Originally posted by Xondar123

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

I could not watch DS9, as I found Sisko repellent. Something in his voice sounded like he was always about to break down crying. My father was like that the last 20 years or so he was alive, and it was mental anguish having any serious conversation with him.

I think I watched about three episodes all the way through. I HAD to watch the tribbles episode, of course.

 

I'm sorry you lack a sense of quality and aesthetics. I hope you find it one day and realize that DS9 is an absolute masterpiece, Star Trek was created so that the work of utter art that is DS9 could one day come into the world.

In other words, DS9 is the very purpose for the existence of Star Trek.

DS9 is my favourite as well, but I don't think anyone who dosn't like it lacks a sense of quality or aesthetics. It just isn't their cup of tea. I didn't like it myself until I checked it out again on DVD. That was when I grew to really enjoy it. My favourite part about it is it dared to question the utopian idealism of the Federation that had been established on TNG.

"It's easy to be a saint in paradise": The Maquis part 2

"The federation is a noble people as long as their belly is full and their holosuites are working.Take away those creature comforts and those same noble federation members can become as brutal and savage as the most blood thirsty klingon."

-the Siege of Ar-(some number)

AR-558

Yeah, DS9 is my favorite but I definitely have much respect for TOS and TNG. On the other hand I have very little respect for Voyager and Enterprise.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Xondar123

Looks like you'll loathe Star Trek Online then.

Edit: DS9 wasn't cancelled by the way.

It's still being made?

It was ended after 7 seasons the same way TNG was, it had a final episode that wrapped up the story lines and everything. "Cancelled" implies a forced ending outside of the planning of the series creators, i.e. what happened to TOS and Enterprise after three and four seasons respectively. A series is not considered to be cancelled if it is ended by the creators purposely.

DS9 ended, it was not cancelled.

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by Xondar123

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

I could not watch DS9, as I found Sisko repellent. Something in his voice sounded like he was always about to break down crying. My father was like that the last 20 years or so he was alive, and it was mental anguish having any serious conversation with him.

I think I watched about three episodes all the way through. I HAD to watch the tribbles episode, of course.

 

I'm sorry you lack a sense of quality and aesthetics. I hope you find it one day and realize that DS9 is an absolute masterpiece, Star Trek was created so that the work of utter art that is DS9 could one day come into the world.

In other words, DS9 is the very purpose for the existence of Star Trek.

 

DS9 is my favourite as well, but I don't think anyone who dosn't like it lacks a sense of quality or aesthetics. It just isn't their cup of tea. I didn't like it myself until I checked it out again on DVD. That was when I grew to really enjoy it. My favourite part about it is it dared to question the utopian idealism of the Federation that had been established on TNG.

"It's easy to be a saint in paradise": The Maquis part 2

"The federation is a noble people as long as their belly is full and their holosuites are working.Take away those creature comforts and those same noble federation members can become as brutal and savage as the most blood thirsty klingon."

-the Siege of Ar-(some number)

I was mainly joking in my post, I understand that not everyone loves DS9, and I do love TOS and TNG (and The Wrath of Khan is probably in my top ten favourite movies) enough to not think that the only reason they existed was so DS9 would exist.

Originally posted by ktanner3

DS9 is my favourite as well, but I don't think anyone who dosn't like it lacks a sense of quality or aesthetics. It just isn't their cup of tea. I didn't like it myself until I checked it out again on DVD. That was when I grew to really enjoy it. My favourite part about it is it dared to question the utopian idealism of the Federation that had been established on TNG.

"It's easy to be a saint in paradise": The Maquis part 2

"The federation is a noble people as long as their belly is full and their holosuites are working.Take away those creature comforts and those same noble federation members can become as brutal and savage as the most blood thirsty klingon."

-the Siege of Ar-(some number)

One of my favorite DS9 scenes is the one where Quark introduces Garak to root beer.  You can read it for yourself here: http://www.fiveminute.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-890.html, just scroll down a bit to get to the good stuff.

Originally posted by Xondar123

It was ended after 7 seasons the same way TNG was, it had a final episode that wrapped up the story lines and everything. "Cancelled" implies a forced ending outside of the planning of the series creators, i.e. what happened to TOS and Enterprise after three and four seasons respectively. A series is not considered to be cancelled if it is ended by the creators purposely.

DS9 ended, it was not cancelled.

Ended is cancelled. For what ever reason.

'Enterprise' had a concluding episode, as well.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Xondar123

It was ended after 7 seasons the same way TNG was, it had a final episode that wrapped up the story lines and everything. "Cancelled" implies a forced ending outside of the planning of the series creators, i.e. what happened to TOS and Enterprise after three and four seasons respectively. A series is not considered to be cancelled if it is ended by the creators purposely.

DS9 ended, it was not cancelled.

Ended is cancelled. For what ever reason.

'Enterprise' had a concluding episode, as well.

I have to agree with this statement. Even if they have ending episodes to wrap stuff up, they are still canceled shows. Look at Stargate and Stargate Atlantis. Stargate sg1 was on for 10 seasons where as atlantis made 5 seasons. They even got atlantis all the way to earth but the show was still canceled. And for what? Stargate Universe? I have to say that I am still on the fence on that show. Its like Lost but in space.

As for me not liking STO, I fully plan on playing it. I dont have the same requirements for MMO's than I do for tv shows. So who knows, I may actually love STO. Only time will tell.

DS9 Season 4

Episode: Rules of Engagement

back in highschool my teacher once told me about an episode that explained the meaning of life...what episode would that be?  I have always wanted to see how star trek defined it...

Originally posted by thafireball

back in highschool my teacher once told me about an episode that explained the meaning of life...what episode would that be?  I have always wanted to see how star trek defined it...

It doesn't ring a bell.

Originally posted by DoomsDay01

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Xondar123

It was ended after 7 seasons the same way TNG was, it had a final episode that wrapped up the story lines and everything. "Cancelled" implies a forced ending outside of the planning of the series creators, i.e. what happened to TOS and Enterprise after three and four seasons respectively. A series is not considered to be cancelled if it is ended by the creators purposely.

DS9 ended, it was not cancelled.

Ended is cancelled. For what ever reason.

'Enterprise' had a concluding episode, as well.

 

I have to agree with this statement. Even if they have ending episodes to wrap stuff up, they are still canceled shows. Look at Stargate and Stargate Atlantis. Stargate sg1 was on for 10 seasons where as atlantis made 5 seasons. They even got atlantis all the way to earth but the show was still canceled. And for what? Stargate Universe? I have to say that I am still on the fence on that show. Its like Lost but in space.

 

As for me not liking STO, I fully plan on playing it. I dont have the same requirements for MMO's than I do for tv shows. So who knows, I may actually love STO. Only time will tell.

The very example you just cited was a show that was ended by the creators ( Stargate SG-1) and a show that was cancelled (Stargate Atlantis.) How can you agree with the statement when the example you gave proves it wrong?

Originally posted by thafireball

back in highschool my teacher once told me about an episode that explained the meaning of life...what episode would that be?  I have always wanted to see how star trek defined it...

That was probably "The Chase" where it is explained that all humaniod life in the galaxy comes from material "seeded" by an ancient race into the oceans of multiple planets. Essentially, humans, Romulans, Klingons, Cardassians, etc. all come from this ancient race.

Originally posted by Xondar123

Originally posted by DoomsDay01

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Xondar123

It was ended after 7 seasons the same way TNG was, it had a final episode that wrapped up the story lines and everything. "Cancelled" implies a forced ending outside of the planning of the series creators, i.e. what happened to TOS and Enterprise after three and four seasons respectively. A series is not considered to be cancelled if it is ended by the creators purposely.

DS9 ended, it was not cancelled.

Ended is cancelled. For what ever reason.

'Enterprise' had a concluding episode, as well.

 

I have to agree with this statement. Even if they have ending episodes to wrap stuff up, they are still canceled shows. Look at Stargate and Stargate Atlantis. Stargate sg1 was on for 10 seasons where as atlantis made 5 seasons. They even got atlantis all the way to earth but the show was still canceled. And for what? Stargate Universe? I have to say that I am still on the fence on that show. Its like Lost but in space.

 

As for me not liking STO, I fully plan on playing it. I dont have the same requirements for MMO's than I do for tv shows. So who knows, I may actually love STO. Only time will tell.

 

The very example you just cited was a show that was ended by the creators ( Stargate SG-1) and a show that was cancelled (Stargate Atlantis.) How can you agree with the statement when the example you gave proves it wrong?

How's this...
 

Both Star Trek and Enterprise are the only Star Trek shows to be canceled before the creators wanted them to be. Does that satisfy everyone?

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Xondar123

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

About 'Balance of Terror'

It is a generally well-made episode, and very popular with many fans, but one thing just spoils the reality of the episode for me.

Can anyone guess what it is?

 

The scene where Spock sings "Yankee Doodle Dandy" while Kirk and McCoy make out? Yeah, that's a horrible scene...

I have never seen the Director's Cut version.

I'm talking about the 'run slient' sequence where everyone on the bridge is trying to be super-quiet and Spock accidentally triggers an alarm.

Sound effects aside, there is no sound in space. There could be putting on a rock show on the bridge, and the Romulans would never hear it.

To be fair (and recognizing the many scientific impossibilities throughout the various series'), the Romulan bridge officer's response to that was "Commander, a signal!"  This seems to suggest that Spock inadventantly activated some peice of equipment or sensor beam that gave away the Enterprise's position, not necessarily the alarm itself.

I thought you'd be more disturbed by the fact the Romulan ship was clearly stated as being impulse powered only.  How could they have even made the trip into Federation space?

Originally posted by tman5

To be fair (and recognizing the many scientific impossibilities throughout the various series'), the Romulan bridge officer's response to that was "Commander, a signal!"  This seems to suggest that Spock inadventantly activated some peice of equipment or sensor beam that gave away the Enterprise's position, not necessarily the alarm itself.

That doesn't explain why they were talking in whispers. That scene was clearly derived from a 'run silent' scene from a submarine movie.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

That doesn't explain why they were talking in whispers. That scene was clearly derived from a 'run silent' scene from a submarine movie.

Good point.  And I agree, it was meant to suggest submarine/destroyer cat 'n mouse.

My list:

TOS
(So many!)
Doomsday Machine
Amok Time
The Naked Time
Enterprise Incident
Turnabout Intruder

TNG
(So many, after the first season)
Yesterday's Enterprise
Best of Both Worlds
Darmok
Measure of a Man

DS9
I like (and dislike) them all about equal, favoring episodes centered on Odo.

VOYAGER
The premier episode, after which I pretty much lost interest
(That one with Sarah Silverman, 'cause she's hawt)

ENTERPRISE
In a Mirror Darkly

MOVIES
Wrath of Khan
Journey Home
First Contact
 

A lot of people forget about the TNG episode "Family".  I really was my favorite, above and beyond even "The Best of Both Worlds."  There really were a lot of great ones, though.  Family stands out to be because it's really one of the only opportunities where we get to see Picard as a human.   He's just been freed from the Borg and realized he's destroyed half of the fleet that he holds to so dearly.  It's great to see him deal with that.  Also the fight between him and his brother brought a little familiarity to the family. 

Like many others, I really disliked DS9, until I watched it again recently.  It does get a bit dark (which I think was the reason I didn't like it in the first place), but I really liked what they did to it.  After all, we do need to remember that Starfleet is a military organization, they're going to get in a few wars here and there.  And as someone else stated, the "lore" (I shudder at using that word, as it's overused and trite) was great.  The long-running storyline really stood out as something that was still Trek, but slightly different.  I still see why a lot of people dislike it though.

Originally posted by Drachasor

Originally posted by Kithca

@ Drachasor:

Yes, but the whole story was also an alternative reality; you can't expect people to be the same.  Take for example the TOS episode Mirror, Mirror; it was a prime example of how alternative realities differ. 

I didn't expect it to be the same.  Just not interested in a "Star Trek" that loses some of the main ideals of the show and/or doesn't make sense.  The ethical aspect of Star Trek is a big reason why I like the show, while I watch other shows with less ethics, I am not going to support a distorted (imho) Star Trek where the ethical component is lost in favor of pew pew.
 

Mirror, Mirror was an excellent example of a very well done alternate universe.  Yeah, they were awful bastards, but there was an ethical point to the story that being awful bastards doesn't pay off in the long run and that alternate Spock should shape up and do something about it.  Very poignant, I thought.

^This

I would have enjoyed the movie much more had it not had the "Star Trek" title and just been passed off as a generic space shoot 'em up.  You slap Star Trek on the title, then I have certain expectations of character, values and themes, few of which appeared in Abrams' version. 

If someone else made a new Star Wars film without reference in any way to The Force.  Would it really be "Star Wars?"

TOS episodes mostly. I like TNG and others but my favs are TOS

Doomsday Machine - Look out! It's the ice cream come of DOOM!

Balance of Terror - Sneaky Romulans.

Operation Annihilate - Giant brain cells from outer space.

Devil in the Dark - Rampaging rock eating monster isn't quite so monster like.

Space Seed - KAHN!

The Immunity Syndrome - Giant space Amoeba just ruining every ones day.

The only movie I really like is Wrath of Khan. Other movies are ok. Some are pretty awful.

Originally posted by MMO-Maniac

TOS episodes mostly. I like TNG and others but my favs are TOS

Doomsday Machine - Look out! It's the ice cream come of DOOM!

This episode actually looks very good in the remastered version.