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Star Trek Online Forum » General Discussion » New KDF content isn't "new"

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  MadDemon64

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5/07/13 12:15:51 PM#21
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Or he could be lying.  Or he could just be claiming that he has already played it before because of the claim that it is recycled content.

Also, things go on the test server to get player feedback.  If they want changes, there is a good chance they will be made if enough people call for them.

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  AG-Vuk

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5/07/13 4:30:25 PM#22
I've played on plenty of subscriber test servers , such as tribble. I've played on Tribble as well. Cryptic takes very little feedback from the player base and changes it. In fact they are notorious for changing nothing on test then releasing it live. I've seen massive thread with bugs and nothing changes , so you can put those fantasies away that Cryptic actually pays attention. Usually they change something if it's a really serious problem after the update goes live. I've played on 2 Cryptic test servers and it's extremely frustrating.

  Valoreah

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OP  5/14/13 3:48:51 PM#23
Originally posted by GR3NDEL
Originally posted by Valoreah

 



Originally posted by GR3NDEL

 

So does this mean that you won't play it?


 

I already have. It's recycled content. That's the point. ;)

Dodging the question I see.  That's fine.

No, I didn't dodge your question.  The screen caps are from an existing Federation mission that I've already played which is getting a dialogue tweak to work for the KDF.  It's a recycled mission, no matter how you slice it.  No, I won't play through this one again.  Personally, I'm looking forward to the new (as in not recycled) content.

  MadDemon64

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5/14/13 5:10:35 PM#24
Originally posted by Valoreah
Originally posted by GR3NDEL
Originally posted by Valoreah

 



Originally posted by GR3NDEL

 

So does this mean that you won't play it?


 

I already have. It's recycled content. That's the point. ;)

Dodging the question I see.  That's fine.

No, I didn't dodge your question.  The screen caps are from an existing Federation mission that I've already played which is getting a dialogue tweak to work for the KDF.  It's a recycled mission, no matter how you slice it.  No, I won't play through this one again.  Personally, I'm looking forward to the new (as in not recycled) content.

So, you know its recycled content from seeing a small amount of screencaps, and will not be willing to play through it to see if you are correct?

Riiiight, because knowing a mission is exactly the same as another mission with only dialogue being tweaked is totally dooable from seeing only a fraction of a fraction of the mission and not actually trying it.  

I'm also going to guess you think next to none of the content the expansion is new and that almost all of it is recycled, w

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  Valoreah

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OP  5/15/13 7:40:32 AM#25


Originally posted by MadDemon64

So, you know its recycled content from seeing a small amount of screencaps, and will not be willing to play through it to see if you are correct?


No, I know it's recycled content because I've seen it for myself on the test server. Anyone who didn't have access to the closed BETA can cleary see what the mission in from the screen caps and by reading the linked post.



I'm also going to guess you think next to none of the content the expansion is new and that almost all of it is recycled, w
 

No, not at all actually. Quite the opposite. The new Romulan content is some of the best Cryptic has done so far and I am looking forward to it. I've said as much. My post was about the "new" content for the KDF. While that is true to a degree (eg. a new tutorial and some lower level missions), there is also a lot of recycled content. There are people out there who were under the impression that the KDF was also getting brand new level 1 to 50 content.

  MadDemon64

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5/15/13 7:50:37 AM#26
Originally posted by Valoreah

 


 

Originally posted by MadDemon64

So, you know its recycled content from seeing a small amount of screencaps, and will not be willing to play through it to see if you are correct?


 

No, I know it's recycled content because I've seen it for myself on the test server. Anyone who didn't have access to the closed BETA can cleary see what the mission in from the screen caps and by reading the linked post.

You do realize that sometimes stuff that is being tested is merely placeholder stuff, and that the final product might not be recycled at all, right?

 

Originally posted by Valoreah
I'm also going to guess you think next to none of the content the expansion is new and that almost all of it is recycled, w
 

No, not at all actually. Quite the opposite. The new Romulan content is some of the best Cryptic has done so far and I am looking forward to it. I've said as much. My post was about the "new" content for the KDF. While that is true to a degree (eg. a new tutorial and some lower level missions), there is also a lot of recycled content. There are people out there who were under the impression that the KDF was also getting brand new level 1 to 50 content.

 

Ah, well, ok then.

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  Doogiehowser

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5/15/13 7:57:04 AM#27
Originally posted by ktanner3
What do you expect from a low population game that makes it's living off a cash shop? 

STO is anything but low population. When was the last time you played the game?

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  Valoreah

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OP  5/15/13 9:07:11 AM#28


Originally posted by MadDemon64

You do realize that sometimes stuff that is being tested is merely placeholder stuff, and that the final product might not be recycled at all, right?


 

Sure. I don't see that being the case here as it's too late for major changes before release.

  MadDemon64

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5/15/13 9:12:48 AM#29
Originally posted by Valoreah

 


 

Originally posted by MadDemon64

You do realize that sometimes stuff that is being tested is merely placeholder stuff, and that the final product might not be recycled at all, right?


 

 

Sure. I don't see that being the case here as it's too late for major changes before release.

Unless they were working on the non-placeholder stuff well in advance.

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  Valoreah

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OP  5/15/13 11:05:02 AM#30


Originally posted by MadDemon64

Unless they were working on the non-placeholder stuff well in advance.


 

Doubtful at this stage since they are a week away from launch. From what I've seen/tested, the main focus was on the new Romulan story content. They save time/money/resources by recycling content for the KDF and trying to sell it as "new".

  MadDemon64

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5/15/13 2:13:49 PM#31
Originally posted by Valoreah

 


 

Originally posted by MadDemon64

Unless they were working on the non-placeholder stuff well in advance.


 

 

Doubtful at this stage since they are a week away from launch. From what I've seen/tested, the main focus was on the new Romulan story content. They save time/money/resources by recycling content for the KDF and trying to sell it as "new".

Well then, I am sure you have plenty of photographs and side by side comparisons to prove your position.

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  Valoreah

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OP  5/15/13 3:29:23 PM#32


Originally posted by MadDemon64

Well then, I am sure you have plenty of photographs and side by side comparisons to prove your position.


 

No offense, but your comment is a bit stupid to be honest. The same could be asked of you. Go hop on the open BETA on Tribble and show everyone the screen caps of this new content that's coming in less than a week that isn't on the test server yet. Again, they're less than a week away from launch. The chances of Cryptic magically coming up with a boatload of episodic mission content to replace all the "placeholder" content they've put time into is slim to none.

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5/15/13 3:54:43 PM#33
Originally posted by Valoreah

Just recycled Federation content....  I was hoping this wouldn't be the case, but it looks like Cryptic is staying true to form.  I have a feeling the "new" Romulan content will mostly be recycled Federation missions as well.  

 

LoR is exciting me less and less the more I read about it.

 

I'm sorry but 90% of all faction based content from mmorpg to mmorpg is nothing more than fetch, escort, kill and defend quest with hot swap dialog for that particular faction's point of view. Locations and mobs are rarely different from beginning to end. If you're expecting a completely unique experience from 1 to max then you'd best to stop right now. WoW, Rift, Aion, Terra...hell ALL theme park mmorpgs tend to funnel players into the exact same content once they hit a certain level. This is nothing new for most mmorpg players but obviously it seems new to you... 

 

Expecting this from a AAA P2P mmo is one thing, but expecting it from a F2P mmo.....come on now.


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  Valoreah

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OP  5/16/13 10:19:44 AM#34

 


 

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There are screen caps shown in the original linked post. If you've no access to the test server and have never play tested any of the content there, you've no idea what you're talking about.

  MadDemon64

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5/16/13 10:40:07 AM#35
Originally posted by Valoreah

 


 

Originally posted by MadDemon64

Sorry, no access to Tribble server.  Looks like it is up to you to provide screencaps to prove your point.  After all, you have experienced it all already; should be easy for you to find the parts that prove your point and screenshot them.


 

 

There are screen caps shown in the original linked post. If you've no access to the test server and have never play tested any of the content there, you've no idea what you're talking about.

Right, the person who refuses to post their own screenshots showing a side by side comparison that would prove that they are the same mission, knows more than the person who knows that no proof = no argument.

 

And I have seen the original post.  Its just a screenshot of the mission and the claim that it is the same mission, without showing a comparison picture that proves that they are the same mission.  Their argument and way they go about making it has the same flaws as yours.  Also, I think he changes his opinion about it several comments into the thread.

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  Valoreah

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OP  5/16/13 1:59:18 PM#36


Originally posted by MadDemon64

Right, the person who refuses to post their own screenshots showing a side by side comparison that would prove that they are the same mission, knows more than the person who knows that no proof = no argument.


 

You're more than capable of logging on to the test server now and seeing for yourself.

  MadDemon64

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5/16/13 2:44:19 PM#37
Originally posted by Valoreah

 


 

Originally posted by MadDemon64

Right, the person who refuses to post their own screenshots showing a side by side comparison that would prove that they are the same mission, knows more than the person who knows that no proof = no argument.


 

 

You're more than capable of logging on to the test server now and seeing for yourself.

No I am not.  I have never been able.  I have tried multiple times, and it has never worked.

Ever.

Afraid you are on your own here if you want to prove yourself correct.

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  AG-Vuk

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5/16/13 3:31:43 PM#38
I guess that means you'll need to wait until it's released to eat crow. One of the reasons I despise Cryptic is that they are extremely lazy as far as Devs go and hardly even attempt to hide it.

  Valoreah

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OP  5/17/13 9:20:34 AM#39


Originally posted by MadDemon64

No I am not.  I have never been able.  I have tried multiple times, and it has never worked. Ever. Afraid you are on your own here if you want to prove yourself correct.


 

There's really no difference between logging on to Tribble or Holodeck. It's the same launcher. Just select Tribble from the server list, patch it up and log in. You can also patch up NW, CO or STO from the launcher... unless you really don't play STO or any Cryptic games.

  MadDemon64

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5/17/13 12:04:59 PM#40
Originally posted by Valoreah

 


 

Originally posted by MadDemon64

No I am not.  I have never been able.  I have tried multiple times, and it has never worked. Ever. Afraid you are on your own here if you want to prove yourself correct.


 

 

There's really no difference between logging on to Tribble or Holodeck. It's the same launcher. Just select Tribble from the server list, patch it up and log in. You can also patch up NW, CO or STO from the launcher... unless you really don't play STO or any Cryptic games.

I have tried that in the past, and it has never let me access the test servers.  I seriously don't know why.

But why do you doubt my playing STO or Cryptic games?  I actually talk about them and get my facts right 90% of the time, unlike some other people I can name on these forums.

Since when is Tuesday a direction?

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