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What a frustrating game this is. 10 Fails on a Level 15 Armor. not even +1 :(

How can a game be made so frustrating ?? Best do not invest any real life money into this game, its only a huge dissapointment.. 

no wonder so many people left to Perfect World or Rappelz

I am done with this game...

This game is a ripoff. Sorry you had to find out the hard way.

Originally posted by caelach

This game is a ripoff. Sorry you had to find out the hard way.

I'm still having fun and I haven't paid a cent.  I'm playing at exactly the speed that I want, too.  As such, i don't feel that I've been ripped off in any way, shape or form.

~Ripper

Crappy link btw.

As for 10 fails, you're kidding right? If you gave up that easily you definitely don't want to play anything like RoM.

The vender Jewels are a "chance" to upgrade & as such there is no guarantee of success, 10 fails with in-game jewels i.e. not from the item shop, is nothing, these have a low success rate & a high chance of failure, this acts as a gold sink.

Getting to +1 is entirely random, you can get that off the first jewel or it can take as many as 80 or more if unlucky.

Getting +2 on a 44 blue robe took me 350 jewels, & that's not even the worst I've heard of, if you use item shop jewels then you get much better success & lower fails & fails are less likely to drop the quality, getting to +4 is quite easy with item shop jewels, +6 however is not easy, you either accept +4 or "chase" +6.

I find the game very enjoyable, & would recommend t to friends, but it isn't without it's issues, & jewels are one of the minor ones.

The game doesn't have the significance to be a big deal if you leave the game. It's f2p, anyone jumps on and off.
But, leaving for Perfect World and Rappelz? I think PW was being played earlier with Rappelz much earlier and they are also f2p.
Anyways better luck next time.

The crafting is a bit of a hassle.  I'm still enjoying this game.  It's easy to grasp and fits within my schedule perfectly.  While this certainly isn't the Messiah of MMOs, I think it may set the bar for future F2P's (most of which are disappointing scams).

Plan to spend, on average, 100k to get a piece of armor to +2.

I've had an occasional unlucky streak of 10+ failures in a row with the vender jewels, but they are very rare.  A bit frustrating, but meh it's only gold.  I've also had the opposite scenario where I'll get +2 from just 2 tries.  So it balances out as far as I'm concerned.

Originally posted by rhinok

Originally posted by caelach

This game is a ripoff. Sorry you had to find out the hard way.

I'm still having fun and I haven't paid a cent.  I'm playing at exactly the speed that I want, too.  As such, i don't feel that I've been ripped off in any way, shape or form.

~Ripper

I am glad you have experienced this game unscathed. I hope others heed your words and find some enjoyment with this. Of course if everybody were like you they would be shut down rather quickly. They need to ripoff somebody to keep going.

Or you could pay for 20 cash shop jewels, which I gave to my son and he managed to create one level 6 item, 1 level 4 and 2 level 3's.

I tried the same (higher tier though) and ended up with nothing better than a couple of level 3's.

But I always did suck when it came to dice rolls.

The cash shop jewels are the biggest ripoff in the entire game. If you want to argue that, just go look up to 20 and 18 page threads that got locked and buried on the forums by Icarii. He knows damn well it's an issue with the players and closes it every time it pops up with the "we are looking into it: nonsense.

In fact, Icarii is quite the moron on the forums. I love how he will lock posts and move them if they have anything negative but stickies the ones with a stupid positive comment. The game won't last anywhere near as long as others have because they are greedy and it's obvious.

Originally posted by Dryden23

The cash shop jewels are the biggest ripoff in the entire game. If you want to argue that, just go look up to 20 and 18 page threads that got locked and buried on the forums by Icarii. He knows damn well it's an issue with the players and closes it every time it pops up with the "we are looking into it: nonsense.

In fact, Icarii is quite the moron on the forums. I love how he will lock posts and move them if they have anything negative but stickies the ones with a stupid positive comment. The game won't last anywhere near as long as others have because they are greedy and it's obvious.

There's an applicable adage from business that fits here which is, "You get what you pay for." If you paid no real money then what are you complaining about? The company isn't obligated to serve you since you're not, by definition, a customer. A customer spends real money and a company makes every effort to ensure their customers are valued.

On a company forum, the company is the one that sets what is acceptable or not to their corporate image. If negative comments aren't constructive and serve to fuel a flame war then I'd expect them to lock the threads. Your opinion about the contents of said threads is entirely subjective and not shared by everyone which makes them subjective. Also, you do not have the right to expression on private property. The right is only applicable when you are on your own property, public, or government property in the United States. If someone was in my house talking like I've seen some of the flame threads on Frogster's forum you can bet your bottom dollar someone is going to be kicked out. I can guarantee you it won't be me.

Originally posted by ThePatriot76

Originally posted by Dryden23

The cash shop jewels are the biggest ripoff in the entire game. If you want to argue that, just go look up to 20 and 18 page threads that got locked and buried on the forums by Icarii. He knows damn well it's an issue with the players and closes it every time it pops up with the "we are looking into it: nonsense.

In fact, Icarii is quite the moron on the forums. I love how he will lock posts and move them if they have anything negative but stickies the ones with a stupid positive comment. The game won't last anywhere near as long as others have because they are greedy and it's obvious.

 

There's an applicable adage from business that fits here which is, "You get what you pay for." If you paid no real money then what are you complaining about? The company isn't obligated to serve you since you're not, by definition, a customer. A customer spends real money and a company makes every effort to ensure their customers are valued.

On a company forum, the company is the one that sets what is acceptable or not to their corporate image. If negative comments aren't constructive and serve to fuel a flame war then I'd expect them to lock the threads. Your opinion about the contents of said threads is entirely subjective and not shared by everyone which makes them subjective. Also, you do not have the right to expression on private property. The right is only applicable when you are on your own property, public, or government property in the United States. If someone was in my house talking like I've seen some of the flame threads on Frogster's forum you can bet your bottom dollar someone is going to be kicked out. I can guarantee you it won't be me.

Considering many people buy diamonds with real money in order to buy the upgrade items, they are paying customers.  So, in essence, your first statement holds no merit.

Regarding the moderation on forums, the stress level of the customers has risen over time to the point of being hostile due to the lack of any real communication from the company.  RoM's forums are their property, however, they have given registered members access to these forums to express their views.  Even when solid suggestions are given, many times, the threads are closed and get burried.  So, from your stand point, how are the paying customers supposed to let the company know that there are issues?

Originally posted by Zyrena

Originally posted by ThePatriot76

Originally posted by Dryden23

The cash shop jewels are the biggest ripoff in the entire game. If you want to argue that, just go look up to 20 and 18 page threads that got locked and buried on the forums by Icarii. He knows damn well it's an issue with the players and closes it every time it pops up with the "we are looking into it: nonsense.

In fact, Icarii is quite the moron on the forums. I love how he will lock posts and move them if they have anything negative but stickies the ones with a stupid positive comment. The game won't last anywhere near as long as others have because they are greedy and it's obvious.

 

There's an applicable adage from business that fits here which is, "You get what you pay for." If you paid no real money then what are you complaining about? The company isn't obligated to serve you since you're not, by definition, a customer. A customer spends real money and a company makes every effort to ensure their customers are valued.

On a company forum, the company is the one that sets what is acceptable or not to their corporate image. If negative comments aren't constructive and serve to fuel a flame war then I'd expect them to lock the threads. Your opinion about the contents of said threads is entirely subjective and not shared by everyone which makes them subjective. Also, you do not have the right to expression on private property. The right is only applicable when you are on your own property, public, or government property in the United States. If someone was in my house talking like I've seen some of the flame threads on Frogster's forum you can bet your bottom dollar someone is going to be kicked out. I can guarantee you it won't be me.

 

Considering many people buy diamonds with real money in order to buy the upgrade items, they are paying customers.  So, in essence, your first statement holds no merit.

Regarding the moderation on forums, the stress level of the customers has risen over time to the point of being hostile due to the lack of any real communication from the company.  RoM's forums are their property, however, they have given registered members access to these forums to express their views.  Even when solid suggestions are given, many times, the threads are closed and get burried.  So, from your stand point, how are the paying customers supposed to let the company know that there are issues?

Let me point out that my first paragraph was in response to someone complaining about the cash shop. I essentially said the same thing you did in that you have to pay with real money to considered a customer by the definition of customer. So in essence, my first statement is quite true. His complaint was that spending in game gold for the vendor stones and upgrades was inferior to having bought the same items from the cash shop. Did he spend money for the gold to purchase the items for upgrades? No, he didn't since he used in game gold. Hence, he got what he paid for with real money which is nothing and got an inferior product. If he paid real money for the diamonds to buy the upgrades and they had the failure rates as high as the regular vendor stuff the company wouldn't have very many people spending money for diamonds. In a nutshell, if you have paid nothing then you should expect to not get the same level of product as those that did. You truly get what you paid for.

If this is how they decide to operate then they have every right to lock/delete threads they see fit. It is their property. Imagine if you will, a group of people show up at your offices and got as belligerent as some of the threads I've seen. Would you as an the manager/owner of the company allow them to harass your employees and disrupt your business?

Originally posted by ThePatriot76

Let me point out that my first paragraph was in response to someone complaining about the cash shop. I essentially said the same thing you did in that you have to pay with real money to considered a customer by the definition of customer. So in essence, my first statement is quite true. His complaint was that spending in game gold for the vendor stones and upgrades was inferior to having bought the same items from the cash shop. Did he spend money for the gold to purchase the items for upgrades? No, he didn't since he used in game gold. Hence, he got what he paid for with real money which is nothing and got an inferior product. If he paid real money for the diamonds to buy the upgrades and they had the failure rates as high as the regular vendor stuff the company wouldn't have very many people spending money for diamonds. In a nutshell, if you have paid nothing then you should expect to not get the same level of product as those that did. You truly get what you paid for.

 

If this is how they decide to operate then they have every right to lock/delete threads they see fit. It is their property. Imagine if you will, a group of people show up at your offices and got as belligerent as some of the threads I've seen. Would you as an the manager/owner of the company allow them to harass your employees and disrupt your business?

Actually, Patriot, I've played a few MMOs with Dryden23. I know for a fact he spent real money on the game.  The gold bought upgrade items are only good to +2 an item.  Any further than that, you're looking at spending money on diamonds (or getting lucky and finding them at a decent price on the AH).  Basically, the failure rate on said items is terrible.  This goes for both types you buy.  If you personally have had great luck with the upgrade items, congratulations.  If you have had luck like me or many others that I know, you would be irritated and disappointed.

With your constant RL references... if you as a paying customer went into a store and said "Hey, I really don't like how your customer service department is handling things.  Would you look into it and see if there's some room for improvement?", and then said company kicked you out of their store, how would you react?

Originally posted by Zyrena

Originally posted by ThePatriot76

Let me point out that my first paragraph was in response to someone complaining about the cash shop. I essentially said the same thing you did in that you have to pay with real money to considered a customer by the definition of customer. So in essence, my first statement is quite true. His complaint was that spending in game gold for the vendor stones and upgrades was inferior to having bought the same items from the cash shop. Did he spend money for the gold to purchase the items for upgrades? No, he didn't since he used in game gold. Hence, he got what he paid for with real money which is nothing and got an inferior product. If he paid real money for the diamonds to buy the upgrades and they had the failure rates as high as the regular vendor stuff the company wouldn't have very many people spending money for diamonds. In a nutshell, if you have paid nothing then you should expect to not get the same level of product as those that did. You truly get what you paid for.

 

If this is how they decide to operate then they have every right to lock/delete threads they see fit. It is their property. Imagine if you will, a group of people show up at your offices and got as belligerent as some of the threads I've seen. Would you as an the manager/owner of the company allow them to harass your employees and disrupt your business?

 

Actually, Patriot, I've played a few MMOs with Dryden23. I know for a fact he spent real money on the game.  The gold bought upgrade items are only good to +2 an item.  Any further than that, you're looking at spending money on diamonds (or getting lucky and finding them at a decent price on the AH).  Basically, the failure rate on said items is terrible.  This goes for both types you buy.  If you personally have had great luck with the upgrade items, congratulations.  If you have had luck like me or many others that I know, you would be irritated and disappointed.

 

With your constant RL references... if you as a paying customer went into a store and said "Hey, I really don't like how your customer service department is handling things.  Would you look into it and see if there's some room for improvement?", and then said company kicked you out of their store, how would you react?

I can understand the frustration if that is how they are in the game.

If phrased like that the majority of companies would not throw you out of the building. If you acted in a manner that is unprofessional and insulting I would support the throwing out of individuals. It's a matter of how, you as a customer, approach the problem with the company.

Originally posted by Portland

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What a frustrating game this is. 10 Fails on a Level 15 Armor. not even +1 :(

 

How can a game be made so frustrating ?? Best do not invest any real life money into this game, its only a huge dissapointment.. 

 

no wonder so many people left to Perfect World or Rappelz

 

I am done with this game...

why do you think they sell failsafe item a store  its for this exact reason

all the major issue poeple say  are often wrong

when they say x thing is wrong

often there is a workaround solution in store

anyway at low level you change equipement so  often its not worth it to upgrade

but i believe its worth it to raise mana stone or whats not without installing them why

geting to t8 is a long process if you dont raise the gem you get you might have to farm a lot

and there are plenty of site that list ingredient needed for x,y,z  mana stone

its very complex yes or at least very  long

take gathering proffession its not hard but its long if you dont start early and level it at the same time as you level your toon

you will be farming a lot at end game

most that complain about this game wonth put 15 $ a month

im sorry but in any game be it f2p or p2p

it cost this

initial cost :buying the game p2p :from 40 to 80 $

                                                    f2p   :from 40 to 80$

oh most will say we dont need to buy f2p,maybe not but the game is design that if yhou dont spend the same as p2p

model,if you try to bypass the initial cost in f2p oh you might do it but you ll grind a lot and be frustrated a lot

same for monthly fee  in p2p its from  10$ to 20$ a month

                                            f2p   its from   10 to 20$  a month

so basicly it cost same thing to p2p or f2p  what make f2p model nice is the fact that you can enjoy the game a bit more

then p2p ,but once you know you love the game

f2p will still cost this to have fun initial cost:from 40 to 80$

                                                        monthly fee  from 10 to 20$

so stop posting false info about various issue that when you upgrade it fail ,they got item at store that dont fail

same for mount they got permanaent mount

you need more tp while leveling they sell furniture to boost tp generation

read what they sell and they do special everyday of the week on various item

go ask blizzard to play their game for free  for a  year without buying all expension or orginal wow plus monthly fee

they flatly say no

in f2p they dont say no ,you can play the game but they make its so frustrating that you see after a while it cost the same in f2p

or p2p its just different model,oh kids have the time ,play the patience game f2p use .most adult wont bother

they ll buy biggest diamond package to start then with 10 to 20$ a month they ll fill in for their  need

of other stuff as it come last thing f2p are still better then p2p when was the last time you played for extended time a p2p

you get 14 or 21 day trial then you have to buy the game plus monthly fee lol,right then and there

Originally posted by caelach

This game is a ripoff. Sorry you had to find out the hard way.

How can a game that's fee and optional to play be called a "ripoff?"  LOL!

I'm playing it and it's actually one of the better F2P games I've tried...and I'm no fan of them.  But what the hell, it's free, I have it on my HD if I ever get bored, and if you don't take it too seriously it's not bad.

I'm sorry about the frustration but there's no reason to come on a forum and start talking about your problem... what i did was i send in a contact about a problem and they nicely responded back... give it a try and send in your contact!

bla bla bla bla bla........ 

Originally posted by ThePatriot76

Originally posted by Dryden23

The cash shop jewels are the biggest ripoff in the entire game. If you want to argue that, just go look up to 20 and 18 page threads that got locked and buried on the forums by Icarii. He knows damn well it's an issue with the players and closes it every time it pops up with the "we are looking into it: nonsense.

In fact, Icarii is quite the moron on the forums. I love how he will lock posts and move them if they have anything negative but stickies the ones with a stupid positive comment. The game won't last anywhere near as long as others have because they are greedy and it's obvious.

 

There's an applicable adage from business that fits here which is, "You get what you pay for." If you paid no real money then what are you complaining about? The company isn't obligated to serve you since you're not, by definition, a customer. A customer spends real money and a company makes every effort to ensure their customers are valued.

On a company forum, the company is the one that sets what is acceptable or not to their corporate image. If negative comments aren't constructive and serve to fuel a flame war then I'd expect them to lock the threads. Your opinion about the contents of said threads is entirely subjective and not shared by everyone which makes them subjective. Also, you do not have the right to expression on private property. The right is only applicable when you are on your own property, public, or government property in the United States. If someone was in my house talking like I've seen some of the flame threads on Frogster's forum you can bet your bottom dollar someone is going to be kicked out. I can guarantee you it won't be me.

Obviously you fail to read. I am talking about the PAID for (Cash shop since you are dense) gems, as is the 18 and 20 page threads on their forums. So before you go spouting off that which you know nothing about, crawl back into the gutter. I have stopped spending money on RoM because of these very gems....I have also recently quit due to the absolutely horrible customer service and lack of anything to do at 50 once every single instance has been run until your eyes bleed.

Frogster is a scam company set up to rip of people and make a quick buck. Defend them all you want. I can assure you everyone will leave with that WTF did I just spend money on feeling when they see this trash for what it is.

 I do not want to read alot so i will just say this i have to agree with some people here the company isnt very good the upgradings system is just terrible.I have never seen worse i have seen people spend hundreds or thousand(s) on this game upgrading their items to be L337 i find it disgusting.Read several posts about how the company is scamming people of their money.Yes this game deserbs the nickname runes of frustration especially since it lags horribly for me.

You were just very unlucky?

Originally posted by Dryden23

Originally posted by ThePatriot76

Originally posted by Dryden23

The cash shop jewels are the biggest ripoff in the entire game. If you want to argue that, just go look up to 20 and 18 page threads that got locked and buried on the forums by Icarii. He knows damn well it's an issue with the players and closes it every time it pops up with the "we are looking into it: nonsense.

In fact, Icarii is quite the moron on the forums. I love how he will lock posts and move them if they have anything negative but stickies the ones with a stupid positive comment. The game won't last anywhere near as long as others have because they are greedy and it's obvious.

 

There's an applicable adage from business that fits here which is, "You get what you pay for." If you paid no real money then what are you complaining about? The company isn't obligated to serve you since you're not, by definition, a customer. A customer spends real money and a company makes every effort to ensure their customers are valued.

On a company forum, the company is the one that sets what is acceptable or not to their corporate image. If negative comments aren't constructive and serve to fuel a flame war then I'd expect them to lock the threads. Your opinion about the contents of said threads is entirely subjective and not shared by everyone which makes them subjective. Also, you do not have the right to expression on private property. The right is only applicable when you are on your own property, public, or government property in the United States. If someone was in my house talking like I've seen some of the flame threads on Frogster's forum you can bet your bottom dollar someone is going to be kicked out. I can guarantee you it won't be me.

 

Obviously you fail to read. I am talking about the PAID for (Cash shop since you are dense) gems, as is the 18 and 20 page threads on their forums. So before you go spouting off that which you know nothing about, crawl back into the gutter. I have stopped spending money on RoM because of these very gems....I have also recently quit due to the absolutely horrible customer service and lack of anything to do at 50 once every single instance has been run until your eyes bleed.

Frogster is a scam company set up to rip of people and make a quick buck. Defend them all you want. I can assure you everyone will leave with that WTF did I just spend money on feeling when they see this trash for what it is.

Very very well said Sir.

I agree wholeheartedly with everything you say. Yet my attempts to warn people not to get swept up in the moment and be very wary about spending in the cash shop are met with scorn and disdain by certain posters here. That's okay. I'm just hoping my efforts to warn people helps a few avoid putting good money into something they will eventually regret.

If Frogster is as disingenuous as you and I believe, I can only wonder if some of these "defenders" are actually persons officially associated with ROM in some way. I'm sure not all are. It's not difficult for a Frogster employee to make a couple fake accounts and come here and defend the game tooth and nail. If I were as unscrupulous as they seem with their cash shop ripoff, making fake accounts in this forum to defend and endorse this game would seem an obvious tactic to enhance the prospects for making money to me. I'm just a bit taken aback at how vehemently some folks defend this endeavor, which seems obviously a ripoff to so many others.

So you spend real money for an item that may or may not do a particular thing and when it doesn't you complain? Would you also complain if a slot machine didn't give you the jackpot? This is how RMT MMOs work and this is also why you don't buy anything unlessyou know it is going give you 100% satisfaction.

RMT MMOs play off the feeling that players  have to have the best uber gear and level quickly. These companies realize that if they sell items that appeal to a players need to be better than the next guy then they will have a steady cash flow. So if they make an item that may or may not make your gear better and get cash for then they know people will buy it becasue player are greedy. Sorry but RMT MMOs are not the only companies that do this and if you gamble the house will always win.

This is not a scam. A scam would be if you purchased an in game item that had certain qaulities on the web site and then had lesser qaulities when you recieved the item. This is a business model to support a free game.

Some people shouldn't play F2P MMOs with RMT because when they feel they have been taken advantage of then they come here and complain and every other player who feels they got burned by another RMT MMO agree with them and all the players who haven't because they play for a different reason other than leveling fast or having uber PVP gear disagree with them.