DC Universe Forum » General Discussion raquo; Now its just like all of the other SOE games - A WoW Clone

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patrikd23 Advanced Member Joined: 10/17/04 Posts: 1176 Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.	1/20/09 10:08:18 AM#26 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) As long as its a good clone I dont care :)
Solude Novice Member Joined: 5/23/08 Posts: 695	1/20/09 10:16:14 AM#27 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Abandon != Clone It won't be a WoW clone, its looking to be a Champion's Online clone. != means 'not equal to' ;)
User Deleted	1/20/09 11:48:22 AM#28 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Rhoklaw Originally posted by JestorRodo From: news.softpedia.com/news/DC-Universe-Online-Ditches-Classes-Introduces-Stances-102082.shtml The big reveal related to the way the super hero MMO will work is that traditional party roles, which have made their way into MMOs coming from the Dungeons & Dragons ( they mean WoW) ( you mean EQ? Yes, any intelligent person knows, the chicken came before the egg. ) But if you are going to make an Omelet you are going to break a few eggs - Which SOE did to all of their standing MMOS to try to compete with WoW , problem is that they forgot the customers while they did it and what occurred after was a far cry from a perfect Omelet but customers did "scramble" afterwards. background, are being abandoned in favor of a new approach based on “stances.” Basically, all characters can adopt an offensive stance, becoming a DPS class, a defensive stance, becoming a tank, or a support stance, which fits neatly into the role played by the healer class. This will give DC Universe Online a new level of flexibility in the creation of groups and parties.
Elikal Spotlight Poster Joined: 2/09/06 Posts: 5607	1/24/09 3:45:04 AM#29 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) First, I pointed to my post because of lazyness, nothing else. Second, in short, it has become a kind of doomsaying sport to say "WOW CLONE". Its like "Jehova" from Monty Pythons Life of Brian. You calculate so and so many people will hate game X and when you say game X is a WOW clone, you have bashed it hard enough. Essentially it says nothing. First, I think few games on the higher agenda are LESS Wow-like than DCU, at least so far we see. Sure, any MMO has some similarities to any other, but that far away perspective doesnt really say anything substatial. Maybe you critizise concrete features, and about that we just dont know so much detail to really, finally say if DCU will or will not be good. But alone the ridiculous trolling "SOE and WOW" - two mindless catchphrases in one title, thats some accomplishment. So its the EEEEEVIL SOE, and the EEEEEVIL WOW. Hey, here is the newsflash: WOW was not an SOE game. The entire way to bash a game we hardly now enough facts about with such stereotypical, totally overused comparisions is so... gross. Citing these two catchphrases is counting on the pavlov reflex of badmouthing a game without the need of actually saying anthing. Great job.
charlespayne Advanced Member Joined: 1/17/05 Posts: 306	1/26/09 3:27:23 AM#30 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Just so people know and im fed up of hearing this, Wow is a everquest clone seeming wow wasent even thought of when everquest came out, So next time a new mmo comes out and you think it is a wow clone, just remember that wow is a SOE clone. http://www.minerwars.com/?aid=YOUR_USER_ID
fyerwall Novice Member Joined: 6/01/04 Posts: 2653	1/26/09 3:34:56 AM#31 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Sadly I think anything Rodo sees SOE making will be a WoW clone in his eyes. Hell, any game that isnt a Pre-CU SWG for that matter. There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
User Deleted	1/26/09 4:38:06 PM#32 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by fyerwall Sadly I think anything Rodo sees SOE making will be a WoW clone in his eyes. Hell, any game that isnt a Pre-CU SWG for that matter. /HIFIVE Fyerwall - Don't be sad , be glad and put on a happy face. No really , DC Universe is the second big well known franchise that SOE has got their hands on. I am just going on their track record with the first one which they attempted twice to be more like WoW. You can't blame me to be cautious , as we all should be.
Ekibiogami Apprentice Member Joined: 11/22/06 Posts: 3009 Grammatically Retarded.	2/05/09 2:35:24 AM#33 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Wow clone? No Dumbed Down? yes. Honestly tho... How the hell would you make a sandbox, Or Indepth Super hero game anyways??? CoX sure as hell wasent all that Deep... It was good Dont get me Wrong But Deep it was not :P That said I think all soe has to do Is sneeze and it will be Deeper and more filling than Wow ever was... As long as it has some sort of crafting, Loot, and Money/ market. then It will do just fine. Something CoX was Missing at launch... But it would be Nice to see Some diffrance in beeing a Hero and a villan If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. —Samuel Adams
theJexster Novice Member Joined: 7/01/08 Posts: 120	2/06/09 5:31:55 PM#34 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) the WOWeffect strikes again. CLONED
Buko Novice Member Joined: 7/02/06 Posts: 62	2/06/09 5:38:08 PM#35 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Just remember, there were no MMORPG's prior to WoW. Henceforth, everything is a WoW clone.
Loke666 Elite Member Joined: 10/29/07 Posts: 11755	2/06/09 6:06:12 PM#36 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by JestorRodo The big reveal related to the way the super hero MMO will work is that traditional party roles, which have made their way into MMOs coming from the Dungeons & Dragons ( they mean WoW) background, are being abandoned in favor of a new approach based on “stances.” No they don't. Wow and EQ stole almost everything from Dungeons and Dragons. Wow was even far from the first game that stole it. Of course D&D stole a lot from Howard and Tolkien themselves but that is besides the point.
sookster54 Apprentice Member Joined: 10/13/07 Posts: 1514	2/07/09 12:30:23 PM#37 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Gravarg It's nothing like WoW, but it's still an SOE game, so prepare your backside for a rough ride I don't like being ripped off by the games I play. I gave SOE 3 tries with EQ, SWG, and EQ2, and they won't get anymore tries from me. QFE on this, the fact that DCU has several ex-NGE devs (Blixtev, rogue5, Helios, etc.), I'm not going to touch it with a 20 ft pole. Does it look like a WoW clone? No I don't think so, on the PC platform it'll compete with Champions Online however I don't think it'll gain as many players as the XBox and PS3 fanbase will. Let time tell how this and CO develops (CO is due out in 2+ months and I hear it isn't even close to release ready) but if CO looks worth getting then I'm getting it for my XBox 360. No more SOE (and Sony) products in my house! R.I.P. SWG June 26, 2003-Dec 15, 2011 (it already died on Nov 15, 2005)
sookster54 Apprentice Member Joined: 10/13/07 Posts: 1514	2/07/09 12:33:11 PM#38 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Loke666 Originally posted by JestorRodo The big reveal related to the way the super hero MMO will work is that traditional party roles, which have made their way into MMOs coming from the Dungeons & Dragons ( they mean WoW) background, are being abandoned in favor of a new approach based on “stances.” No they don't. Wow and EQ stole almost everything from Dungeons and Dragons. Wow was even far from the first game that stole it. Of course D&D stole a lot from Howard and Tolkien themselves but that is besides the point. Wasn't the concept of WoW taken from Warhammer (1983)? R.I.P. SWG June 26, 2003-Dec 15, 2011 (it already died on Nov 15, 2005)
sookster54 Apprentice Member Joined: 10/13/07 Posts: 1514	2/07/09 12:34:51 PM#39 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Buko Just remember, there were no MMORPG's prior to WoW. Henceforth, everything is a WoW clone. Apparently you don't know WTF you're talking about, there was EQ, Ultima Online, DAoC, Lineage, Neverwinter Nights, Runescape, etc. WoW came out in 2004, and yes almost everything AFTER 2004 is a WoW clone. R.I.P. SWG June 26, 2003-Dec 15, 2011 (it already died on Nov 15, 2005)
darwa Advanced Member Joined: 7/04/04 Posts: 1738	2/07/09 12:36:27 PM#40 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by sookster54 Originally posted by Buko Just remember, there were no MMORPG's prior to WoW. Henceforth, everything is a WoW clone. Apparently you don't know WTF you're talking about, there was EQ, Lineage, Neverwinter Nights, Runescape, etc. WoW came out in 2004, and yes almost everything AFTER 2004 is a WoW clone. I think they were being sarcastic in response to the way lesser-educated people call everything a wow clone
sookster54 Apprentice Member Joined: 10/13/07 Posts: 1514	2/07/09 12:47:19 PM#41 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Ah well then in that case, I retract what I said. R.I.P. SWG June 26, 2003-Dec 15, 2011 (it already died on Nov 15, 2005)
thanos1313 Novice Member Joined: 8/28/07 Posts: 184	2/13/09 4:56:07 AM#42 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) no no no, you guys ALL have it all wrong, its a WoW clone because its an MMO..dont you guys know?..every single game that can be played online is a WoW clone..no matter what one came first, no matter what features they have. do you get it now? breaking news, a brawl broke out between the hogger and arthas the lich king downtown gadgetzan. there where no survivers
VultureSkull Apprentice Member Joined: 5/02/07 Posts: 1711	2/13/09 5:03:21 AM#43 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by thanos1313 no no no, you guys ALL have it all wrong, its a WoW clone because its an MMO..dont you guys know?..every single game that can be played online is a WoW clone..no matter what one came first, no matter what features they have. do you get it now? Spot on! In other words all MMOs are the same (maybe Eve is a bit different). The term "WoW clone" simply means that it is a run-of-the-mill MMO, there is no need to argue about what cloned what, because they are all essentially the same!!!
thanos1313 Novice Member Joined: 8/28/07 Posts: 184	2/13/09 5:38:56 AM#44 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by VultureSkull Originally posted by thanos1313 no no no, you guys ALL have it all wrong, its a WoW clone because its an MMO..dont you guys know?..every single game that can be played online is a WoW clone..no matter what one came first, no matter what features they have. do you get it now? Spot on! In other words all MMOs are the same (maybe Eve is a bit different). The term "WoW clone" simply means that it is a run-of-the-mill MMO, there is no need to argue about what cloned what, because they are all essentially the same!!! ..heh...and here i was just being snarkie about how all the WoW fanbois scream out "clone!" everytime a new MMO comes out. EDIT but, this is what happens when MMO's go more mainstream..everyone acts like the game that pushed them into the mainstream was the very first one...ever made..and everything else is copieing it...it was bound to happen. breaking news, a brawl broke out between the hogger and arthas the lich king downtown gadgetzan. there where no survivers
sookster54 Apprentice Member Joined: 10/13/07 Posts: 1514	2/13/09 11:59:51 AM#45 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by thanos1313 no no no, you guys ALL have it all wrong, its a WoW clone because its an MMO..dont you guys know?..every single game that can be played online is a WoW clone..no matter what one came first, no matter what features they have. do you get it now? The gameplay might not be like WoW but the UI sure as hell is, I was shocked when I saw the NYCC videos yet it's something I expect SOE to do because they've been doing that to every game now- they try to make the game look like woW in one way or another. At least Champions Online doesn't look like WoW (yet) and at least NCSoft/Cryptic didn't revamp CoX's UI to make it look like WoW like SOE did with SWG and EQ2. Some other games didn't try to copy WoW like Tabula Rasa (but lived for only 15 months). As I've said before, DCUO's success will only depend upon how tarnished SOE's reputition affects it. R.I.P. SWG June 26, 2003-Dec 15, 2011 (it already died on Nov 15, 2005)
Quizzical Guide Joined: 12/11/08 Posts: 5957	2/13/09 12:04:53 PM#46 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Not every SOE game is a WoW clone. Every MMORPG that Blizzard has ever made is a WoW clone, though.
thanos1313 Novice Member Joined: 8/28/07 Posts: 184	2/13/09 1:13:21 PM#47 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by sookster54 Originally posted by thanos1313 no no no, you guys ALL have it all wrong, its a WoW clone because its an MMO..dont you guys know?..every single game that can be played online is a WoW clone..no matter what one came first, no matter what features they have. do you get it now? The gameplay might not be like WoW but the UI sure as hell is, I was shocked when I saw the NYCC videos yet it's something I expect SOE to do because they've been doing that to every game now- they try to make the game look like woW in one way or another. At least Champions Online doesn't look like WoW (yet) and at least NCSoft/Cryptic didn't revamp CoX's UI to make it look like WoW like SOE did with SWG and EQ2. Some other games didn't try to copy WoW like Tabula Rasa (but lived for only 15 months). As I've said before, DCUO's success will only depend upon how tarnished SOE's reputition affects it. ..sarcasm is lost on you, you realize this right edit: fixed typos breaking news, a brawl broke out between the hogger and arthas the lich king downtown gadgetzan. there where no survivers
Elikal Spotlight Poster Joined: 2/09/06 Posts: 5607	2/15/09 12:56:40 PM#48 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by sookster54 Originally posted by Buko Just remember, there were no MMORPG's prior to WoW. Henceforth, everything is a WoW clone. Apparently you don't know WTF you're talking about, there was EQ, Ultima Online, DAoC, Lineage, Neverwinter Nights, Runescape, etc. WoW came out in 2004, and yes almost everything AFTER 2004 is a WoW clone. Whats more depressing than a good joke not understood? ;)
Sturmrabe Apprentice Member Joined: 12/08/03 Posts: 993 TO VICTORY OR VALHALLA!	3/06/09 12:49:50 PM#49 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) I would just like to add [prolly said before, didn't read this whole clusterfuck] but WoW is an EQ clone... And the EQ/WoW paradigm is the millstone around the MMO genre's neck that needs to be broken... Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
chazmyr Novice Member Joined: 12/07/05 Posts: 69 What we do in life, echos in Eternity	3/06/09 1:10:54 PM#50 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Loke666 Originally posted by JestorRodo The big reveal related to the way the super hero MMO will work is that traditional party roles, which have made their way into MMOs coming from the Dungeons & Dragons ( they mean WoW) background, are being abandoned in favor of a new approach based on “stances.” No they don't. Wow and EQ stole almost everything from Dungeons and Dragons. Wow was even far from the first game that stole it. Of course D&D stole a lot from Howard and Tolkien themselves but that is besides the point. I think the problem is, most people here ( and i mean no offense to anyone) is that they are to young to know Dungeons and Dragons is a table top RPG, and was started long before MMO's were even thought of. SO yes, even EQ "cloned" or used the ideas from D&D, and we dont mean the MMORPG.