Since the random boxes are basically electronic slots, they may be illegal under Federal Law in the United States. At the very least they violate several laws that state that you must make the public aware of the odds for any sort of gambling whether the prize is for monetary gain or not. Since the boxes are as mentioned electronic slots, that constitutes gambling under several statutes. Basically they have managed to survive since 2008 in the United States with out any filing a complaint with the state and federal Departments of Justice. 

I think in the near future you will see the random boxes disappear due to this. Whether they will be forced to pay restitution of any sort to their clients will be determined by a judge but this could actually break the game in the long run.

Good game but random boxes odds are higher than 1:50 for the main items they advertise. Further more they offer sales items stating that purchase will give them items, but in stead they receive random boxes.

Either way if you are new, steer away from buying boxes from this company just because they are basically a rip off leveraged to make Ndoor more money in a unethical manner.
 

This post was done on Atlanticaonline forums and then removed by them with in 15 minutes. LOL.

 Wow really? get over it.

Of course they deleted the thread without any notice as soon as it was seen by moderation.

This represents a far more potential danger than some troll or angry customer, it is within their rights to do that on their private forums, though we are talking about a company avoiding any risks (actual risks here if this issue has been going unchecked since 2008) at its most arbitrary manner.

ROFLMAO!!!!!

@xSagemanx

That's the most pathetic post i've ever seen! Typical for crazy amis who sue everything that they don't like or don't understand (i generalize now but really that's the way many of the europeans see the americans)...

At least i had a good laugh. Tnx for that.

I dunno though. Even though it basically is gambling, at the same time, you aren't literally gambling for money.

Compare it to say, collectible card games, like Magic the Gathering. Some cards have more value than others, but ultimately, they are still just pieces of cardboard.

I'm sympathetic, but I don't think you have much of a case. Consider it a step on the way to becoming your username...

Originally posted by trancejeremy

I dunno though. Even though it basically is gambling, at the same time, you aren't literally gambling for money.

Compare it to say, collectible card games, like Magic the Gathering. Some cards have more value than others, but ultimately, they are still just pieces of cardboard.

 

I'm sympathetic, but I don't think you have much of a case. Consider it a step on the way to becoming your username...

You're right, you're not gambling for money, however he addressed this with the "whether the prize is for monetary gain or not" part which as I recall is true. However, I'm sure there is some legal loophole that it gets around this with, as technically due to all the sales to children with these random boxes, they would be allowing minors to gamble as well if they were considered a gambling system. 

Basically, the law likely does not see them as such, so what the OP is suggesting would unfortunately not hold up in court, but the reality is that random boxes are essentially gambling in the sense of their mechanics and additionally would be equally reactive for people with gambling addictions. All in all, if they are not bound by law to be fair, they should be. There's nothing stopping a game from throwing these things in and essentially selling you boxes with no chance to ever produce anything (IE: completely rigged). 

A side note, I've actually seen f2p games that have different types of random boxes and they did in fact list the odds of getting each item. I don't know if they felt obligated to or not, but just thought of that. 

Do anyone even know if it's illegal? I mean their not gambling real money.

I don't know if this is serious.. but I don't think that it's illegal since the there are lots of games has been released in the industry and there's no problem with that... still depends on how you are going to look on this issue and depends on you if you want to buy a random box no one will forced you anyway it's a matter of choice.

PWI did it with their anniversary boxes for months, ppl would spend a few hunder a wk/month on em.

Worked out fine for them.  I'm sure their lawyers know a lot more about the law than anyone posting here.

Originally posted by xephonics

I'm sure their lawyers know a lot more about the law than anyone posting here.

This.

Pretty sure they know what they're doing to some extent.

Uhmmm..... you know this is a totally idiotic complaint right?
 

If they actually did treat that as illegal, it would also make all "Buy washing powder X now and win a  free trip to Y"  illegal as it's "gambling" ;)

No way any court will dare to up-turn such a business model.

Well yeah... anyway no matter what would be the result lets wait for that...

Originally posted by xSagemanx

  Basically they have managed to survive since 2008 in the United States with out any filing a complaint with the state and federal Departments of Justice. 

I think in the near future you will see the random boxes disappear due to this. Whether they will be forced to pay restitution of any sort to their clients will be determined by a judge but this could actually break the game in the long run.

ya buddy.  i can see just about every attorney general in the US chomping at the bit to take this case on. 

oh and don't forget the tort lawyers, they'll be lining up for this like accident attorneys at a theme park explosion.

this could be bigger than the tobacco industry cover up.

i wonder what my odds are of getting a good well made gordita supreme at taco bell.  they should post those odds on the menu. 

huh, that is funny. The same logic means almost every single game in existence is illegal in the states. That makes no sense :p

nope sorry but they arent illegal

see the items are just 1s and 0s or digital code and that code is owned by the developer

so even when you give them money, the code they add to your account still belongs to them and not you

so really there is nothing you can do about it if they made the random boxes have 1 in a billion odds and cost $40 you still couldn't do anything about it

the only thing you can do is stop paying them and play some thing else but they are counting on that and work on a revolving door model

the customers that leave are gone but another one was born and started playing to replace them

seriously thats how it works too

Originally posted by Feldron

nope sorry but they arent illegal

see the items are just 1s and 0s or digital code and that code is owned by the developer

so even when you give them money, the code they add to your account still belongs to them and not you

so really there is nothing you can do about it if they made the random boxes have 1 in a billion odds and cost $40 you still couldn't do anything about it

the only thing you can do is stop paying them and play some thing else but they are counting on that and work on a revolving door model

the customers that leave are gone but another one was born and started playing to replace them

seriously thats how it works too

Agreed!

According to the Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (2006), "bets and wagers," the key term of the definition for "internet gambling," includes, among others, the following:

• A game subject to chance, wherein the participant risks property to win "something of value."

With specific exceptions only for the following:

• Securities, insurance, and guarantees.
• Transactions approved by the Commodities Exchange Act (of which virtual goods are not a part of)
• Events where participants risk only personal effort, internet connection fees, or credits provided free-of-charge.
• Fantasy Sports Games (or any game where winnings reflect statistical data on at least two individuals in real world events).

• Random Chance Boxes (likely, depending on the definition of "something of value")
• Enhancement Items such as Orihaukon Stones (same)
• Drop Rate in P2P Games (50-50, depending on the definition of "a game subject to chance" and Dominant Factor Test.  The illegal thing here is the act of buying a subscription for the goal of winning drops, thus indirectly becoming a game risking property (paid account) to win something of value (drops).  Also depends on the definition of "something of value.")

• If X-Box Live offered an online poker game for live points.  This falls under the paid subscription (X-Box live account) used to gather points (possibly something of value) at a game subject to chance (online poker game).  An argument can be made - though a bit hazy - that an individual is risking personal property for a chance to play poker to win points, which are - even if they have no cash value - valuable to the individual.

While I find the boxes to be......morally questionable, I doubt they would fall under internet gambling rules as every time you open a box, you get something of "value". If there was a possibility that you got nothing, that could be a different story. But if you do struggle with gambling addiction, I would recommend staying away.

Originally posted by WhiteLantern

But if you do struggle with gambling addiction, I would recommend staying away.

Agreed. I am so not into the idea of buying gambling boxes - well, I did buy a couple of the $1 costume boxes when I had a couple of bucks spare after buying my warrior license (didn't win crap, some ambrosia and a merc xp book). But I worry about how addicted some people must get - there's a guy in my guild, I don't know how much he spends, but every time Ndoors launches a new box, we see the guild announcement that he's just gotten the rare item from it, so he must just keep buying and buying until he wins. It's gotta be expensive.