Originally posted by Xero_Chance

I actually downloaded the game (only took me 45 minutes).

I agree that it sucks but I base that against my experience with City of Heroes, not because I was expecting another City of Heroes, but because I was expecting a better game, which CO is not even close to in any way, shape, or form.

Here's my honest review after playing for a week or so.

Graphics - Badly done cell shading makes my eyes hurt, and the anti-aliasing doesn't work at all. Also the character models look like they're marketed towards grade-schoolers, which they probably are.

Gameplay - Rubberbanding due to bad server hardware and/or bad (or nonexistent) player-region server grouping makes the game already hard to play. In between lag spikes, the fighting controls are unresponsive at best. I find myself facerolling often. The gameplay design is a bad clone of CoH, with an autoattack thrown in to make it even worse.

Community - I didn't notice one. Which is bad. Millennium City zone chat is filled with silence with the occasional "hw to cast spel??". I also didn't notice any trace of supergroups or whatever they have there.

Let me tell you a story. After the guys at Paragon Studios pretty much said F-U to Cryptic when they left and made their own studio, Cryptic attempted to make Marvel Online just to try to rival CoH because they were butthurt. But then Marvel sued cryptic for some retarded reason (most likely more butthurt) that I don't care about. So Cryptic shat their pants for a bit then had to completely restructure the game over some pen-and-paper game nobody's heard about (while CoH is filled with ORIGINAL lore). More butthurt ensues afterwards.

CO is a game spawned from and basted with jealous butthurt since early development and you can tell.

It's funny I just started playing when f2p started, actually enjoyed the game enough to buy a subscrption.  I haven't experienced any "rubberbanding" and Millennium City is extremely populated with people chatting.  Even at 4am the game has a lot of people.  As far as graphics go I guess they're not for everyone, I enjoy the cell shading but maybe if others don't they could turn them off in options under video settings?

Well all you have been able to see is the CO Downloader. The CO downloader is a buggy P.O.S., hybrid bittorrent client that allows for no tweaking of the up and down pipe so the upload bandwith chokes out your connection. I never got above 28 KB/s and my ports were so overloaded I couldn't browse the web or even log into my router settings to see what ports I had open.

So I canceled the download and found a torrent of the game instead. Using utorrent I downloaded the game in just over an hour.

As to how i feel about the game, they have made some improvements since launch so its ok for free, but I still wouldn't pay a nickel to play it.

Oh and as to them wasting forum bandwith or customer service for us free joyriders. Why the hell should they?

Originally posted by Falcomith

OP, sorry about your frustration with the lack of customer service. Thats not new in the F2P type games. Dungeons and Dragons Online is the same way. Remember the old sating, "You get what you pay for".  In this case you are not paying anything so you get very little. Also, its not like they didnt tell you ahead of time there was no support other then the knowledge base. They have a matrix of what you get and dont get on there site. http://www.champions-online.com/f2p_matrix

I should have looked deeper in to the game, especially the page your link points to. One og my pet hates of these type of games is a lack of backpack space, and with this game only offering 1 for f2p and 4 is subscribed (so long as you buy through item mall) I just trashed the idea of playing this crippled game....

Originally posted by Tardcore

Well all you have been able to see is the CO Downloader. The CO downloader is a buggy P.O.S., hybrid bittorrent client that allows for no tweaking of the up and down pipe so the upload bandwith chokes out your connection. I never got above 28 KB/s and my ports were so overloaded I couldn't browse the web or even log into my router settings to see what ports I had open.

So I canceled the download and found a torrent of the game instead. Using utorrent I downloaded the game in just over an hour.

As to how i feel about the game, they have made some improvements since launch so its ok for free, but I still wouldn't pay a nickel to play it.

Oh and as to them wasting forum bandwith or customer service for us free joyriders. Why the hell should they?

Why the hell should they not. If some one has problems, and gets them sorted, they might actually decide to stick around, maybe even end up subscribing if they decide they like the game, but would not be able to decide if they can not even get it downloaded.

Originally posted by zastroph

Originally posted by Falcomith

OP, sorry about your frustration with the lack of customer service. Thats not new in the F2P type games. Dungeons and Dragons Online is the same way. Remember the old sating, "You get what you pay for".  In this case you are not paying anything so you get very little. Also, its not like they didnt tell you ahead of time there was no support other then the knowledge base. They have a matrix of what you get and dont get on there site. http://www.champions-online.com/f2p_matrix

I should have looked deeper in to the game, especially the page your link points to. One og my pet hates of these type of games is a lack of backpack space, and with this game only offering 1 for f2p and 4 is subscribed (so long as you buy through item mall) I just trashed the idea of playing this crippled game....

You get four as a sub no matter what.  You don't have to pay to get them.  You should get actual facts.  Better to not say anything and let everyone think you're a fool than to speak and prove them right.

Originally posted by zastroph

Originally posted by Falcomith

OP, sorry about your frustration with the lack of customer service. Thats not new in the F2P type games. Dungeons and Dragons Online is the same way. Remember the old sating, "You get what you pay for".  In this case you are not paying anything so you get very little. Also, its not like they didnt tell you ahead of time there was no support other then the knowledge base. They have a matrix of what you get and dont get on there site. http://www.champions-online.com/f2p_matrix

I should have looked deeper in to the game, especially the page your link points to. One og my pet hates of these type of games is a lack of backpack space, and with this game only offering 1 for f2p and 4 is subscribed (so long as you buy through item mall) I just trashed the idea of playing this crippled game....

Yea, it does suck. I have two high level 20 characters that I care about. About 6 months ago I was getting that MMO burn out and stopped playing. When I heard about the F2P coming, I'll be honest I was kind excited and hoped that I wouldnt lose anything on the characters I created. When I logged in the other day it wanted me to to choose the characters I was going to use since slots are limited. So I picked my level 28 and it told me it was a gold account character but can convert to silver account. Of course I didnt convert. I dont want to lose all those secondary powers and other things because of the limitation. So, not only did they screw the new free players (dont get me wrong, there should be limitations for F2P but not that strict), but they screwed the veteran players who started with release. They should allow the ex-gold members carry over what they earned. Since I already pay a sub on another game, I guess Cryptic will be waiting a long time for me to sub if I come back, because for sure I wont play the F2P service.

Originally posted by Tardcore

Well all you have been able to see is the CO Downloader. The CO downloader is a buggy P.O.S., hybrid bittorrent client that allows for no tweaking of the up and down pipe so the upload bandwith chokes out your connection. I never got above 28 KB/s and my ports were so overloaded I couldn't browse the web or even log into my router settings to see what ports I had open.

So I canceled the download and found a torrent of the game instead. Using utorrent I downloaded the game in just over an hour.

As to how i feel about the game, they have made some improvements since launch so its ok for free, but I still wouldn't pay a nickel to play it.

Oh and as to them wasting forum bandwith or customer service for us free joyriders. Why the hell should they?

Thank you. This is first relevant post in this thread.

Still, as you noticed, while they have issues using their own bandwidth to promote their service, they have no problems robbing potential customers of their own bandwidth; they went way too far with the download "manager".

Originally posted by Chargersphan

Originally posted by Tyrrhon

Originally posted by xpiher

You need a better computer and internet connection. 

You need a better bucket.

How does better computer and internet connection help? Do you want him to donate them to Cryptic?

 Really? How does internet connection help with 3.3gb downloads the op claims take a week when that should realistically take no more then 1 hour? I mean Jesus if you want to talk someone down don't sound like a fucking retard while you do it please.

What about you check where your mouth and your pot is first?

What about you read the thread you posting in?

What about you get a clue what exactly are we talking about?

They do not have enough connectivity so all the bandwidth and then some is provided by the users, and to make it worse their download manager has no settings and prioritizes uplink, to the point the downlink becomes borderline useless. You pretty much have to leech the naive users of their download "manager" if you want the game, which makes it even worse for them.

Now say sorry.

So in summation, the game sucks because:

• you have a slow internet connection
• you can't figure out how to post on their message boards

Originally posted by hanshotfirst

So in summation, the game sucks because:

• you have a slow internet connection
• you can't figure out how to post on their message boards

Really?

^^^ this ^^^

you foolish boy....

 Sorry but downloading and forums has nothing to do with the game itself, so flatout saying Champions Online Sucks seems like nothing more than flame bait.

 I havn't even played the game myself, so i'm no fanboi, but I do have a lingering interest and a thread with such a title should really offer atleast something about the actual game lol.

someone who cant be paitent enough for a core install MMO to take longer than a hello kitty patch most likely should go to whatever web based MMO they were playing before.

All MMOs worth playing are going to take a long time to download and install and I am not even a fan of the game and i can defend that much

Originally posted by hanshotfirst

So in summation, the game sucks because:

• you have a slow internet connection
• you can't figure out how to post on their message boards

Really?

This, and ppl like the op must die, literally

And since the thread is utterly pointless, to the one i quoted

Also hanshotsecond, cause present overwrites teh past

Originally posted by zastroph

I just signed up for this game, which seemd like it might be fun for a while. But the game client is only downloadable in one peice, and apparently not resumable, so at 3.3gb I am not willing to give up my pc for a week, while it downloads.

 

Also, their forum is ONLY usable by players that have a subscription, sure you can read the posts, but not make any nor can you contact the publishers directly via their contact us page, again you need a sub, how pathetic!

 

Players beware...

This post was entirely unnecessary.  The only evidence needed for CO sucking is it went F2P.

Originally posted by Sanity888

Wow. And I actually thought you were going to talk about the actual game when I clicked onto this thread.

Sadly I was wrong.

 Had the same thoughts, I mean how can someone say game X sucks as he hasn't even played the game.

The topic title should have been "I can not get the game to download fast enough even though the game is free, perhaps any help? " that would be a honost topic, instead if trying to be popular and state the game sucks.

You are all foolish to respond to this foolish thread and keeping it up in the "recent Forum Activity" list for everyone to see (and so am I, but I had to post just to say this:

I actually LOVE CO.

I subbed shortly after STO came out and loved it.

The only reason I cancelled was because I lost my job (thanks Gordon Gecko, I hope I will meet you one day in a dark alley).

But now that it is "F2P", I am LOVING it it again.

It is a perfect game to relax after a hard (and intellectually exhausting) day at work. It doesn't need you to concentrate much and the graphics are spot on for a comic game.

So there, for ever one of you out there, there is one of me.

PS: oh yeah, I hated the downloader, had to leave it on over night. But that's beside the point.

Originally posted by zastroph

Originally posted by Tardcore

Well all you have been able to see is the CO Downloader. The CO downloader is a buggy P.O.S., hybrid bittorrent client that allows for no tweaking of the up and down pipe so the upload bandwith chokes out your connection. I never got above 28 KB/s and my ports were so overloaded I couldn't browse the web or even log into my router settings to see what ports I had open.

So I canceled the download and found a torrent of the game instead. Using utorrent I downloaded the game in just over an hour.

As to how i feel about the game, they have made some improvements since launch so its ok for free, but I still wouldn't pay a nickel to play it.

Oh and as to them wasting forum bandwith or customer service for us free joyriders. Why the hell should they?

Why the hell should they not. If some one has problems, and gets them sorted, they might actually decide to stick around, maybe even end up subscribing if they decide they like the game, but would not be able to decide if they can not even get it downloaded.

Sorry, miscommunication. I didn't mean from a buisness standpoint there is no reason to try to turn these free players into potential customers. I meant considering Cryptics history of how poorly the treat their paying customers, why the hell would they care about someone who was getting their services for free.

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Originally posted by zastroph
Why the hell should they not. If some one has problems, and gets them sorted, they might actually decide to stick around, maybe even end up subscribing if they decide they like the game, but would not be able to decide if they can not even get it downloaded.

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Why not? Because it won't pay off. Simple business sense...

Saying that a game sucks when you haven't even played just ain't cool.