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Yamota
Elite Member
Joined: 10/05/03
Money in politics is the root of all political evil. It is corruption at it's worst. |
www.xfire.com/games/champions/Champions_Online/ CO just slid out of the top 100 in XFire and it seems to be still going down. In a couple of months it will probably be close to CoX with a rank of 2-300. Too bad though, the game could have been something if Cryptic pushed the envelope and added villains from start. |
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10/24/09 8:15:59 PM#2
The primary reason for the slide is lack of content. The Game has approximtely 1 to 2 months worth of content for the average player. After that you can try out different power sets but the content will be exactly the same as the first character you leveled. Most people quickly get tired of this and grow bored. The core game is good and is fun to play. If your thinking of spending $50 on a single player game this game would be a good alternative to that. Play it as a single player game, play out the free month or two months or whatever they are giving, then put it back on the shelf and move on. I will probably cancel my sub after I play bloodmoon unless they have something else major in the pipeline for early to mid november. |
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10/24/09 9:36:44 PM#3
Originally posted by Yamota
I completely agree with that. But I guess they for sure didnt have enough content to provide the bad guys. If they planned it from the start cleverly tho they could've organized the quests so you could choose to solve them a good way or a bad way (fable / KOTR style). would've doubled->tripled their content reuse and replay value.
but noooooo, they just had to be greedy and postphone that for some paid expansion. |
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10/24/09 9:40:06 PM#4
I went with the 6 month subscription, and can't even play anymore as I suddenly started rubber-banding non-stop and no one at Cryptic seems very concerned.
Guess I learned my lesson about going greater than month to month. There's absolutely nothing I can do, even though the game is currently unplayable for me.
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10/24/09 9:42:03 PM#5
OR....it could also be that X-fire stopped working in CO a few months back with an Xfire patch. I have been writting Xfire support on this for a while. I am sure that since Xfire won't launch with it and you cannot take any screen shots or video it would have no impact on CO's Xfire ranking. |
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10/24/09 9:47:59 PM#6
Yes because CoV was such a savior for CoH. Frankly if Cryptic retains CoX numbers they will be very happy. But yes it launched content light since it went open world instead of indoor instances that highlights the low zone count. Course CoX highlights that its instanced indoors by repeating the same 5? interiors ;) My problem with CO though is that maintained powers and shift blocking isn't terribly responsive, so I mash a lot more than I'd like to. Otherwise it a fun game that will take some time to flesh out. |
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10/24/09 11:26:54 PM#7
naw cox has more than 5 interors. if ya ever messed with the ae building an tried to make misisons youd see theirs a ton of maps .an as i have said ton of times x fire doesnt play well with some games . it doesnt report hours right or some times at all. but part of the slide could be the server problems co has had as well that would afect hours played to.
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." — Robert E. Howard, The Tower of the Elephant (1933) |
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ghost047
Hard Core Member
Joined: 5/17/05
Why worry about life, you won''t survive it anyway! |
10/24/09 11:37:00 PM#8
Originally posted by Yamota So what is your point exactly? Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!! |
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10/24/09 11:48:11 PM#9
Originally posted by Maelkor
My thoughts exactly. |
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ghost047
Hard Core Member
Joined: 5/17/05
Why worry about life, you won''t survive it anyway! |
10/25/09 12:02:52 AM#10
Originally posted by Maelkor Tell me what is the difference with any other games out there, Aion just came out and if you reroll you will have to redo the same exact quest line unless you change sides. What about WoW, same exact thing happen, the only difference is the starting area and after that is the same quest line. WAR is the same, if you want to lvl you have to run the quest if every 3 zones of your faction. So again, why everyone complain about that in CO but you have the same in every other game, seem to me like people are just looking for a reason abd can not come up with a good one. Same thing with the "it's too solo friendly" but every game out there you can max out solo, people cry when they have to group, just look at FFXI forum and you will see. Give CO a break, it's been out for less than 2 months and they did a hell of a job adding content and fixing stuff. For people who are rubberbanding, just play with your setting and it should fix it, like removing the outline or the water effect in Lemuria, but stop complaining about the game because your PC can't run it and please spare the "I can run all the new game on max", so obviously you are doing something wrong. Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!! |
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10/25/09 12:20:12 AM#11
Cryptic did what they did with COH and Mythic did with LOTRO: They started wih very little content and added more later. The problem is that it worked better last time since there really only were one super hero MMO out there so you didn't have a choice if you liked the genre. Now there is already CoX and soon will SOE release the DCU also... And Marvel is talking about making a MMO too now (I guess they backed out on CO because they didn't think it was solid enough. Too little content is a big problem in MMOs and Cryptic would have done theirselfs a big favour if they waited releasing a year while adding content. And while the Nemesis is rather cool from the pen and paper game it is not enough, people want to be able to play bad also. Cryptic are probably overworked since they also make Star trek and Neverwinter nights. But it is better to focus on one game until it is good enough and then start on next instead of releasing 3 games that needs more polish and content. I don't think it is just problems with X-fire, AoC have also some issues with it and they are still in the middle of the top 100 list. It can surely add to the lower ratings and some of it might be the fact that X-fire curves get less reliable the ferwer people who plays it, in Wows case you can see if the servers are down one hour but with a game like CO could you get weird spikes just if a few guys get a day of work or decide to do something else for a few days. But I think we can be sure that falling from 25 to 106 with a graph that looks like the stock market 1929 isn't a good sign. They need to add some content ASAP or they will lose their subs to CoX and DCU. |
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10/25/09 11:31:06 AM#12
Originally posted by ghost047
ok much as i didint like wow their was a difrent feel for areas you started in an yoiu did not have to take the same quest lines.each starting area had difrent quests (tho kill x or gather x were similar in each ).thier was not a feeling of a lack of quests (most were easy so sooo easy) as in co. warhammer difrent starting areas again you did not have to take the same quest lines .but with war an wow you could play good or evil an thats lacking in co. now as far as giving co a break im in my fre month. so far their log in servers been messed up,yesterday they had problems geting character to load for hours.capes disapear an only way to getm back is reloading the costum an it does it on character select to.mission doors not lighitng up so you speen hour or so trying to find entry clicking every posible door.while getn jumped by mobs in the area.powers that your beter off takeing other powers with its effect like enrage than takeing the enrage power. realy dont need to give it a break it keeps breaking it self.puting out the c store costuems an rertcons before adding a good amont of content looks bad.an i dont hold much water with x fire but their are threads on co forums about the population drop. oh ya an attacking some ones comp for playing a game ,you want people to give a break .doesnt work.games buggy its got problems .an their adressing them in the item shop?item shop>than bug fixes aprently.. not classy at all.guess all the people who had log in problems or getn past character select yesterday it was THEIR comps fault? "Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." — Robert E. Howard, The Tower of the Elephant (1933) |
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ghost047
Hard Core Member
Joined: 5/17/05
Why worry about life, you won''t survive it anyway! |
10/25/09 12:03:30 PM#13
Originally posted by Axeion
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!! |
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10/25/09 12:16:20 PM#14
there is only one problem with the game. Developers decided to not listen to the players. Example = early release = no villains + huge nerf. The game 2 days before launch day was fine but we all know what happened. They gave us a nerf to make it take longer to level since there was no content later on. |
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RavingRabbid
Apprentice Member
Joined: 10/11/09
Remember Rabbids cant play MMO's, but they can dance! |
10/25/09 12:20:37 PM#15
Why do people insist on using Xfire numbers when not enough mmo gamers use xfire? (AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH dances with hot cell-shaded superheroine) The ONLY opinion that matters if I like or dislike about a game is mine and mine alone. Playing: SWTOR and World of Tanks. |
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10/25/09 12:24:11 PM#16
2 things; I play a lot of games and dont have xfire, I dont see the purpose or it. But also I have a lifetime sub and cant really bring myself to play CO all that often. Decent game, fun sometimes, but not all that engauging. Just my opinion as thousands of people like it a lot. |
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10/25/09 1:03:11 PM#17
Originally posted by RavingRabbid
Exactly. It's a fact that no one knows the exact percentage of the gaming population that uses X-fire. Nor, does anyone know the exact percentage of CO players that use X-fire. X-fire is not statistical evidence. When X-fire figures are used to attempt to validate the decline or increase of total gaming population that plays X game, then two things happen:
All these so-called "X-fire stats" are are guesses. They provide no actual statistical data. They are not hard "proof" of anything. All they are are guesses. And piss-poor ones at that. |
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10/25/09 1:13:35 PM#18
I bought the 6 month sub and just can't bring myself to log in anymore. I have since went back to LotRO. It's sad, I really wanted to like this game, but the lack of content is just stupid. Having to take missions 3 levels above you ALL the time means that there is NOT enough content.. The devs just added more stuff to the C-Store and continue to make nerfs, but still have not added more content. And no...3 small instances that look very familiar to earlier dungeons does not seal the content gap. The devs need to get their priorities straight or their going to loose the rest of the population of the game. I know I won't be resubbing unless they make some major changes and add a lot more content. |
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ghost047
Hard Core Member
Joined: 5/17/05
Why worry about life, you won''t survive it anyway! |
10/25/09 2:59:32 PM#19
Originally posted by junzo316
I never had to take missions 3 lvls above me at anytime during my lvling, same lvl or 1 lvl higher. If you did is because you did like many, you rush to the end and you skip many missions. I would be curious to see those toon and check all the missions you missed, can you link you toon from Cryptics website? Again C-Store and content are different department. Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!! |
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10/25/09 3:08:25 PM#20
Originally posted by ghost047
I never had to take missions 3 lvls above me at anytime during my lvling, same lvl or 1 lvl higher. If you did is because you did like many, you rush to the end and you skip many missions. I would be curious to see those toon and check all the missions you missed, can you link you toon from Cryptics website? Again C-Store and content are different department.
You are just full of assumptions. I'm not one of those that rush to the end. If missions were missed, I blame cryptic for not making them more apparent. Hidden missions does not help the lack of content, which can't be argued. It has been proven time and time again that there are content gaps in game, Cryptic has admitted it, so your claims that there are none are rather silly.
If they are different departments for the C-Store and content, then they need to re-evaluate their hiring practice and place more employees on content. The game is bleeding subs because there is not enough content. Cryptic needs to evaluate whats more important, the store or their subs... |
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10/25/09 3:18:13 PM#21
Originally posted by ghost047
/shrug i leveld in war an did not have to do all three factions .guess i didnt do it right shoulda consulted ya on that.most players i gamed with didnt eaither.could be a new money maker for ya on how to properly level in games. co mission where door didnt light up was a foxbat mission he took over a tv station. went around the building for about a hour in the green oval. no door i clicked would work. loged out for bit went an played cox for a bit had some fun . tried co again an the same door i couldnt go in before was lit up .did the mission but was bit odd it wouldnt light up before.an yeah i do need some new glasses but even with these 2 year old ones i can see if the door is lit up shiny or not. wait is it my comp or glasses why co is buggy ? capes just one thing that poofs randomly.not a big deal just reload costum an its their.for a while.not being able to go into misison . not havieng main mission npc spawn,no exit button at character selct when servers are messed up.haveing to crtl alt delete to get out of a game seem odd for a mmo at a menu screen.not being able to use new grafic drivers as they cause lag in the game is odd as well. so this magical you can not gripe about a games performance bugs, cusotmer service, log in , bugs , server problems time.. how long is a realse time counted now?your the expert here. 1 month sure, 2 months um crytpic is celbrating their 1st month with giving a free two day week end for all.they want to show off how much they have changed the game an how its growing.their not pushing a relase celebration.. an ya i have posted in other threads i understand theirs difrent departments in a mmo. but it does look bad to put in a cash store before fixing the game . people now are complaing on their fourms about this. you might cach a thread before it gets deleted an see for you self.their locking an deleting threads alot last two days.maybe you can figure a way to blame peoples comps on that to? co is a game i want to love.. an barely like. if cryptic dont kill it its comunity will.read some of their offical forums for a bit an it seems majority that post dont want complants, bugs are your fault. its like their playing a perfic game when the servers are down.an their more than happy to tell you to go play another game.if you thought mmorpg forums were snarky at times you aint seen nothing yet. "Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." — Robert E. Howard, The Tower of the Elephant (1933) |
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ghost047
Hard Core Member
Joined: 5/17/05
Why worry about life, you won''t survive it anyway! |
10/25/09 5:30:04 PM#22
Originally posted by junzo316
You are just full of assumptions. I'm not one of those that rush to the end. If missions were missed, I blame cryptic for not making them more apparent. Hidden missions does not help the lack of content, which can't be argued. It has been proven time and time again that there are content gaps in game, Cryptic has admitted it, so your claims that there are none are rather silly. Like I said, I or any of my friend had content gap, Cryptic admitted there was a content gap because so many people were complaining about, but in fact, if you do a little exploration, you will find a lot of missions you missed. But no, you won't start exploring, it's a waste of time, we have to take your hand and bring you there, I blame WoW for this kind of behavior. If they are different departments for the C-Store and content, then they need to re-evaluate their hiring practice and place more employees on content. The game is bleeding subs because there is not enough content. Cryptic needs to evaluate whats more important, the store or their subs... you can not stop working on something (bloodmoon event) because some people say there is a gap content. BTW, they were very responsive and fast to had the content gap at lvl 30-32 by adding some repeatable missions (not the best way, but sure help) and that content gap was there because people were on a hurry to get to Monster Island at lvl 27, so yeah they ran out of missions when they hit 30. You see, even if you outlevel your missions they will still the same amount of XP, doing missions 3 lvl higher doesn't give you more XP than if you them with your toon 3 lvl higher than the missions. You are the one full of assumptions when you say the game is bleeding subs.
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!! |
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ghost047
Hard Core Member
Joined: 5/17/05
Why worry about life, you won''t survive it anyway! |
10/25/09 5:49:22 PM#23
Originally posted by Axeion
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!! |
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10/25/09 6:22:14 PM#24
This is so much of a misrepresentation of the content gap. There was no content gap in beta or headstart. They made a huge decision to basically revamp the game on launch day which included drastically nerfing the exp rewards from missions to stop people from hitting level 40 too quickly and quitting. They did this because people in headstart got to level 40 before launch day.
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Yamota
Elite Member
Joined: 10/05/03
Money in politics is the root of all political evil. It is corruption at it's worst. |
Down to #115 and this is during a weekend... weee No really, sad to see this game slide down to the ghetto zone of MMORPGs. The combat was really fun and the open powersystem was innovative but the game lacks some serious content. I am playing Aion now and during the four days that I have played it I have seen more content than the whole of CO. Aion combat though is totally inferior to COs but combat is not enough... |