I too will be watching this game carefully and intend on giving it a try when it comes out.  The customization they talk of sounds very promising.

Originally posted by Hexxeity

 

Originally posted by vajuras

I played CoH/V for bout a year. I always said they should have stuck to their guns and went with a HERO-like system like they planned (but ditched at E3).

This time I hope they think things through better and stick to their guns. Also I pray the 'city of nerfs' is not repeated. The nerfs rained down from the sky left and right.

That ED nerf was pretty awful. That's stuff a professional game dev should do before ship. Please dont revamp an MMO years later that's just not cool. If your game is broken, fix it before release plz. Don;t say crap like, "We never meant for Controllers to have X number of pets".... Find that stuff in open beta please.

Actually, the nerfs were the GOOD decisions.  The Tank herding nerf was the single greatest decision in MMO history.  ED wasn't awful -- it was a necessary step toward inventions.  Without ED, inventions would have been a nightmare to balance.  Was your enjoyment of the game was based entirely on a few 6-slotted powers?  If so, that's a shame.

 

 

Once Statesman left and Positron started adding things that seemed "cool," THAT is when the gameplay and overall enjoyability began to plummet.

Why don't you remove leveling and make everyone max level?  What is the point to ACHIEVE anything?

Nerfs kill the game for almost every achiever.

If you don't understand the achievers, at least, try to remain open minded.  A nerf is NOT acceptable.  Maybe I can be rational and come to terms and accept 1 SMALL thing once in a while...but IH/ED???  Never.  I would have to explain to you how they should IMPROVE invul, yet they nerf it (based on scrappers, while mainly it is for tankers/brutes to compete with stoner).  See 1 set with 9 defensive powers that stack...is weaker than a set with 8 defensive powers which doesn't stack (Mud pot is offensive).  Now, if you have to stack many powers, the endresult should be stronger, not weaker.  But not with these devs...Granite crush it all.  That's made no sense.

The worst drop they ever have in amounts of players is when they...IH and ED nerf.  Say whatever you want, subs numbers support my point.

But wear these pinks glasses and keep thinking ED was good.  It was awfull, it ruins the game for almost every achievers.  Sure, socialisers and killers may find these fun/acceptable, but explorer won't give a damn and achievers will cry, and cry, and cry.

Originally posted by JelloB2000

Played CoV (and a little CoH) on the euro servers for about four months. Would have played more but the population was (still is?) really low, it was possible to play solo but playing almost only solo is not that fun.

Definitely keeping a eye on this game (as in my last hope for a good mmorpg).

Gelasius

i cant wait for this one to come out. thats all

Originally posted by Anofalye

 

Originally posted by Hexxeity

 

Originally posted by vajuras

I played CoH/V for bout a year. I always said they should have stuck to their guns and went with a HERO-like system like they planned (but ditched at E3).

This time I hope they think things through better and stick to their guns. Also I pray the 'city of nerfs' is not repeated. The nerfs rained down from the sky left and right.

That ED nerf was pretty awful. That's stuff a professional game dev should do before ship. Please dont revamp an MMO years later that's just not cool. If your game is broken, fix it before release plz. Don;t say crap like, "We never meant for Controllers to have X number of pets".... Find that stuff in open beta please.

Actually, the nerfs were the GOOD decisions.  The Tank herding nerf was the single greatest decision in MMO history.  ED wasn't awful -- it was a necessary step toward inventions.  Without ED, inventions would have been a nightmare to balance.  Was your enjoyment of the game was based entirely on a few 6-slotted powers?  If so, that's a shame.

 

 

Once Statesman left and Positron started adding things that seemed "cool," THAT is when the gameplay and overall enjoyability began to plummet.

 

Why don't you remove leveling and make everyone max level?  What is the point to ACHIEVE anything?

 

Nerfs kill the game for almost every achiever.

 

If you don't understand the achievers, at least, try to remain open minded.  A nerf is NOT acceptable.  Maybe I can be rational and come to terms and accept 1 SMALL thing once in a while...but IH/ED???  Never.  I would have to explain to you how they should IMPROVE invul, yet they nerf it (based on scrappers, while mainly it is for tankers/brutes to compete with stoner).  See 1 set with 9 defensive powers that stack...is weaker than a set with 8 defensive powers which doesn't stack (Mud pot is offensive).  Now, if you have to stack many powers, the endresult should be stronger, not weaker.  But not with these devs...Granite crush it all.  That's made no sense.

 

The worst drop they ever have in amounts of players is when they...IH and ED nerf.  Say whatever you want, subs numbers support my point.

 

But wear these pinks glasses and keep thinking ED was good.  It was awfull, it ruins the game for almost every achievers.  Sure, socialisers and killers may find these fun/acceptable, but explorer won't give a damn and achievers will cry, and cry, and cry.

Achievers are like locusts -- they demolish everything in their path as quickly as possible and move on....

As to the OP, I think most CoX players are going to keep an open mind about CO and if CO is good enough, they'll move over, just like any other game.

Originally posted by Anofalye

 

Originally posted by Hexxeity

 

Originally posted by vajuras

I played CoH/V for bout a year. I always said they should have stuck to their guns and went with a HERO-like system like they planned (but ditched at E3).

This time I hope they think things through better and stick to their guns. Also I pray the 'city of nerfs' is not repeated. The nerfs rained down from the sky left and right.

That ED nerf was pretty awful. That's stuff a professional game dev should do before ship. Please dont revamp an MMO years later that's just not cool. If your game is broken, fix it before release plz. Don;t say crap like, "We never meant for Controllers to have X number of pets".... Find that stuff in open beta please.

Actually, the nerfs were the GOOD decisions.  The Tank herding nerf was the single greatest decision in MMO history.  ED wasn't awful -- it was a necessary step toward inventions.  Without ED, inventions would have been a nightmare to balance.  Was your enjoyment of the game was based entirely on a few 6-slotted powers?  If so, that's a shame.

 

 

Once Statesman left and Positron started adding things that seemed "cool," THAT is when the gameplay and overall enjoyability began to plummet.

 

Why don't you remove leveling and make everyone max level?  What is the point to ACHIEVE anything?

 

Nerfs kill the game for almost every achiever.

 

If you don't understand the achievers, at least, try to remain open minded.  A nerf is NOT acceptable.  Maybe I can be rational and come to terms and accept 1 SMALL thing once in a while...but IH/ED???  Never.  I would have to explain to you how they should IMPROVE invul, yet they nerf it (based on scrappers, while mainly it is for tankers/brutes to compete with stoner).  See 1 set with 9 defensive powers that stack...is weaker than a set with 8 defensive powers which doesn't stack (Mud pot is offensive).  Now, if you have to stack many powers, the endresult should be stronger, not weaker.  But not with these devs...Granite crush it all.  That's made no sense.

 

The worst drop they ever have in amounts of players is when they...IH and ED nerf.  Say whatever you want, subs numbers support my point.

 

But wear these pinks glasses and keep thinking ED was good.  It was awfull, it ruins the game for almost every achievers.  Sure, socialisers and killers may find these fun/acceptable, but explorer won't give a damn and achievers will cry, and cry, and cry.

Seems to me that's an overall positive reaction.

The only thing you've convinced me of is that I forgot to mention how a lot of people still wish they would NERF Granite Armor.

I wasn't a tank, so I understood why they got nerfed.  I would have preferred to have had my powers given an overhaul so I could compete though.  Pro buff, anti nerf.

Arenas, upon release, killed it for me, on my main, a gravity/forcefield magician.  The fact that I couldn't compete with my tank/scrapper friends in PvP without ending in a 0/0 draw or me getting slaughtered. Containment was awesome, I loved it, but I still had gimp PvP powers. 

Most super heroes got nerfed to heroes.  I hope Champions won't get nerfed to winners.  CoX became so narrow from what I expected them to release that it choked me out of paying that subscription fee.

Champions' promises are hitting the spot, and if it delivers, it gets my money.

Originally posted by quixadhal

I played CoH from late beta through the end of the first year, then quit for a while, and have come back a few times since then.  It's a fun game, and while it has had some pretty rough changes, overall it still has the best "feel" of any MMO out there.

If CO was being done by the current NCSoft CoX team, I'd jump in a heartbeat.  Jack "Statesman" Emmeret isn't a deal breaker for me, but it does make me cautious.... Hopefully he has learned to listen to the player base and make use of the feedback from the test servers.

Actually, listening to a vocal minority is dangerous.

The average player will not even fills the final survey.  Even less come on websites, official or not.

Originally posted by Hexxeity

 

So let's see ... by your own admission, ONE group of players dislikes the change, TWO groups enjoy it, and another group doesn't care.

 

Seems to me that's an overall positive reaction.

The only thing you've convinced me of is that I forgot to mention how a lot of people still wish they would NERF Granite Armor.

Achievers are the peoples who will play the game, even if they are alone.  Socialisers will play the game if other are.  Killers will play the game if other are.

See, CoX needs more achievers.  Not less.  See the comment of the persons saying they left cause it is a ghostown?  How do you retain socialisers and killers?  You retain them with achievers already playing your game and supporting it.

Nerfs are never acceptable.  Once you give, you never take back.  You can give more to "balance", but never take anything.

Originally posted by therain93

Achievers are like locusts -- they demolish everything in their path as quickly as possible and move on....

True. :)  This is a good description of me and achievers.  Althought a bit harsh.

However, the point is that a MMO could be designed in a way where the achiever never move on, and achieve more, more and more.  You just have to find a way where the non-achievers can play and be happy and rule at what they do.  Read my blog if you want to see a my solution for that.

Originally posted by Anofalye

 

Originally posted by therain93

Achievers are like locusts -- they demolish everything in their path as quickly as possible and move on....

 

True. :)  This is a good description of me and achievers.  Althought a bit harsh.

 

However, the point is that a MMO could be designed in a way where the achiever never move on, and achieve more, more and more.  You just have to find a way where the non-achievers can play and be happy and rule at what they do.  Read my blog if you want to see a my solution for that.

Initially I was going to disagree with you based on the premise that because content really is finite within a timeframe, there's no possible way for developers to keep up with players by adding more and more content.  It's also wasteful to abandon that old content (i.e., galaxy city/atlas park/kings row) once you get past respective levels.  So by offering replayability (encouraging altitis) especially with the group dynamics and the particular community of CoX, you could be able to extend the lifespan of the game.  But, that's based on my personal preference of having fun playing multiple characters (which many people like to do) but it still doesn't satisfy those who must have the uber loot/badge/achievement.

So, how can I turn around and agree with you now?  Well, i think we're beginning to reach a turning point in software design, particularly in games where game content can be dynamically generated and organically evolve.  Look at Spore by Will Wright -- it is using "procedural generation" to dynamically create worlds and conflicts based on the decisions you make designing and leading your "entity".  Sure, this is a single player game but I had recently (1 month ago?) come across an article about a programmer who was attempting to create an  "morpg" (no massive in there) based on this same concept with an ROI based on a 30 person population.  If it works and if this matures, we'll see the realization of truly unique shards in our mmo's and at least sufficiently new kinds of content available to the achievers (as well as others).

So, while I think mmos are best suited for those who "enjoy the journey", I do acknowledge  that the achiever-types who like to win games provide a significant portion of the population (directly or indirectly as you describe).