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  Jatar

Novice Member

Joined: 9/16/07
Posts: 329

Citadel of Sorcery dev team member

10/21/12 1:43:38 PM#61
Originally posted by Ziyadah
Originally posted by Jatar
There are pages and pages of information on the game available to anyone who wants to research it.  We openly answer any question we can on our forums.  Are we going to show you how we do things?  No.  As I mentioned, this is proprietary technology.

 

This, right here, is what I'm talking about.  You appear to have forgotten to include a competent business developer in that hundred+ people that have worked on the project.  If you had, he or she would have long since told you that when you claim to deliver the moon and stars, you have to have something to back it up if you want serious investment.  You can have as much on paper as you want - unless you can demonstrate a working model, or at the very least a non-scripted tech demo, serious investors will have nothing to do with you.

It also helps if you don't get hyperdefensive and attack skeptics, imply they're ignorant, etc.  What you SHOULD be doing is taking the immediate reactions of skeptics as areas where you need to release more information - particularly if, as you've pointed out, people are misunderstanding or getting the wrong idea.  So far I've never said that your game is a lie, can't work, etc.  I've pointed out that you have an incredibly ambitious project, and you've set an extremely high bar for yourself.  That is all.  I genuinely hope that your game works out as planned, and I genuinely hope that you get the funding you need to make it happen.  If it does, I'll be one of your players on day 1.

In the meantime, you might consider going and having a nice relaxing cup of tea, and then rereading what I've posted, and taking it as what it is, instead of trying to read it as me arguing that your project is doomed.  Just a thought.

I have drank my cup of tea, and will now conclude with this:  I understand where your skeptcism comes from, we are promising a lot.  Only we know for sure that we are delivering on that promise.  We will do so, and I will then invite you to come play.  I look forward to the day we enjoy a quest together in CoS.

 

 

  tomato_kwan

Novice Member

Joined: 1/30/08
Posts: 45

10/21/12 2:30:33 PM#62

The game does sound really nice........ I'm debating if I should put my buck on a nice dinner with my wife or this game.....

umm

must....consider.....

  User Deleted
10/21/12 2:47:32 PM#63
WOW.  Why have I never heard of this game before?  As an explorer first and foremost I cant believe this game slipped past my knowledge.  Must of been blinded by GW2 hype lol.  Anyways I just pledged $500 as everything I have read of the game sounds amazing.
  tomato_kwan

Novice Member

Joined: 1/30/08
Posts: 45

10/22/12 1:31:11 AM#64
Originally posted by Zylaxx
WOW.  Why have I never heard of this game before?  As an explorer first and foremost I cant believe this game slipped past my knowledge.  Must of been blinded by GW2 hype lol.  Anyways I just pledged $500 as everything I have read of the game sounds amazing.

I feel cheap for doing a $30 pledge......

  User Deleted
10/22/12 2:03:59 AM#65

If I woulden't have pleged all my cash an Star Citizen I sure would support this game aswell. Its a shame for this industry, that only the Indy Dev. can come up with inovations had have to finance them self over kickstarter.

I hope they make it!

  Jatar

Novice Member

Joined: 9/16/07
Posts: 329

Citadel of Sorcery dev team member

10/22/12 4:29:06 PM#66
Originally posted by morbuskabis

If I woulden't have pleged all my cash an Star Citizen I sure would support this game aswell. Its a shame for this industry, that only the Indy Dev. can come up with inovations had have to finance them self over kickstarter.

I hope they make it!

Actually, nothing will stop us from finishinig Citadel of Sorcery.  Things like Kickstarter are just options, not requirements.  We have self financed the building of an entire new engine and tool set, and we can and will do what it takes to make the rest of the game play work.  A big part of that is the incredible support of a small group of people who have donated millions of dollars. You  may not see that on the KS page, but trust me when I tell you that it has been donated, and continues to be donated.   They believes in this, and we're starting to convince some others as well.  The further we get , the more will be convinced, it's the snow ball affect.

We just wish people would give us the benefit of the doubt since we have so steadfastly continued to build exactly what we have promised for so long.   But, even severe doubters and skeptics can be convinced, they just need to see more than some people.  

We understand, but everyone could see it all working sooner if more people would believe now.

  Kyleran

Bitter Vet™

Joined: 9/13/06
Posts: 18716

Fools find no pleasure in understanding, but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV

10/22/12 4:45:09 PM#67
Originally posted by Jatar
Originally posted by morbuskabis

If I woulden't have pleged all my cash an Star Citizen I sure would support this game aswell. Its a shame for this industry, that only the Indy Dev. can come up with inovations had have to finance them self over kickstarter.

I hope they make it!

Actually, nothing will stop us from finishinig Citadel of Sorcery.  Things like Kickstarter are just options, not requirements.  We have self financed the building of an entire new engine and tool set, and we can and will do what it takes to make the rest of the game play work.  A big part of that is the incredible support of a small group of people who have donated millions of dollars. You  may not see that on the KS page, but trust me when I tell you that it has been donated, and continues to be donated.   They believes in this, and we're starting to convince some others as well.  The further we get , the more will be convinced, it's the snow ball affect.

We just wish people would give us the benefit of the doubt since we have so steadfastly continued to build exactly what we have promised for so long.   But, even severe doubters and skeptics can be convinced, they just need to see more than some people.  

We understand, but everyone could see it all working sooner if more people would believe now.

Donated?  Or Invested, there is a difference. 

Some of us are doubting Thomas's, but can you blame us, our experiences has been littered with broken promises and shattered dreams. 

"In these forums 'honest' seems to be a symonym for 'hates the game just like I do'" - ohioastro
Kyleran - Bitter Vet ™ since 2006
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon

  Jatar

Novice Member

Joined: 9/16/07
Posts: 329

Citadel of Sorcery dev team member

10/22/12 4:55:17 PM#68
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by Jatar
Originally posted by morbuskabis

If I woulden't have pleged all my cash an Star Citizen I sure would support this game aswell. Its a shame for this industry, that only the Indy Dev. can come up with inovations had have to finance them self over kickstarter.

I hope they make it!

Actually, nothing will stop us from finishinig Citadel of Sorcery.  Things like Kickstarter are just options, not requirements.  We have self financed the building of an entire new engine and tool set, and we can and will do what it takes to make the rest of the game play work.  A big part of that is the incredible support of a small group of people who have donated millions of dollars. You  may not see that on the KS page, but trust me when I tell you that it has been donated, and continues to be donated.   They believes in this, and we're starting to convince some others as well.  The further we get , the more will be convinced, it's the snow ball affect.

We just wish people would give us the benefit of the doubt since we have so steadfastly continued to build exactly what we have promised for so long.   But, even severe doubters and skeptics can be convinced, they just need to see more than some people.  

We understand, but everyone could see it all working sooner if more people would believe now.

Donated?  Or Invested, there is a difference. 

Some of us are doubting Thomas's, but can you blame us, our experiences has been littered with broken promises and shattered dreams. 

Both.  

  Jaedor

Advanced Member

Joined: 8/17/09
Posts: 785

11/02/12 12:23:57 PM#69

I donated on the KS page and hope you guys get all the funding.


I do think it's interesting that this project hasn't captured more interest. Need more marketing? Need to jump on the hype train? Need to give out more info in places and less info in others? I wonder if people just think it's all BS because it's over the top...


Good luck, guys. Lots of blood, sweat and tears invested in this one.

  Crunchy222

Apprentice Member

Joined: 10/09/12
Posts: 390

11/02/12 10:59:20 PM#70

I think most games out there certainly dont lack promises, hype, and good ideas.  What ends up lacking is the execution of these ideas.

While theres been countless games who have started on fantastic ideas with a laundry list of features we all want, ew if any have been able to successfully exectute them in a manner that is both unique and enjoyable.

Most unique indy games hit a wall with delivering a smooth/fluid and entertaining combat, the foundation of a good mmorpg.  Others end up promising groundbreaking and revolutionary ideas that when executed is just the same old repackaged, GW2 did this quite successfully, it was obvious too, but many bit the hype and were in too deep to change their minds when it became apparent.

 

Dont hype this game untill its ready to go, indy developers have burned more mmorpg players than havent, and people are sick of getting behind good ideas on paper that turn out to be unplayable, unfun, and anything but unique when executed.

 

I applaud when developers stick to their guns, their vision, and ignore the cries from the zombies who want every game they play to be exactly the same, easy, and lacking of any risk tied into their rewards.

 

My issue with this game is simple.  I hear a lot a vauge "good ideas" that i have no idea how it will be executed.  I find solid and final information about what the game will be like again vauge.  Yeah exploration...how...why...what will be unique about it ect?  Exploration is good, but not when its forced, surprises are key to exploration and it stops being exploration when you need an npc to give you a reward for going there.

Aside from that...the basics of this game, the pvp/pve ruleset...the combat...the endgame...all the important factors to longevity...not sure what they are and its hard to get behind a game without knowing all this in detail.

 

 

Again...everything is so vauge and adding the usual buzzwords doesnt help convice me, maybe others it will...but im not sure what information others are going off of to convice them to donate money.

 

I wish this the best of luck, but untill theres specifics, demonstarations with gameplay footage...this is just another game with a lot of buzzwords.

  adam_nox

Hard Core Member

Joined: 7/31/06
Posts: 2047

11/02/12 11:26:19 PM#71
this does not currently seem to have a snowballs chance in hell of getting funded, though I wish it did.
  Pellagren

Novice Member

Joined: 8/10/08
Posts: 30

11/03/12 7:10:51 AM#72
Originally posted by Crunchy222

I think most games out there certainly dont lack promises, hype, and good ideas.  What ends up lacking is the execution of these ideas.

While theres been countless games who have started on fantastic ideas with a laundry list of features we all want, ew if any have been able to successfully exectute them in a manner that is both unique and enjoyable.

Most unique indy games hit a wall with delivering a smooth/fluid and entertaining combat, the foundation of a good mmorpg.  Others end up promising groundbreaking and revolutionary ideas that when executed is just the same old repackaged, GW2 did this quite successfully, it was obvious too, but many bit the hype and were in too deep to change their minds when it became apparent.

 

Dont hype this game untill its ready to go, indy developers have burned more mmorpg players than havent, and people are sick of getting behind good ideas on paper that turn out to be unplayable, unfun, and anything but unique when executed.

 

I applaud when developers stick to their guns, their vision, and ignore the cries from the zombies who want every game they play to be exactly the same, easy, and lacking of any risk tied into their rewards.

 

My issue with this game is simple.  I hear a lot a vauge "good ideas" that i have no idea how it will be executed.  I find solid and final information about what the game will be like again vauge.  Yeah exploration...how...why...what will be unique about it ect?  Exploration is good, but not when its forced, surprises are key to exploration and it stops being exploration when you need an npc to give you a reward for going there.

Aside from that...the basics of this game, the pvp/pve ruleset...the combat...the endgame...all the important factors to longevity...not sure what they are and its hard to get behind a game without knowing all this in detail.

 

 

Again...everything is so vauge and adding the usual buzzwords doesnt help convice me, maybe others it will...but im not sure what information others are going off of to convice them to donate money.

 

I wish this the best of luck, but untill theres specifics, demonstarations with gameplay footage...this is just another game with a lot of buzzwords.

Yep.  I also have been disappointed over the years with games promising and then not delivering.  However, moving forward, you are either an optomist or a pessimist.  I know we cannot see a working model of the systems they have created, but I find fault with you accusing them of not providing details.  They have many posts on forums and on their home page detailing many systems they will be using.  Surely, at a pre-alpha stage, you don't expect them to show everything to the competition who can then parasitize all of their ideas?

I have enjoyed gaming since I was a little boy with Atari.  I still want to believe that there are great games out there being developed that will be fun to play and keep my interest for a long time.  The past several years of gaming for me has been very disappointing.  No game has managed to keep my attention for more than a month or so.  It is a sad state of affairs.  So, again, moving forward, you are either an optomist or a pessimist.  I choose to be an optomist.  I reasearch a lot of games, and this is the one I have chosen to follow and support.  Donating money to their cause is not an issue for me.  I spend a lot more money on my mortgage, bills and other leisure activities, so this is just my small nod to a group of people trying to shake up the genre.  For me, it is money well spent, and my hope lives eternal.

 

  Dakirn

Advanced Member

Joined: 2/16/04
Posts: 356

 
OP  11/03/12 12:37:14 PM#73
Originally posted by Crunchy222

Again...everything is so vauge and adding the usual buzzwords doesnt help convice me, maybe others it will...but im not sure what information others are going off of to convice them to donate money.

 

Everything you asked about has been detailed as much as possible on their forums.  It's Pre-Alpha.  Not Alpha. Not Beta. Not shipping in a few months. Pre-Alpha.

 

If you think they're going to show you how they do things other people say are "impossible".. I think you're going to be disappointed. The whole point is that they spent 8+ years developing and designing how to do it.

 

Would you throw your proprietary ideas and how you accomplished them up on the web, after years and millions of R&D so that other people could take them?

 

Just look at this year's PAX panel where the top developers were saying some of these features were needed, but they had no idea how to do them.  Do you really think that would sit back and say "wow, good job figuring it out!" if it was all explained and in the open for them to use?

 

No, they would be running off to their teams to write the exact same thing first.

 

Gaming is a cut throat industry.  It's why most companies don't show ANYTHING until late Alpha or Beta, and ESPECIALLY not HOW they do things.

 

If you REALLY want to know something, rather than just posting about your doubt because you don't want to research or read their site, you could go register on their forums and ASK THEM.  They are extremely open (up to a point) with everything.

  Convo

Hard Core Member

Joined: 12/07/05
Posts: 169

11/07/12 10:08:51 AM#74

These people are a fraud.  I got banned from thier site for exposing them.  Basically they decided to start a raffle with the KS program.  They clained anyone who donated to KS would be entered into the raffle.  I posted about how I got the vibe they would not honor thier claims and evetually started a new funding project on thier own site asking for money using the raffle.  That's exactly what happen.. They claimed it happen because Kickstarter canceled the raffle as it was against the terms of the site.. BTW.. they also "lost" access to everyone emails who donated on KS.  SO now they have to repledge on thier site to get a chance at a raffle.  It's a total scam and people need to understand this was their plan all along with the raffle program.  They never intended to honor the program.  It's a money grab.  This game has basically no info and nothing more than a demo.. Fund at you own risk but i'm betting you never see a real return on your money as this game will never hit the market. 

 

They deleted my post from the site.. After they killed my access.. Anyone following games long enough should be able to take a look at what they actually have and know it's BS.

  Pellagren

Novice Member

Joined: 8/10/08
Posts: 30

11/07/12 11:30:15 AM#75
Originally posted by Convo

These people are a fraud.  I got banned from thier site for exposing them.  Basically they decided to start a raffle with the KS program.  They clained anyone who donated to KS would be entered into the raffle.  I posted about how I got the vibe they would not honor thier claims and evetually started a new funding project on thier own site asking for money using the raffle.  That's exactly what happen.. They claimed it happen because Kickstarter canceled the raffle as it was against the terms of the site.. BTW.. they also "lost" access to everyone emails who donated on KS.  SO now they have to repledge on thier site to get a chance at a raffle.  It's a total scam and people need to understand this was their plan all along with the raffle program.  They never intended to honor the program.  It's a money grab.  This game has basically no info and nothing more than a demo.. Fund at you own risk but i'm betting you never see a real return on your money as this game will never hit the market. 

 

They deleted my post from the site.. After they killed my access.. Anyone following games long enough should be able to take a look at what they actually have and know it's BS.

Novice member claiming fraud.  So, am I to believe that you write all of this because you care about me and are concerned about what I do with my money?  Surely, you jest.  Also, I am not looking for a return on my money.  This is not investing.  This is donating to help a cause that many of us believe in. 

I will continue to both support and follow this project.  But thanks for your heartfelt deep concern anyway.  It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside to know I have a guardian angel looking after my well being.

  Convo

Hard Core Member

Joined: 12/07/05
Posts: 169

11/07/12 12:04:57 PM#76
Originally posted by Pellagren
Originally posted by Convo

These people are a fraud.  I got banned from thier site for exposing them.  Basically they decided to start a raffle with the KS program.  They clained anyone who donated to KS would be entered into the raffle.  I posted about how I got the vibe they would not honor thier claims and evetually started a new funding project on thier own site asking for money using the raffle.  That's exactly what happen.. They claimed it happen because Kickstarter canceled the raffle as it was against the terms of the site.. BTW.. they also "lost" access to everyone emails who donated on KS.  SO now they have to repledge on thier site to get a chance at a raffle.  It's a total scam and people need to understand this was their plan all along with the raffle program.  They never intended to honor the program.  It's a money grab.  This game has basically no info and nothing more than a demo.. Fund at you own risk but i'm betting you never see a real return on your money as this game will never hit the market. 

 

They deleted my post from the site.. After they killed my access.. Anyone following games long enough should be able to take a look at what they actually have and know it's BS.

Novice member claiming fraud.  So, am I to believe that you write all of this because you care about me and are concerned about what I do with my money?  Surely, you jest.  Also, I am not looking for a return on my money.  This is not investing.  This is donating to help a cause that many of us believe in. 

I will continue to both support and follow this project.  But thanks for your heartfelt deep concern anyway.  It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside to know I have a guardian angel looking after my well being.

Do what you want.  It's your money. Just remember this post:-)  Or actualy research yourself.. better yet ask Kickstarter if they really prohibited that raffle on their site!?  Don't take my word for anything.  Look into it yourself.

 

P.S. We have the same amount of posts on this site.. I've just been a memeber a lot longer..=P

  Mari2k

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/18/07
Posts: 381

11/07/12 12:13:21 PM#77

Big fail !

Here you see the reason why sandbox games for mmo-fanatics will never rise. Couse this kind of gamers are not willing to pay any money. They want everything for free... maybe it has something to do that "much free time for mmo" is equal to "no job in rl".

  BadSpock

Hard Core Member

Joined: 8/21/04
Posts: 7677

Logic be damned!

11/07/12 12:17:58 PM#78
Sorry CoS, 253 backers...

Now Playing: D3:RoS, Watch Dogs
Looking Towards: Destiny

  moguy2

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/20/12
Posts: 360

Wish I had something positive to say =(

11/07/12 12:21:08 PM#79
Its one of those things that give people  something to say oooo and aahhhh over. Then it hits the shelves and all the oooooo and ahhhhing seems to stop abruptly.
  Convo

Hard Core Member

Joined: 12/07/05
Posts: 169

11/07/12 12:21:57 PM#80
Originally posted by Mari2k

Big fail !

Here you see the reason why sandbox games for mmo-fanatics will never rise. Couse this kind of gamers are not willing to pay any money. They want everything for free... maybe it has something to do that "much free time for mmo" is equal to "no job in rl".

There are plenty of people willing to pay.  Just about any OLD EQ players will pay for EQN if it's truely a sandbox. 

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