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Citadel of Sorcery Forum » General Discussion » CoS kickstarter???? I think this is out of place

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  MMOman101

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OP  10/09/12 1:46:46 PM#1

So I have seen a few threads about this now, and I have asked the question, that seems to be overlooked or not interesting enough.

 

The game started development in 2005, that is 7+ years ago.

 

I think "kickstart" implies at the begining.  The idea being that a team needs initial funding and can use a kickstart. 

 

This honestly seems like an abuse of the system.  It is a way to generate money, without any real ties to anything or anyone. 

 

I will be honest, I was interested in this game in 2009 (I think, it was years ago who the hell remembers that kind of stuff) and I wish them all the best with thier game.  I just think this is the wrong way to use kickstrater.  If this works for them I can see people putting up a website and throwing together some info over 12 months and then going to kick starter for a quick vaporware grab.

 

I know slippery slope logic is slippery at best, but I don't like this play at all and feel it will lead to abuse in the system.  Devs who know their project is going to fail and never make it out could just go to kickstarter and recoup some of their losses off of the back of the gaming community.

 

I am NOT saying this is what is happening here, so please do not think that is what I am saying. 

 

This just does not sit well with me.  Their game has been in development for far to long at this point.  They should be taking pre-orders, not asking for money via kickstarter. 

  Dakirn

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Posts: 360

10/09/12 2:12:54 PM#2

I'm not sure if you watch the other games on Kickstarter, but pretty much every video game is either non-existant or close to release.  They're not doing anything different than almost every other game that posts there.

 

For those of us who have been watching the game and their forums since they announced it years ago they've been open and honest about sharing screenshots and development updates.  They have developer logs going back years stating their progress on their sites that have been posted for years.

 

It's not a quick moneygrab.  I also believe Kickstarter researches these projects before they approve them and weed out the suspicious ones.  It would be majorly determental to KS to ever have a big project do what you describe and I'd bet they do whatever they can do stop them from even starting.

  Jatar

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Joined: 9/16/07
Posts: 329

Citadel of Sorcery dev team member

10/09/12 3:04:22 PM#3

Hey, as a member of the MMO Magic, Inc. team, for all of those years you mentioned, I thought I would chime in.  Certainly Kickstarter implies something starting.  In our case this is the start of ANY funding.  Meaning, up until now, not one cent of funding from any outside group has been put into this project.  No investors, no banks, no publishers.

We spent most of the years up to now making an engine, tools and design, and building enough to make sure it all works.  Now we are entering the real game building moment, the start of something new. 

So in our case, Kickstarter means the funding that will help the game get to Alpha.   This is our moment to 'kickstart' the project to a fully playble version, taking the design, engine and tools we have, and allowing us to build the content needed to get to Alpha.

Kickstarter was fully aware of all these facts when they launched our project, and agree that this is a project worth running.

  MMOman101

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OP  10/09/12 3:12:08 PM#4
Originally posted by Jatar

Hey, as a member of the MMO Magic, Inc. team, for all of those years you mentioned, I thought I would chime in.  Certainly Kickstarter implies something starting.  In our case this is the start of ANY funding.  Meaning, up until now, not one cent of funding from any outside group has been put into this project.  No investors, no banks, no publishers.

We spent most of the years up to now making an engine, tools and design, and building enough to make sure it all works.  Now we are entering the real game building moment, the start of something new. 

So in our case, Kickstarter means the funding that will help the game get to Alpha.   This is our moment to 'kickstart' the project to a fully playble version, taking the design, engine and tools we have, and allowing us to build the content needed to get to Alpha.

Kickstarter was fully aware of all these facts when they launched our project, and agree that this is a project worth running.

I am not accusing you or your team of any foul play.

 

Years ago I got into a long discussion with you (I think), about the game here on this forum (I think).  I really do hope the game comes out with everything that is being touted. 

 

Lord help you if it doesn't.

  MMOman101

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Posts: 1204

 
OP  10/09/12 3:23:40 PM#5
Originally posted by Dakirn

I'm not sure if you watch the other games on Kickstarter, but pretty much every video game is either non-existant or close to release.  They're not doing anything different than almost every other game that posts there.

 

For those of us who have been watching the game and their forums since they announced it years ago they've been open and honest about sharing screenshots and development updates.  They have developer logs going back years stating their progress on their sites that have been posted for years.

 

It's not a quick moneygrab.  I also believe Kickstarter researches these projects before they approve them and weed out the suspicious ones.  It would be majorly determental to KS to ever have a big project do what you describe and I'd bet they do whatever they can do stop them from even starting.

Kickstarter has been around for 3 years and has produced very few video game finished products.  It is way to early to tell how strong their system is when it comes to the video game industry.

 

I would venture to bet at least one person will take money from them and either not produce a game or produce one that is so utterly broken that people feel like there robbed, even if they were not. 

  MyGoodFellow

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Posts: 7

10/09/12 3:52:02 PM#6
Many times this happens because the developers doing the Kickstarter funding project don't grasp the real amount of money needed to fund the project and so they underestimate the funding needed.
  SirBalin

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10/09/12 3:54:14 PM#7
Originally posted by MMOman101

So I have seen a few threads about this now, and I have asked the question, that seems to be overlooked or not interesting enough.

 

The game started development in 2005, that is 7+ years ago.

 

I think "kickstart" implies at the begining.  The idea being that a team needs initial funding and can use a kickstart. 

 

This honestly seems like an abuse of the system.  It is a way to generate money, without any real ties to anything or anyone. 

 

I will be honest, I was interested in this game in 2009 (I think, it was years ago who the hell remembers that kind of stuff) and I wish them all the best with thier game.  I just think this is the wrong way to use kickstrater.  If this works for them I can see people putting up a website and throwing together some info over 12 months and then going to kick starter for a quick vaporware grab.

 

I know slippery slope logic is slippery at best, but I don't like this play at all and feel it will lead to abuse in the system.  Devs who know their project is going to fail and never make it out could just go to kickstarter and recoup some of their losses off of the back of the gaming community.

 

I am NOT saying this is what is happening here, so please do not think that is what I am saying. 

 

This just does not sit well with me.  Their game has been in development for far to long at this point.  They should be taking pre-orders, not asking for money via kickstarter. 

I don't get this at all...they are much further along...they tried to do it without funding, now realize they need it...I see nothing wrong, they aren't hiding anything.

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  Isane

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10/09/12 4:45:47 PM#8
Originally posted by MMOman101

So I have seen a few threads about this now, and I have asked the question, that seems to be overlooked or not interesting enough.


This just does not sit well with me.  Their game has been in development for far to long at this point.  They should be taking pre-orders, not asking for money via kickstarter. 

I think you have a misplaced post here as , Kickstarter has a good reputation and they seem to disagree with you.

The Game tools have been in development , you seem i'll informed and a little bitter. Some of us are happy for this game to potentially get through Alpha. You should take your concerns up with Kickstarter. I would look up your last post but I remember you being as i'll informed then as you appear now.

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  moguy2

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Wish I had something positive to say =(

10/09/12 4:52:57 PM#9
I have 59.99 burning a whole in my pocket AGAIN!! Help me waste it some where please. Or direct me in the right direction.
  Jatar

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Posts: 329

Citadel of Sorcery dev team member

10/09/12 5:16:47 PM#10
Originally posted by moguy2
I have 59.99 burning a whole in my pocket AGAIN!! Help me waste it some where please. Or direct me in the right direction.

Sure, Moguy2, since you asked...

 

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mmomagic/citadel-of-sorcery-mmorpg

 

At least enjoy the video!  Fun stuff.

  moguy2

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Wish I had something positive to say =(

10/09/12 5:27:51 PM#11
Originally posted by Jatar
Originally posted by moguy2
I have 59.99 burning a whole in my pocket AGAIN!! Help me waste it some where please. Or direct me in the right direction.

Sure, Moguy2, since you asked...

 

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mmomagic/citadel-of-sorcery-mmorpg

 

At least enjoy the video!  Fun stuff.

You seem decent man. Ill check it out.

  User Deleted
10/10/12 7:03:29 AM#12
The game's not yet approved by a publisher. They have a good idea and already have something to "show" to investors. I think kickstarter is relevant to this. Unfortunately, with customer sentiment lately, it's probably a "necessary evil", kinda like hosting.
  Amana

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10/10/12 1:16:13 PM#13
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