Originally posted by Agricola1

Originally posted by ScribZ

Originally posted by Agricola1

Being nice to people on a forum a good game does not make. It might make you feel less insecure, it may boost your confidence that they will overhaul the combat in Xyson so that it's no longer representative of a shitty 1980's beat 'em up programmed by a dyslexic with one eye, three fingers and attention defecit issues.

If MHS developers started a media blitz of smoking pole would it improve the game? No. Also to be quite honest MHS does as good a job of any at communicating what's happening. I don't need to be patronised or humoured by them, I just need information and they provide that on their forums. If you feel you're getting a better deal on the Xyson forums then good for you. I'm sure once it has launched however they'll have enough to do between fixing the game and having haters tearing them a new butt hole without pandering to those that would rather play the forums than the game! 

 Well I think if we just read that sentance you put there which I highlighted in red we get a perfect picture of how you feel about the game Xsyon. And every other opinion of yours about the game becomes irrelivant after that doesn't it. I mean seriously, you dont give a rats ass how much the devs of that game communiticate to you, you hate the game, you will always hate the game until they fix what you feel is that bad. So lets cut through all the other BS your spoonin up there and just go with the truth. Your biased, you hate Xsyon combat and cannot comment on any other part of it , the communication, or the community of that game at all past that point.

In the immortal words of a member of the Xsyon community....umadbro?

 

 Let's cut through the BS then, yes I am biased. No I don't "hate" Xyson but I do think the combat is sub par even for a 1980's beat 'em up on the Comodore 64. I like Dtox's description as it reminds me of a happy slapping taken on a mobile phone then posted on youtube.

What I don't do is go to the Xyson forums and QQ and bash a game I don't play because it falls below even my lowest standards. I get it, you like Xyson and I get that you think the DEV team is really good at communicating with the community compared to MHS. However I just don't care, in fact anybody that is posting on these forums due to an interest in ER probably doesn't care either.

So no, I'm not mad bro and no I don't hate Xyson bro but neither do I get butt hurt on the Xyson forums because I think ER combat is light years ahead, nor do I feel the need to rub peoples faces in it . In fact most of us are advising others to hold off on trying ER for a month or two until performance issues are addressed. This type of thread is nothing but flame bait probably made because people are bored waiting for Xyson. 

Well said. 

There's a fair bit of brown nosing taking place amongst these forums lately!

Originally posted by ScribZ

Originally posted by Agricola1

Being nice to people on a forum a good game does not make. It might make you feel less insecure, it may boost your confidence that they will overhaul the combat in Xyson so that it's no longer representative of a shitty 1980's beat 'em up programmed by a dyslexic with one eye, three fingers and attention defecit issues.

If MHS developers started a media blitz of smoking pole would it improve the game? No. Also to be quite honest MHS does as good a job of any at communicating what's happening. I don't need to be patronised or humoured by them, I just need information and they provide that on their forums. If you feel you're getting a better deal on the Xyson forums then good for you. I'm sure once it has launched however they'll have enough to do between fixing the game and having haters tearing them a new butt hole without pandering to those that would rather play the forums than the game! 

 Well I think if we just read that sentance you put there which I highlighted in red we get a perfect picture of how you feel about the game Xsyon. And every other opinion of yours about the game becomes irrelivant after that doesn't it. I mean seriously, you dont give a rats ass how much the devs of that game communiticate to you, you hate the game, you will always hate the game until they fix what you feel is that bad. So lets cut through all the other BS your spoonin up there and just go with the truth. Your biased, you hate Xsyon combat and cannot comment on any other part of it , the communication, or the community of that game at all past that point.

In the immortal words of a member of the Xsyon community....umadbro?

 

The dev communication from Xsyon has been very good.

But, communication and results are two very different things.  Let's not forget that, with the new launch date, Xsyon will be exactly 1 year late.  And, for all the ballyhoo about them not releasing "before it's ready", they are doing just that.  Xsyon is an incomplete game - from the combat, to useless buildings, to everything else that will be put in the game from the features list "at some time in the future".

As someone that preordered almost a year ago, I can tell you that they've been communicating their ineptitude quite clearly.  From their initial estimates on release dates which were WAY off, to exceedingly slow implementation of features, to the current incomplete game, they've communicated throughout, but performed just as badly as any other indie company out there.

Fans gloss over the fact that, from a historical perspective, the Xsyon early access launch counts as one of the worst in MMO history.  How many other early access launches have begun with monumental lag causing an unprecedented number of problems in-game?  Servers are a large part of the problem, but because this game never had a real stress test of any kind, I'll be surprised if it turns out to be the only problem.  Ultimately, it is resulting in a two week delay in the full launch, and a server wipe.  While most games have launch problems, few rise to the level that Xsyon has had.

Yes, I understand that Notorious is a very small, indie game company.  And, I'm personally very interested in playing the game.  But no other game companies, indie for AAA, have gotten the type of kid glove treatment many of the Xsyon fans seem to be expecting here for this type of debacle.

Communication is important, and I'm sure they could do better with Earthrise.  But no amount of communication will make a faulty, unfinished game better.  From that perspective, Xsyon is probably worse off than Earthrise.

Oddly enough, there appears to be a concerted effort by some Xsyon fans to insert themselves into the forums of every other game.

Originally posted by Rohn

Originally posted by ScribZ

Originally posted by Agricola1

Being nice to people on a forum a good game does not make. It might make you feel less insecure, it may boost your confidence that they will overhaul the combat in Xyson so that it's no longer representative of a shitty 1980's beat 'em up programmed by a dyslexic with one eye, three fingers and attention defecit issues.

If MHS developers started a media blitz of smoking pole would it improve the game? No. Also to be quite honest MHS does as good a job of any at communicating what's happening. I don't need to be patronised or humoured by them, I just need information and they provide that on their forums. If you feel you're getting a better deal on the Xyson forums then good for you. I'm sure once it has launched however they'll have enough to do between fixing the game and having haters tearing them a new butt hole without pandering to those that would rather play the forums than the game! 

 Well I think if we just read that sentance you put there which I highlighted in red we get a perfect picture of how you feel about the game Xsyon. And every other opinion of yours about the game becomes irrelivant after that doesn't it. I mean seriously, you dont give a rats ass how much the devs of that game communiticate to you, you hate the game, you will always hate the game until they fix what you feel is that bad. So lets cut through all the other BS your spoonin up there and just go with the truth. Your biased, you hate Xsyon combat and cannot comment on any other part of it , the communication, or the community of that game at all past that point.

In the immortal words of a member of the Xsyon community....umadbro?

 

 

The dev communication from Xsyon has been very good.

But, communication and results are two very different things.  Let's not forget that, with the new launch date, Xsyon will be exactly 1 year late.  And, for all the ballyhoo about them not releasing "before it's ready", they are doing just that.  Xsyon is an incomplete game - from the combat, to useless buildings, to everything else that will be put in the game from the features list "at some time in the future".

As someone that preordered almost a year ago, I can tell you that they've been communicating their ineptitude quite clearly.  From their initial estimates on release dates which were WAY off, to exceedingly slow implementation of features, to the current incomplete game, they've communicated throughout, but performed just as badly as any other indie company out there.

Fans gloss over the fact that, from a historical perspective, the Xsyon early access launch counts as one of the worst in MMO history.  How many other early access launches have begun with monumental lag causing an unprecedented number of problems in-game?  Servers are a large part of the problem, but because this game never had a real stress test of any kind, I'll be surprised if it turns out to be the only problem.  Ultimately, it is resulting in a two week delay in the full launch, and a server wipe.  While most games have launch problems, few rise to the level that Xsyon has had.

Yes, I understand that Notorious is a very small, indie game company.  And, I'm personally very interested in playing the game.  But no other game companies, indie for AAA, have gotten the type of kid glove treatment many of the Xsyon fans seem to be expecting here for this type of debacle.

Communication is important, and I'm sure they could do better with Earthrise.  But no amount of communication will make a faulty, unfinished game better.  From that perspective, Xsyon is probably worse off than Earthrise.

Oddly enough, there appears to be a concerted effort by some Xsyon fans to insert themselves into the forums of every other game.

You must have never played Earthrise. Its a far bigger disaster than Xsyon and ER has an 80 man team wo worked 5 years to produce the disaster that they released. They also posponed launch for year. 

Xsyon was bad the first day of prerelease. Once the download server stopped being overloaded the game is completely playable. Did bugs pop up? Yes.  But there has already  been large improvements after just a few days. Are all the features ever promised currently ingame? No. but lets not compare that to Earthrise who is missing almost all of its sandbox features.

There probably is no reasoning with you. So lets just agree to disagree. You play earthrise and enjoy the game in which the game producer thinks the state of the game is good considering the size of the team and the time it took to develop. A game that was release client is still in debug mode. A game that took some 1-2 weeks to even get working keys to access the game. A game that will get its first client side patch almost 3 weaks after release. Oh I am sorry there were several server side patches. IS that the East coast server as they claim. HMMm why are players posted tracer info on the official forums that shows the game is still connecting to the same california server that it was in beta. A game that claimed it was waiting to implement Territory control only so that players could level up. Yet in last weeks development update they state "5. The siege interface is almost complete. We are very excited to see it and test it.

6. The siege buildings are ready. We will share some previews and information about them later this month."

I will play Xsyon who yes has its bugs and missing features, but after only 3 days of prerelease has already patched both client and server and has communicated with us honestly and there has been nothing to make us think otherwise.

Originally posted by Arquiteto

Originally posted by Rohn

Originally posted by ScribZ

Originally posted by Agricola1

 You play earthrise and enjoy the game in which the game producer thinks the state of the game is good considering the size of the team and the time it took to develop.

 

Which is bigger then many AAA mmo's. Lets not forget that Xsyons dedicated dev team is ONE guy, with 4-5  other people that switch in and out. ER has 80 people yet produces this.

 

 

I love Xsyon and hate Earthrise :D

The only good thing about Earthrise is, that I read so much about Xsyon on the discussions everywhere, that I read more about Xsyon and now playing it happily.

Xsyon got some problems too, but they havent even launched the game yet, so they can still fix all bugs and lag. And they told me from beginning which features are in and which are not.

So it was no bad suprise when I logged in. Everything was like I expected it, even better. And I like to read on the forum what the Devs are doing, what they are planing and so on.

This feels really like an MMO going to be released in 3 weeks, not like this strange crazy release from Earthrise.

So as I said, the only good thing about earthrise is, that it brought me to Xsyon :)

This thread is nothing but flame bait, although I do find it amusing that a bunch of Xsyon players come to these forums to bash ER. Is Xsyon really that uninteresting that you would rather troll another games forums than play? Curious. Might check on Xsyon in about 6 months also once there is enough to keep players in the game I guess.

Its just that Earthrise deserves to be flamed. And its a way for people to let out their anger and disapointment. And yes, I feel better after it, and I'm allowed to do it, because I played €50 to be angry.

I bought both games, so I can talk about both of them as much as I like ;) And switching to xsyon waas the best I could have done. But still, there is big anger in me about Earthrise and what they did to us  people. Just look at  Earthrise rating and Rating-comments. And then look at Xsyon. I think soooo many disappointed people earned the right to flame as much as they like. Burn this game down! ;)

Well I actually got both games, and I do follow both forums. ER has a very nice combat system, that could become fantastic if they sort out the lag etc. But Xsyon sure has more sand in their box atm imho. When it comes to communication I think Xsyon wins this one for sure. I get daily update there by the devs, while ERs devs just now took down the game, and didn´t say it was for the patch until asked, and haven´t even got any patch notes ready yet. They "are writing them now". Sure feels abit strange. But I do hope ERs patch fixes some of the exploits etc, and I do hope Xsyon sorts it´s shit with the new servers etc. I´m gonna stick with both checking them out and see who will win my main focus.

This is unbelievable how some people compare the pathetic game Xsyon to anything on the market, not only Earthrise.

Now back on topic, Earthrise devs communicate more than they are supposed to, check their number of posts on the official forums, Ostiak has 78 posts, which is an average of 4 posts a day. This whole topic is ridiculus, you cannot compare games by how much the devs talk to the community.

What is this thread doing in Earthrise forums?

I mean really... I'm playing Xsyon and all and am impressed with their communication skills (sorry ER folks but they ARE pushing all the right buttons in that regard) but I really don't understand why come here and flame people. This is all turning into a pointless "my game is better than yours!" shouting match.

Move this to the Pub please and lets have some kind of a grown up discussion on "what is the proper way to communicate with your subscribers, regardless of the game's actual quality" which is what this thread purports to be.

its not really about comparing how many posts the devs have on the forum, its comparing how the companies react to the problems of their released game.

Xsyon already had a patch after weekend, and the devs and mods where in the chat, talking about the problems that just happened. And they immidiatly posted on the forum about the problem and what is going to happen. And once a day there is an update how they solve the problems.

Earthrise still think their game is in a "good" state and didnt even reacted when the game was a mess after release. And still,  getting information what is going on is reaaly rare on earthrise. The Devs dont show up in game, the havent even posted an official statement to their awefull release and noone really knows thats going on.

These are just 2 totally different qualities of communications and involvement of the people who paid them. Xsyon was even intelligent enough to make a prerelease to see if something unexpected happens.

I experianced both releases, and both had problems (earthrise had many more problems when released and still got after 2 weeks) and it was a totally different quality of release.

Xsyon imiddiatly searched the problem, and announced that they are going to get more and better servers now. The release has been moved to middle of march and the server will be wiped. That information was announced just 2 days after release.

Noone knows yet what is happening to Earthrise. Thousand of people just sit there and hope for information, even weeks after official release.

This thread is just about comparing the release reaction of xsyon to the reaction of earthrise. And everyone has to admit that xsyon won. Just watch the ratings here on mmorpg.com. We dont even need to talk about it here, its totally obvisiouly which game succeeded ;)

Originally posted by Pilnkplonk

What is this thread doing in Earthrise forums?

I mean really... I'm playing Xsyon and all and am impressed with their communication skills (sorry ER folks but they ARE pushing all the right buttons in that regard) but I really don't understand why come here and flame people. This is all turning into a pointless "my game is better than yours!" shouting match.

Move this to the Pub please and lets have some kind of a grown up discussion on "what is the proper way to communicate with your subscribers, regardless of the game's actual quality" which is what this thread purports to be.

I think this thread is more for people who bought earthrise and xsyon and experianced both releases. Why not compare two Sandbox games that got released at the same time? And there are many people who got both games. for me it was first earthrise, and then I went to xsyon, because I was so disappointed.

so I think this discussion isnt that pointless. Two games, Sandbox, sci-fi, PVP games, released at the same time with server and game problems. And at the moment, I just feel better by having Xsyon, without it, I would still be angry all the time that I lost €50 and have no game to play. And comparing these both just seems naturally ;)

But its true that is not really going somewhere, I think its mostly for us angry people to have some others with the same thoughts to feel a bit better

Originally posted by Dereknor

This thread is just about comparing the release reaction of xsyon to the reaction of earthrise. And everyone has to admit that xsyon won.

Unfortunately no one really wins when a game (ER) comes out like this.  It's bad for the community as a whole, and definitely bad for the people who spent their money on a completely unfinished product.  It tells developers that it is ok to release an alpha stage product and people will buy it, even at $50. 

On a side note, I see ER finally released a patch today.  Was it the miracle patch all were hoping for?  Looked like it had some decent changes, but most of it seemed to be no brainer stuff that should have already been in there for fixed before the game was released.

Originally posted by Worstluck

 

 

Unfortunately no one really wins when a game (ER) comes out like this.  It's bad for the community as a whole, and definitely bad for the people who spent their money on a completely unfinished product.  It tells developers that it is ok to release an alpha stage product and people will buy it, even at $50. 

 

You are right.  No one does win when it comes out like this.  I just got Xyson and appreciate the communication we have gotten but don't appreciate the state of things currently. 

Originally posted by Dereknor

I experianced both releases, and both had problems (earthrise had many more problems when released and still got after 2 weeks) and it was a totally different quality of release.

  

Well, Xsyon still has 4 weeks until release, it has not released, just the pre-release which is like beta kind of.

 

Originally posted by mgilbrtsn

Originally posted by D_TOX

Originally posted by Yalexy

 

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Originally posted by D_TOX

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Originally posted by ScribZ
But, which one would you rather have? Me, Xsyon.

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Sincerity doesn't make a good game. I couldn't care less how empathetic the dev team are to the communities insecurity, as long as the game progresses/improves thats all that counts to me. 

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The problem with Masthead is, that they don't listen to their players at all actually and only followe their so called "plan".

If they would listen, then they would've changed alot of their stuff during beta allready, and I'm speaking of beta a few month ago.

You're so wrong though. There's an entire forum dedicated to the community's wishes. Guess what, they have a plan because they're professional developers. Do you think they just sit around twiddling their thumbs waiting for people like you to tell them what to do? lol. Use your head a little. 

I watch both forums and played both games.  I can honestly say that the communication is much better on the Xsyon site.  I know that ER has a dedicated section on what players would like to see, but I haven't seen any actual implementation of these ideas or indeed player suggestions (of course I could be wrong, because I don't see every aspect of the game.  Xsyon on the other hand I have seen direct and responsive changes made based on the communities feedback.  To me, this is the most telling point on which game has the best dev/player relationship.

 This could be a bad thing, as the loudest players could become too loud of a voice and dictate what gets implemented and what doesn't. It could mean the developers have lack of vision of the game because they have to ask players for what to do.

Not saying this is the case. Just a scenario.

In Xsyon I found an exploit and was easily able to PM Jooky directly (his game) and he replied within an hour saying, "Great catch! We can block this.  Thank you very much!"

Does not get much better than this.

How can people honestly compare the 2 games communication wise?

Masthead wouldn't even have posted Patchnotes if there hadn't been like 3-4 whine threads and shitload more posts demanding them. It took em a week to start posting server updates again after lots of complaining from the playerbase.

But seriously Masthead should talk more.... it's pretty hilarious watching Atanas claim "I think that the Earthrise release was a success and had less technical difficulties than other MMO releases in general".

Keep doing what you do best Atanas! Awesome believable communication at it's finest!

Communication aside...both games are unplayable as they stand.

Xyson is down again, as they examine why the data keeps getting corrupted.   Nothing but lag, crash, rollback, wipe. In that order, repeated.  Not sure when they are going to do a final launch of their beta material.

Yes i know xsyon is in beta, and earthrise is new....but still...these are dark days for sandbox fans.