Look at the Xsyon devs responding to posts every day, even saying "that's a good idea for a feature i'll consider it" and giving constant updates for server issues. Then ER, like 2 vague posts on what they are trying to fix with no evidence that they did as there are NO patch notes and no real difference, even on a thread begging for them to respond to the absurd amounts of complaints from even long time supporters they didn't respond. There seems to be no community manager (where the hell is Kulani?) at all. Thing is ER has an 80 man dev team, Xsyon has like 5 yet they post on a regular basis.

Then people give the, "they don't post b/c they need to work on the game!" But it would take like 5 minutes to write a little update, like when they got home from work or something.

Have you played Xyson or MO? If you did you'd see why commincation doesn't mean anything.

You gotta give props to the dev of Xsyon though, they are pretty much active on the forum every single day and even on the Chat channel, which is what i am enjoying at the moment

and yeah, that Kuliani guys is pretty useless, ever since he replaced Moll, hasn't done much except to post once every 2 weeks or so

i dont really know about now though

Are you really whining about the forum contribution by the devs and then comparing them this early into the game?

There are bigger issues 2 weeks into launch, than how often devs come into the forum to stroke the ego's of their players. Besides, the ER devs post every day, they even have an entire forum called 'Choose Your Game Feature' which lets the community choose which feature they'd most like implemented/developed for that month, then the devs carry it out. Do some research before mindlessly trolling. 

The difference in comminication, and yes I do follow both, is as simple as this next statement.

One game gives its community updates because they feel they must, the other gives thier community updates because the know its the right thing to do.

Thats your difference, ER, thier updates and style of getting interaction with thier community appears nothing less than scripted and PR in nature. Every update is as if they have a speechwriter sitting in the back going over every detail before its put out. Their interaction is professional. And every update is given on a schedule as if its on someones to do list in Outlook with a pop-up telling them to do it. And if that pop-up didnt come up, the question is, would they? In my mind I see a meeting taking place every morning to discuss the state of the game between section chiefs, minutes taken, handed to the community manager and written up for distribution.

Xsyon is just the opposite, thier updates are there when they have something to give. They aren't scripted, they aren't PR, and they aren't being done because it was told to them that they had to 'give an update to the players once a day'. Thier updates are candid, they hold discussions with thier player base, both on the forums and in game. If you have a bug, they dont just take your report and send you a pre-generated response saying thanx we will get to this whenever, if they need more info they jump in game and ask you personally about it. They show concern for the game.

Do both give updates to thier communities.....yes.

Do both take input from thier communities....yes.

Are they both trying to make thier games a good game for the community.....yes.

But, which one would you rather have? Me, Xsyon.

A rather interesting observance, ScribZ. Thinking about it, I get the same impressions from the news and dev posts, as well.

Originally posted by ScribZ

But, which one would you rather have? Me, Xsyon.

Sincerity doesn't make a good game. I couldn't care less how empathetic the dev team are to the communities insecurity, as long as the game progresses/improves thats all that counts to me. 

Originally posted by D_TOX

Originally posted by ScribZ

But, which one would you rather have? Me, Xsyon.

Sincerity doesn't make a good game. I couldn't care less how empathetic the dev team are to the communities insecurity, as long as the game progresses/improves thats all that counts to me. 

I think he was talking about the type of communication he'd prefer from a company. It doesn't seem he was commenting on which was a better game.

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Originally posted by ScribZ
But, which one would you rather have? Me, Xsyon.

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Sincerity doesn't make a good game. I couldn't care less how empathetic the dev team are to the communities insecurity, as long as the game progresses/improves thats all that counts to me. 

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The problem with Masthead is, that they don't listen to their players at all actually and only followe their so called "plan".

If they would listen, then they would've changed alot of their stuff during beta allready, and I'm speaking of beta a few month ago.

What it comes down to is both games are imperfect. Very much so. It will likely be a challenge for both to retain many of the people who initially try them out. Having good communication with the developers shows they know of issues, unpopular game mechanics, and shows players their feedback might result in a positive change in the game. Having little or no contact with the developers, even if the devs actively read the forums and refrain from commenting, makes people frustrated.

I'd venture to say most people posting on game forums do so to help other players or to help the developers. Their posts may not be helpful, but they're trying. Having devs responsive enough to say, "Good idea." or "Not likely to happen." makes a huge deal to the crowd who put a significant chunk of time into brainstorming and posting ideas to make the game better.

Originally posted by Yalexy

 

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Originally posted by D_TOX

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Originally posted by ScribZ
But, which one would you rather have? Me, Xsyon.

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Sincerity doesn't make a good game. I couldn't care less how empathetic the dev team are to the communities insecurity, as long as the game progresses/improves thats all that counts to me. 

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The problem with Masthead is, that they don't listen to their players at all actually and only followe their so called "plan".

If they would listen, then they would've changed alot of their stuff during beta allready, and I'm speaking of beta a few month ago.

You're so wrong though. There's an entire forum dedicated to the community's wishes. Guess what, they have a plan because they're professional developers. Do you think they just sit around twiddling their thumbs waiting for people like you to tell them what to do? lol. Use your head a little. 

Originally posted by D_TOX

Originally posted by Yalexy

 

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Originally posted by D_TOX

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Originally posted by ScribZ
But, which one would you rather have? Me, Xsyon.

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Sincerity doesn't make a good game. I couldn't care less how empathetic the dev team are to the communities insecurity, as long as the game progresses/improves thats all that counts to me. 

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The problem with Masthead is, that they don't listen to their players at all actually and only followe their so called "plan".

If they would listen, then they would've changed alot of their stuff during beta allready, and I'm speaking of beta a few month ago.

You're so wrong though. There's an entire forum dedicated to the community's wishes. Guess what, they have a plan because they're professional developers. Do you think they just sit around twiddling their thumbs waiting for people like you to tell them what to do? lol. Use your head a little. 

I watch both forums and played both games.  I can honestly say that the communication is much better on the Xsyon site.  I know that ER has a dedicated section on what players would like to see, but I haven't seen any actual implementation of these ideas or indeed player suggestions (of course I could be wrong, because I don't see every aspect of the game.  Xsyon on the other hand I have seen direct and responsive changes made based on the communities feedback.  To me, this is the most telling point on which game has the best dev/player relationship.

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Originally posted by Yalexy
 

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Originally posted by D_TOX

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Originally posted by ScribZ
But, which one would you rather have? Me, Xsyon.

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Sincerity doesn't make a good game. I couldn't care less how empathetic the dev team are to the communities insecurity, as long as the game progresses/improves thats all that counts to me. 

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The problem with Masthead is, that they don't listen to their players at all actually and only followe their so called "plan".
If they would listen, then they would've changed alot of their stuff during beta allready, and I'm speaking of beta a few month ago.

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You're so wrong though. There's an entire forum dedicated to the community's wishes. Guess what, they have a plan because they're professional developers. Do you think they just sit around twiddling their thumbs waiting for people like you to tell them what to do? lol. Use your head a little. 

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I'm not wrong at all there. It's you, who don't want to see the truth about Masthead.

75% of beta-testers (and I'm still talking of the old beta-testers, who tested for several month) told Masthead that there's alot of stuff that does need to be changed, like the totally unacceptable discrepancy of equipment-tiers or the boring grind for materials and the lack of individualization in the crafting-process etc.

Masthead had allmost half a year to fix those issues allready and listen to the community... yet they did nothing.
Having a forum-section to complain about things or suggest things is not going to change that.

Being nice to people on a forum a good game does not make. It might make you feel less insecure, it may boost your confidence that they will overhaul the combat in Xyson so that it's no longer representative of a shitty 1980's beat 'em up programmed by a dyslexic with one eye, three fingers and attention defecit issues.

If MHS developers started a media blitz of smoking pole would it improve the game? No. Also to be quite honest MHS does as good a job of any at communicating what's happening. I don't need to be patronised or humoured by them, I just need information and they provide that on their forums. If you feel you're getting a better deal on the Xyson forums then good for you. I'm sure once it has launched however they'll have enough to do between fixing the game and having haters tearing them a new butt hole without pandering to those that would rather play the forums than the game! 

Originally posted by Agricola1

Being nice to people on a forum a good game does not make. It might make you feel less insecure, it may boost your confidence that they will overhaul the combat in Xyson so that it's no longer representative of a shitty 1980's beat 'em up programmed by a dyslexic with one eye, three fingers and attention defecit issues.

If MHS developers started a media blitz of smoking pole would it improve the game? No. Also to be quite honest MHS does as good a job of any at communicating what's happening. I don't need to be patronised or humoured by them, I just need information and they provide that on their forums. If you feel you're getting a better deal on the Xyson forums then good for you. I'm sure once it has launched however they'll have enough to do between fixing the game and having haters tearing them a new butt hole without pandering to those that would rather play the forums than the game! 

 Well I think if we just read that sentance you put there which I highlighted in red we get a perfect picture of how you feel about the game Xsyon. And every other opinion of yours about the game becomes irrelivant after that doesn't it. I mean seriously, you dont give a rats ass how much the devs of that game communiticate to you, you hate the game, you will always hate the game until they fix what you feel is that bad. So lets cut through all the other BS your spoonin up there and just go with the truth. Your biased, you hate Xsyon combat and cannot comment on any other part of it , the communication, or the community of that game at all past that point.

In the immortal words of a member of the Xsyon community....umadbro?

Originally posted by Gintoh

      Look at the Xsyon devs responding to posts every day, even saying "that's a good idea for a feature i'll consider it" and giving constant updates for server issues. 

as professionals they have to act like professionals.... they wont say "stfu ur idea is dumb and wont help the game"..... even if they disagree with your idea they will make you believe you actually suggested something good for the game (even if its good idea for the game and they still disagree)... so never believe a bussinessman until you see results (just like politics ;) )

Originally posted by ScribZ

Originally posted by Agricola1

Being nice to people on a forum a good game does not make. It might make you feel less insecure, it may boost your confidence that they will overhaul the combat in Xyson so that it's no longer representative of a shitty 1980's beat 'em up programmed by a dyslexic with one eye, three fingers and attention defecit issues.

If MHS developers started a media blitz of smoking pole would it improve the game? No. Also to be quite honest MHS does as good a job of any at communicating what's happening. I don't need to be patronised or humoured by them, I just need information and they provide that on their forums. If you feel you're getting a better deal on the Xyson forums then good for you. I'm sure once it has launched however they'll have enough to do between fixing the game and having haters tearing them a new butt hole without pandering to those that would rather play the forums than the game! 

 Well I think if we just read that sentance you put there which I highlighted in red we get a perfect picture of how you feel about the game Xsyon. And every other opinion of yours about the game becomes irrelivant after that doesn't it. I mean seriously, you dont give a rats ass how much the devs of that game communiticate to you, you hate the game, you will always hate the game until they fix what you feel is that bad. So lets cut through all the other BS your spoonin up there and just go with the truth. Your biased, you hate Xsyon combat and cannot comment on any other part of it , the communication, or the community of that game at all past that point.

In the immortal words of a member of the Xsyon community....umadbro?

 

No amount of facepalms can hide the cringe i did when i read this post. Please go. Xsyon is >>>> that way. Enjoy happy-slapping your foes into submission lol. 

Agricola was spot on with his post, its just the haters are so desperate to attack their beloved Earthrise on every level possible. 

A. Xsyon isn't about combat

B. Your post didn't address any of the points on developer communication made in this thread.

C. The fact that a game developed by ONE guy has far better dev/community communication then a company of 80+ people is pathetic.

I really want ER to get better b/c I don't like the setting of Xsyon. 

Originally posted by ScribZ

Originally posted by Agricola1

Being nice to people on a forum a good game does not make. It might make you feel less insecure, it may boost your confidence that they will overhaul the combat in Xyson so that it's no longer representative of a shitty 1980's beat 'em up programmed by a dyslexic with one eye, three fingers and attention defecit issues.

If MHS developers started a media blitz of smoking pole would it improve the game? No. Also to be quite honest MHS does as good a job of any at communicating what's happening. I don't need to be patronised or humoured by them, I just need information and they provide that on their forums. If you feel you're getting a better deal on the Xyson forums then good for you. I'm sure once it has launched however they'll have enough to do between fixing the game and having haters tearing them a new butt hole without pandering to those that would rather play the forums than the game! 

 Well I think if we just read that sentance you put there which I highlighted in red we get a perfect picture of how you feel about the game Xsyon. And every other opinion of yours about the game becomes irrelivant after that doesn't it. I mean seriously, you dont give a rats ass how much the devs of that game communiticate to you, you hate the game, you will always hate the game until they fix what you feel is that bad. So lets cut through all the other BS your spoonin up there and just go with the truth. Your biased, you hate Xsyon combat and cannot comment on any other part of it , the communication, or the community of that game at all past that point.

In the immortal words of a member of the Xsyon community....umadbro?

 

 Let's cut through the BS then, yes I am biased. No I don't "hate" Xyson but I do think the combat is sub par even for a 1980's beat 'em up on the Comodore 64. I like Dtox's description as it reminds me of a happy slapping taken on a mobile phone then posted on youtube.

What I don't do is go to the Xyson forums and QQ and bash a game I don't play because it falls below even my lowest standards. I get it, you like Xyson and I get that you think the DEV team is really good at communicating with the community compared to MHS. However I just don't care, in fact anybody that is posting on these forums due to an interest in ER probably doesn't care either.

So no, I'm not mad bro and no I don't hate Xyson bro but neither do I get butt hurt on the Xyson forums because I think ER combat is light years ahead, nor do I feel the need to rub peoples faces in it . In fact most of us are advising others to hold off on trying ER for a month or two until performance issues are addressed. This type of thread is nothing but flame bait probably made because people are bored waiting for Xyson.