Originally posted by Atlan99

Originally posted by Raserei

@ original poster

 

They are adding exploration stuff like salvageable items....

 

Grind is in every MMORPG, but a game that is based off skills and not levels, there kind of needs to be a grind or else everyone will cap out all there skill fast. Check out Mortal Online and Darkfall, they both have large grinds and are sandbox. Im not saying I enjoy grinding, but Im just saying its kind of necessary.

Darkfall is all about the grind. It was actually a fairly good game except for the grind. Having to dedicate your life to a game in order to be competitive gets old fast.

Then I'm happy to inform you that the character grind is gone in Darkfall

Originally posted by Gruug

 I have to note that I have not played Earthrise and based upon the videos at Massively and other, I don't plan to. However with that said, I would have to agree with with Raserei. I would also like to add that ANY MMO that did not have some element of PvE would be a pretty boring place in off hours. I for one have played many an MMO when virtually no one is around. It is pretty hard to go siege a camp/city without other people to help out. It is also pretty hard to PvP without at least one other person around to PvP against. So, PvE is needed in some fashion or you will loose people from the game pretty fast or have even a smaller poplulation with only PvP.

This,

If you ever play FoM, you would know that the game offers little to none of PvE at all, it's basically an Empty world with only other players filling the world, the game only gets fun during specific hours, once it's off hours, tell me what you can do in that game, yes, none

and sometimes it gets so bored that you wish you'd never play it,

the only thing ER need to have is the promised Intelligence from AI that MHS promised at the beginning, that Mobs will travel in packs, and even have their own ambush strategy, and even can go call for a help, which is not something that is implemented yet, i think PvE only gets fun from there on, if it ever will be added.. not sure

I made another thread with this post in it but not many replied and I think this is what the OP's point is:

"Overall, the game seems rather themepark, you whack mobs, then get better gear (gear tiers are like levels in other games), since the difference in tiers is so big, you basically "outlevel" those lower BR mobs then move into another area, out livel (or in this case out BR) that area and move onto the next, like WoW or any other game, then there's crafting and the economy and all. But you can't be pure non-combative crafter as to lvl up in combat you have to combat and if you don't lvl up in combat you'll get constantly killed every time you walk out of town, also you can only get resources from mobs, I understand this is to change but still.

Sou you are forced to PVE, and to PVE certain mobs that are your BR or near it to get XP, the Tiers are like levels in other mmo's as a higher Tier is always better then a lower one, it's not like some have advantages and disadvantages, sure it has a player run economy, open pvp (which it seems to defeat the purpose of b/c with since you can insure everything for a relatively small cost there is very little risk), and skill based system (which it defeats the purpose of because progression of Tiers is so Linear). But overall, what's so sandboxy about it?"

Originally posted by M4ko

First off, the grind. What kind of fkn sandbox is it when you have to grind your way up, and its a LONG LONG grind to get anything usefull.

I`m wondering how long this grind is.

Is it a few week like WOW or a few years like Darkfall?

Originally posted by Hotjazz

Originally posted by M4ko

First off, the grind. What kind of fkn sandbox is it when you have to grind your way up, and its a LONG LONG grind to get anything usefull.

I`m wondering how long this grind is.

 

Is it a few week like WOW or a few years like Darkfall?

 

 

 

 So far the grind is average. Nothing to complain about. I personally think its just about perfect.

Originally posted by Hotjazz

Originally posted by M4ko

First off, the grind. What kind of fkn sandbox is it when you have to grind your way up, and its a LONG LONG grind to get anything usefull.

I`m wondering how long this grind is.

 

Is it a few week like WOW or a few years like Darkfall?

 

 

 

Grind in Darkfall hasn't been a few years since release. Grind in darkfall just got reduced again.

Grind in WoW isn't a few weeks, its MONTHS if you want an end-game PvE or PvP character due to gear requirements

Grind in ER seems to be lower than grind in DFO was before the AV reduced the grind again last week. Its probably about the same, but ER has more skills than DFO and you can train them all. If people don't specialize in ER the grind will be worse. 

Originally posted by M4ko

Originally posted by MadAce

Originally posted by M4ko

can we please get off the "NO PVE" topic, cuz thats all fanbois can retaliate with. I clearly said it in OP that PVE doesnt have to go altogether, but when its placed there as the only source for advancement, especially in the most primitive way possible in an MMOPRG, then its pretty pathetic.

 

In fact reading ER forums right now, and every thread that complains about the game is filled with defenders responding with some dumbest stuff ever. It used to be "its just beta", now after launch they switch the phrase to "no MMORPG in history of gaming had ever a flawless launch" or "its a sandbox, its not for everybody", yea its for dummies like who want to waste their money hoping that their MMO fix will finally arrive, these junkies wouldve paid 150$ for it. I wonder what they will be saying in 2 months, something like "its only been 2 months, give it another 2 months" so fkn lame.

Let me tell you that Ive never seen a worse launch from any other MMORPG before.

 

Well it would then seem to me you have played few mmo's.

 

I have a question.

 

What are you getting out of this?

If i were to ask you which MMOs had worse launches id be hitting my head against the wall because youd probaly say something like EVE, SWG, AOC.

What does anyone get out of complaining?

If you know what everyone is going to say (or in in your case just think you know) then why bother to discuss anything at all?

To answer your question: Vocalizing certain feelings often changes your perspective on the issue.

However in your case that's just not true. Stop vocalizing your opinion. It's not helping anyone. Most certainly not yourself.

Originally posted by SookieSmooth

Hey M4KO I am assuming u were Mako in the beta.... and if so i totally killed ur bitch ass... suck it noob

and your definition of sandbox is an unrealistic expectation....no game can live up to your standards of being a sandbox if you want total freedom.... lets say for example I want to strip naked rub myself with grape jelly jump into a pool of vaseline and wrestle 3 midgets.... pretty hard to find a game that would let me do that so by your definition there is not a sandbox game on the market... nuff said

Youre proud that you killed me while i was testing combat and arguing with dummies like you in chat? I wasnt even moving around much. ALthough there was one dummy that was trying to kill me for about 10 minutes with me barely retaliating and just running around him and recovering HP, after which i just let him kill me so i can respawn.

ANd my expectations of a sandbox are based on somethign that I have already experienced in other games. NOw all ER had to do is improve those features becuase its been almost 10 years since those times, but instead ER came out to be worse than a themepark game.

1. Sex

2. Clowns

I was going to say:

1. polish

and

2. POLISH!!!!

this game needs some SERIOUS work on pretty much each and every aspect from game engine to game mechanics befor i'll even take a second look at it. Tried the beta....was VERY.....VERY suprised at how poor the expierience was.

Originally posted by Raserei

@ original poster

 

They are adding exploration stuff like salvageable items....

 

Grind is in every MMORPG, but a game that is based off skills and not levels, there kind of needs to be a grind or else everyone will cap out all there skill fast. Check out Mortal Online and Darkfall, they both have large grinds and are sandbox. Im not saying I enjoy grinding, but Im just saying its kind of necessary.

Yes i know about salvage quests, i mentioned them, its still themepark. Grind is NOT necessary, its only present in most RPGS because they cant come up with a better solution, and as i said before there have been somewhat sucesseful attempts to alter grind.

BUT, MHS clearly stated that there will almost NO grind in this game. This alone is enough to complain about grind.

Originally posted by M4ko

I read first paragraph and had enough of it. An average joe or even an average intellectual does not use such dictionary words as "semblance" "constitutes" and "diatribe" all in one sentence. Ive never even heard of semblance or diatribe but you managed to put them all in one sentence, you mustve worked hard on that sentence.  I didnt read the rest cuz its most likely random stuff ive already discussed with others. I wonder if 4chan has a name for likes of you.

I'm on you're side in the issue, but I would like to say that constitutes and sembalence are fairly common words and I hear them used alot.

Originally posted by M4ko

Originally posted by Consequence

A couple counter points.

 

1) Sandbox does NOT mean no PvE. Where you got that impression is beyond me. But your lack of education on the matter is your own problem.

 

 

2) PvE, whether you like it or not, is going to be a part of MMOs forever. I am a guy who prefers pvp. But the stats are clear on this 1, MOST mmo players prefer pve even if they dont openly admit it. Games that offer pvp servers show that pve servers hold far more population. Games like EVE online, known for its pvp has a VAST majority of its players in high sec space(safer zones). Your best bet is t hope for games with good PvP AND PvE and give up on the notion of games without PvE.

{Mod Edit}

 

 

Ok,after this and and other responses i'll give up on this topic as many on here are still trying to understand your argument and many like myself,just do not  wish to devote any more time argueing and going round in circles in a senseless debate.So there is no point in engageing any further on this topic.

 

 

Seemingly it does seem odd that simple words to me are foreign to your good self,so i've simplified my response hope this is clearer and easier to grasp,Oh and once again i spent 15secs typeing that  *intellectual post*and 15 secs on debateing whether to post as i don't usually repond in a caustic manner or fashion to any poster.

Was the original Everquest a sandbox ?

I think OP has a very good idea on adding random special loot in some exploration points that is hard or needs to time to get to.  I like it!

But I disagree on sandbox shouldn't have PvE in it.  Let say if that is the real world, I don't think hummanity will likely to just kill each other for survive and eat their flesh? ... right ?? there should be hunting other creatures and such, isn't that PvE ???

xD

OP can't be over 20 years old.

Just sayin'.

Originally posted by Rymos

OP can't be over 20 years old.

Just sayin'.

probaly like 17 , 19 right?

Originally posted by Rymos

OP can't be over 20 years old.

Just sayin'.

QFT

First off, why are people who haven't played the game in this discussion? Simply to troll? Go pay the $50, then come back and you'll understand why we're so frustrated with Earthrise.

I agree with OP on the exploration, but the pvp only lvling is highly exploitable, also I thought this was supposed to be a game based off skill.' I guess not. A pack of tier 0's cant kill a tier 1 and so on. PvP is broken.

Sandbox? I guess its preference as far as the term goes because everyone seems to have their own opinion as to what a sandbox is but there's one key similarity to all of them and that's content. The game in its current state has no content, theres two things you can do at the moment and its killing stuff. Nodes for collecting mats to craft haven't been implemented yet. Exploration as OP stated does nothing but you still hear fanbois screaming sandbox. I guess sandbox for them means you can kill stuff?

I've CTD four times now in 2 days. I've been killed by invisible mobs 6 times and lost loot every single time. Random spots on my screen appear and disappear. I've been cussed out and called derogatory names by chat trolls. I've been ganked by groups of higher tier criminals 3 times in the starter area, basically have no loot to give out and they get no skill gain, its purely griefing or ego boost?

I love PVP but when its pointless griefing. dubwa te ef?

BTW if anyone is considering buying the game, please buy my copy! Fanbois too you should buy my copy and give it to a friend as a gift! Ooooh wait you guys have like 0 rl friends... sorry. Give it to that facebook friend with the hot profile picture.

Originally posted by intoExile

First off, why are people who haven't played the game in this discussion? Simply to troll? Go pay the $50, then come back and you'll understand why we're so frustrated with Earthrise.

I agree with OP on the exploration, but the pvp only lvling is highly exploitable, also I thought this was supposed to be a game based off skill.' I guess not. A pack of tier 0's cant kill a tier 1 and so on. PvP is broken.

Sandbox? I guess its preference as far as the term goes because everyone seems to have their own opinion as to what a sandbox is but there's one key similarity to all of them and that's content. The game in its current state has no content, theres two things you can do at the moment and its killing stuff. Nodes for collecting mats to craft haven't been implemented yet. Exploration as OP stated does nothing but you still hear fanbois screaming sandbox. I guess sandbox for them means you can kill stuff?

I've CTD four times now in 2 days. I've been killed by invisible mobs 6 times and lost loot every single time. Random spots on my screen appear and disappear. I've been cussed out and called derogatory names by chat trolls. I've been ganked by groups of higher tier criminals 3 times in the starter area, basically have no loot to give out and they get no skill gain, its purely griefing or ego boost?

I love PVP but when its pointless griefing. dubwa te ef?

BTW if anyone is considering buying the game, please buy my copy! Fanbois too you should buy my copy and give it to a friend as a gift! Ooooh wait you guys have like 0 rl friends... sorry. Give it to that facebook friend with the hot profile picture.

This is the 4th time i will say that i am not proposing a complete PVE wipe, i am against the GRIND. PVE is fun but right now its just there for you to GRIND. 

I also agree about Tier 1bieng totally outmatched by Tier 2, when Atanasov said that it will all depend on skills and a noob will be able to kill a Vet if noob uses his skills better. So lets say a tier 2 goes against and kills a tier 5, right? i dont think so.........you cant go against anyone that is even 1 tier higher. This gives you a feeling that youre playing a Chinese Grinder where only a higher tier weapon matters. 

And let me repeat it again too all fans out there, you know nothing about sandbox, just becuase this is the first seamless MMORPG with no instances that has come in a while, does NOT make it a sandbox. Just because you WANT it to be a sandbox, still does not make it a sandbox,  theres pretty much no sand to play with.

Even with performance stability this is a no-content MMO, that IS NO DIFFERNT from any other RPG besides having a seamless world. This game is ages away from being complete, it will most likely not get enough support and die out, and if it does survive with 10 people left working on it, it will simply be forgotten by many. Hate my opinions all you want that so far this is where it seems to be heading.