Originally posted by daarco

Maybe they should have callet it "reload time" to stop the whining.

I kind of thought it would be common sense, but then again they do say common sense is the least common of all senses.

Originally posted by Locklain

Originally posted by daarco

Maybe they should have callet it "reload time" to stop the whining.

I kind of thought it would be common sense, but then again they do say common sense is the least common of all senses.

Amen to that.

You think you should find it on a MMO forum atleast.

Originally posted by Joker2240

At this time it is a huge risk for a company to make an FPS MMO on the Sci-fi Genre.  If you think you can make one than go ahead and try and make one. Either wise shut up... Let the company do what they are doing and we will see how it turns out. It is ridiculous how mmorpg.com people think they know better.

For now FPS will stay in game such as CS:S. There is sooo many issues that you have to take into consideration before you think about making an FPS.

 

Lag

hitboxes

registration

etc...

 

Now the issue with guns with cooldowns.. They are not ridiculous 10 second cooldowns I think you are over exaderating a bit.. The longest cooldown is 4 seconds and that is from a launcher.

 

Have you seen Fallen Earth?  That is a 1st and 3rd person FPS-MMO with vehicles/horses...  that game is going to kill Earthrise...

Originally posted by prow

Originally posted by Joker2240

At this time it is a huge risk for a company to make an FPS MMO on the Sci-fi Genre.  If you think you can make one than go ahead and try and make one. Either wise shut up... Let the company do what they are doing and we will see how it turns out. It is ridiculous how mmorpg.com people think they know better.

For now FPS will stay in game such as CS:S. There is sooo many issues that you have to take into consideration before you think about making an FPS.

 

Lag

hitboxes

registration

etc...

 

Now the issue with guns with cooldowns.. They are not ridiculous 10 second cooldowns I think you are over exaderating a bit.. The longest cooldown is 4 seconds and that is from a launcher.

 

 

Have you seen Fallen Earth?  That is a 1st and 3rd person FPS-MMO with vehicles/horses...  that game is going to kill Earthrise...

Yes I have seen Fallen Earth and I have to say it is not all that great... There is no open pvp. It is not as hardcore as Earthrise will be.

There is also loot restrictions from what I have read... It is not a horrible game tho... Both Earthrise and Fallen Earth have their pros and cons.

Originally posted by Joker2240

Originally posted by prow

Originally posted by Joker2240

At this time it is a huge risk for a company to make an FPS MMO on the Sci-fi Genre.  If you think you can make one than go ahead and try and make one. Either wise shut up... Let the company do what they are doing and we will see how it turns out. It is ridiculous how mmorpg.com people think they know better.

For now FPS will stay in game such as CS:S. There is sooo many issues that you have to take into consideration before you think about making an FPS.

 

Lag

hitboxes

registration

etc...

 

Now the issue with guns with cooldowns.. They are not ridiculous 10 second cooldowns I think you are over exaderating a bit.. The longest cooldown is 4 seconds and that is from a launcher.

 

 

Have you seen Fallen Earth?  That is a 1st and 3rd person FPS-MMO with vehicles/horses...  that game is going to kill Earthrise...

Yes I have seen Fallen Earth and I have to say it is not all that great... There is no open pvp. It is not as hardcore as Earthrise will be.

 

There is also loot restrictions from what I have read... It is not a horrible game tho... Both Earthrise and Fallen Earth have their pros and cons.

Not open pvp? wtf? :O

It is as you can get 3 people in a truck with a mounted machine gun on the back and just drive around the world...

Im noticing a trend.

Or you have a massive world with stupid artificial limitators like long cooldowns for actions and even movements

Or you have a twitch based gameplay, but instanced, with low ammount of players.

Ive written about it on the jumpgate evolution forums

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/297/view/forums/post/2774707/thread/232457#2774707

Project of Planets, Tabula Rasa, Parabelum, Huxley, Jumpgate Evolution, Black Prophecy, there is a long list of games that either fall in one or other. YOU CANT HAVE BOTH. Gameplay as fluid, dinamic, and responsive as a first person shooter and Massive Scale of players in open world.

THIS IS THE PARADIGM. ONCE WE START SEEING GAMES WITH GAMEPLAY THAT GOES BEYOND NEOCRON, CHRONICLES OF SPELLBORN AND DARKFALL, THEN WE CAN START TALKING ABOUT EVOLUTION ON MMORPGS.

AND NO, Darkfall doesnt have both.

The closer we had TO THAT was Planetside.

Its like the Ultima Online paradox. Its like a proof of 4 dimension existance. As if the devs from UO went to the future, played everything, went back to the past and made the best game they could with the current technology available. Same trend on Planetside.

Earthrise has never been about FPS twitch gameplay. It has always been an RPG. If you don't like that, then don't play it. But some of us want an RPG, it's just a preference. No need to cry about it.

Originally posted by prow

Originally posted by Joker2240

Originally posted by prow

Originally posted by Joker2240

At this time it is a huge risk for a company to make an FPS MMO on the Sci-fi Genre.  If you think you can make one than go ahead and try and make one. Either wise shut up... Let the company do what they are doing and we will see how it turns out. It is ridiculous how mmorpg.com people think they know better.

For now FPS will stay in game such as CS:S. There is sooo many issues that you have to take into consideration before you think about making an FPS.

 

Lag

hitboxes

registration

etc...

 

Now the issue with guns with cooldowns.. They are not ridiculous 10 second cooldowns I think you are over exaderating a bit.. The longest cooldown is 4 seconds and that is from a launcher.

 

 

Have you seen Fallen Earth?  That is a 1st and 3rd person FPS-MMO with vehicles/horses...  that game is going to kill Earthrise...

Yes I have seen Fallen Earth and I have to say it is not all that great... There is no open pvp. It is not as hardcore as Earthrise will be.

 

There is also loot restrictions from what I have read... It is not a horrible game tho... Both Earthrise and Fallen Earth have their pros and cons.

 

Not open pvp? wtf? :O

 

It is as you can get 3 people in a truck with a mounted machine gun on the back and just drive around the world...

Nope only certain zones are open pvp the whole world is not... You should look up on it before you talk about a game.

Originally posted by Harabeck

Earthrise has never been about FPS twitch gameplay. It has always been an RPG. If you don't like that, then don't play it. But some of us want an RPG, it's just a preference. No need to cry about it.

Only a retard thinks that they both can't be combined. Just because a game is an RPG doesn't mean it has to be super slow and boring. TBH they said that a new player would be able to beat a older one if he was more skillful as a player, I hardly see thats gonna happen...

Even though Tabula Rasa failed, it had the best combat system in any Sci-Fi MMO I've played. EarthRise could've made their combat like TR and people would like it. The way combat is demonstrated in ER trailer... it looks like wow with lasers.

TR failed because the devs couldn't offer an endgame to players and it had consensual pvp. If it had a better pvp system/base capture system and better endgame then it would've still been around imo.

Originally posted by Cane

Originally posted by Harabeck

Earthrise has never been about FPS twitch gameplay. It has always been an RPG. If you don't like that, then don't play it. But some of us want an RPG, it's just a preference. No need to cry about it.

 

Only a retard thinks that they both can't be combined. Just because a game is an RPG doesn't mean it has to be super slow and boring. TBH they said that a new player would be able to beat a older one if he was more skillful as a player, I hardly see thats gonna happen...

Dude, the argument wasn't about whether or not they can be combined in general, Jokers argument was that it just isn't that way in ER. So don't be calling him a retard just because you're getting confused what the argument here is about.

There's way too many ppl that have the wrong idea about the game, some have been complaining that they heard or thought they heard ER was a FPSmmo for which it's not and never has been.

Would an Fps/Tps MMO be an awesome idea, hell yeah, as long as the Devs know what the hell they're doing..>>

Originally posted by prow

Originally posted by JGMIII

I'm sorry I don't play MMOs for realistic twitch combat.

MMOs are about character building for me combat is an afterthought.

Eve online has slow combat also and its one of if not the best freaking mmo I ever played.

I look forward to this game.

If i wanted a twitch pvp experience I would go back to my CS clan where people know how to pvp.

 

 

Seriously? lol?  So you play MMOs with GUNS to shoot in a "non-twitch" motion?  So you click a gun to shoot, it shoots 1 bullet then has a cooldown...  you actually like that?  seriously?

 

If I wanted to play WoW-clone-gun-mod I would go back to WoW and use their muskets the hunters use...  If you like that type of slow "non-twitch" gameplay, go back to WoW....

I am just trying to bring up important issues reguarding earthrise and how its going to be another WoW-clone with guns...

 

 

 

BTW... Fallen Earth is just like a NORMAL shooting game with guns... you can shoot IN REAL TIME!  OH NOES!

So just because a skill or weapon has a cooldown, it's a WoW clone? 

Fallen Earth has plenty skills with cooldowns. All weapons have a cooldown of sort. A crossbow dont shoot as fast as a assault rifle. It's on a timer. Everything has a rate of fire of some sort.

Earthrise a WoW clone? lol I suppose EVE is a WoW clone because the weapons have cooldowns there also.

Go back to WoW and stay there please :) 

Every game has cooldowns for something. 

Originally posted by Shohadaku

Originally posted by prow

Originally posted by JGMIII

I'm sorry I don't play MMOs for realistic twitch combat.

MMOs are about character building for me combat is an afterthought.

Eve online has slow combat also and its one of if not the best freaking mmo I ever played.

I look forward to this game.

If i wanted a twitch pvp experience I would go back to my CS clan where people know how to pvp.

 

 

Seriously? lol?  So you play MMOs with GUNS to shoot in a "non-twitch" motion?  So you click a gun to shoot, it shoots 1 bullet then has a cooldown...  you actually like that?  seriously?

 

If I wanted to play WoW-clone-gun-mod I would go back to WoW and use their muskets the hunters use...  If you like that type of slow "non-twitch" gameplay, go back to WoW....

I am just trying to bring up important issues reguarding earthrise and how its going to be another WoW-clone with guns...

 

 

 

BTW... Fallen Earth is just like a NORMAL shooting game with guns... you can shoot IN REAL TIME!  OH NOES!

So just because a skill or weapon has a cooldown, it's a WoW clone? 

Fallen Earth has plenty skills with cooldowns. All weapons have a cooldown of sort. A crossbow dont shoot as fast as a assault rifle. It's on a timer. Everything has a rate of fire of some sort.

Earthrise a WoW clone? lol I suppose EVE is a WoW clone because the weapons have cooldowns there also.

Go back to WoW and stay there please :) 

Every game has cooldowns for something. 

Hmm, you know in a FPS just about every weapon works off an ammunition clip, once you're out of bullets you have to reload which is a lot like a cooldown.

From the argument the other guy made I guess games like Halo, Counterstrike, and Quake are all a bunch of WoW clones too..0o

Heh, I'm gonna remember that next time I play some Gears 2

They added a Global Cooldown for the roadie run that doesn't start til it ends, they nerfed the shotgun so the two-piece ability has a better chance of failing.  Active reloading is just choosing when you want the cooldown to start.

and best off... Everquest now has ripped off Quake!  Which means WoW is just a quake-clone for newbs :o

GO here and VOTE ! If you want to have a say on cooldowns than say so.

forums.play-earthrise.com/index.php

this game looks fucking stupid!!!!

It worked out just fine in AO. This is an MMO not an FPS you want fps go play xbox live with all the potty mouth kiddies.

Originally posted by prob aka prow

this game looks fucking stupid!!!!

People who create multiple accounts to discuss inane topics with bad arguments and even worse language, really take forum trolling to its logical extreme. If it wasn't so pathetic, I'd have to commend you for your efforts!

I suggest you set yourself up with some free forum where you can argue and insult your alter egos to your heart's content.

Please, let us eventually know your FE ingame name so I can put you on my KOS list...

Originally posted by Ozreth

I dont like it either, but ask yourself this: how does a sword swing have a cooldown?

That is easy. A sword takes endurance and accuracy to use properly. Hence you need some time between the swings to recouperate. If you seen simulated real sword fighting you will see that there is usually pause between a swing or series of swings.

However assault rifles and such does not have that restriction because they are automatic and require you to only aim and pull the trigger, the weapon will do the mechanic motion for the bullets to fly out the barrel.

A lasergun needs to charge up power for every single shot first = slow RoF.

Originally posted by jrs77

A lasergun needs to charge up power for every single shot first = slow RoF.

Say what? How do you know how a "lasergun" works if such a weapon does not exist? And if so, why use that weapon when you can use a machine gun that shots out bullets 10x faster?

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by jrs77

A lasergun needs to charge up power for every single shot first = slow RoF.

 

Say what? How do you know how a "lasergun" works if such a weapon does not exist? And if so, why use that weapon when you can use a machine gun that shots out bullets 10x faster?

Bullets from a machine-gun would hardly ever penetrate the advanced shield-systems of the future. That's why you need to charge up lot's of power for a single shot to do any damage at all.

You can discuss this ad nauseum, but fact is: If you don't like it the way it is... don't let the door hit you on your way out.

Originally posted by prow

Originally posted by Ozreth

I dont like it either, but ask yourself this: how does a sword swing have a cooldown?

 

Sword swins dont have cooldowns... abilities do...

you're kidding right?

auto attack swings automatically for you which it does have a cool down. abilities are to sub in for more damage during that cool down, unless of course youre spamming abilities non stop.

Originally posted by jrs77

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by jrs77

A lasergun needs to charge up power for every single shot first = slow RoF.

 

Say what? How do you know how a "lasergun" works if such a weapon does not exist? And if so, why use that weapon when you can use a machine gun that shots out bullets 10x faster?

 

Bullets from a machine-gun would hardly ever penetrate the advanced shield-systems of the future. That's why you need to charge up lot's of power for a single shot to do any damage at all.

You can discuss this ad nauseum, but fact is: If you don't like it the way it is... don't let the door hit you on your way out.

This is the second time you said that. Last time I checked this was an MMORPG site and not Earthrise Fanboys United. Why dont you crawl back to the Earthrise forums with the rest of the fanboys instead of posting your stupid comments here.

Shields? So everyone is walking around with shields now?

Originally posted by prow

Why does this game have gun cooldown?  How the heck does a machine gun have cooldowns after shooting 1 bullet?  

 

Dang, this game is not going to work if it doesn't get more realistic...

 

Coming from Fallen Earth with NO cooldowns (shoots like a normal fps) I can't believe a company would make a WoW-clone with guns... wtf?

I'm going to only respond to this attempt at a thread by you once, so pay attention.
 

Anarchy Online came out in 2001, 3+ years before WoW.

Anarchy Online had the same "cooldowns" on pistols, rifles, machineguns, assault rifles, shotguns, energy weapons, and every other type of firearm.

Anarchy Online is now 8 years old.

Earthrise will survive just fine.

The door is that way------>>>>>.