Originally posted by CleffyII

Ya its pretty rare that the give it a break its beta excuse actually has merit.  But this time it might come true cause the stuff is already existing in the other localizations.

O M G! a smart person on the forums!

How can u talk about huge failure in the end of a CB because so few ppl actually were playing 24/7 like u prolly did? As far as i know, is not a must play a CB until the end, most of ppl try it out for a few lvls to see how its gonna look like, and then move over to a different game until OB begins....so stop talking crap.

As i said before many times, u didnt play as many CB's as u point out, and much less unknown games like this. I mean, lot of ppl didnt notice about this game in CB, and still a lot of ppl dont know about it right now.

The OB begins tomorrow, and for most of ppl this game together with Rohan are gonna be the best F2P mmorpgs out there.

So as said above, u simply were/are angry because the ban u got, as ppl said, and i bet u are gonna play OB tomorrow.

Regards, and have fun in game tomorrow to everyone who is gonna try out the OB of this game.

Edit to laugh a bit more...lol

"the simple fact is, the game is  complete, they attempted to port it over, there is NOTHIGN to fix, maybe improvements that the  NOrth amercian crowd want, but overall the game is complete, its a flop, and gravity has no clue how to run a game or what to do when porting" those are Napocalypse words.

Now explain to everyone where did u gather the info to say that the game is complete when not even korean requiem is complete! So yea...another pointless flame from someone who doesnt knows anything else than cry over and flame.
 If it was complete then it should release the game instead of an OB i believe.
Seems like u still didnt get the meaning of CB or OB. Lets try to explain u in a way u could understand.... B-E-T-A---I-S---A---T-E-S-T-I-N-G---P-H-A-S-E---T-O---H-E-L-P---I-M-P-R-O-V-E---A---G-A-M-E.

Now repeat it 20 times or more if needed.

Also i dont know if u quoted CleffyII because u was being sarcastic or just because u didnt even unterstand a single word of what he said :S but i bet it was the second...so l2read, as he didnt say changes werent gonna be made, he just pointed out that it might be true that they make changes (fixes), since the game already exists in other countries (locations)

lol they are not changing a thing, you are  an ignorant person, but a few here understand what you see is what you get.

and no this is  not even in the same ballpark of any  mmo out there as being good. Yep it is beta and I tested and gave feedback and did others and no changes ever took place.  This game is a waste of time for anyone to even bother with

rehashed dungeons, tiny dungeons, no  effort at all.  Have fun  killing the same model of mobs and same model dungeons all the time

Originally posted by Napocalypse

lol they are not changing a thing, you are  an ignorant person, but a few here understand what you see is what you get.

 

and no this is  not even in the same ballpark of any  mmo out there as being good. Yep it is beta and I tested and gave feedback and did others and no changes ever took place.  This game is a waste of time for anyone to even bother with

 

rehashed dungeons, tiny dungeons, no  effort at all.  Have fun  killing the same model of mobs and same model dungeons all the time

And u call me ignorant?u keep flaming because there was no change in  A SMALL CLOSED BETA fixing all ur wishes. Its funny, coz u really have a serious problem with reading, im so glad that requiem ban kids like u. Tell me F2P games that makes all the changes, patches, new content and all that u claim for in a Closed Beta that lasts for a few weeks. Every post u make, proves that u are more brainless than before.

As far as i know, the OB begins in a couple of hours, and the point of CB is to get reports for future fixes before OB goes live, so u have no right to complain about, at least until the OB goes out. After OB releases, u may flame for fixes that hasnt been done, or anything like that, but until then u have no right. You have the brain of a 6 years old kid, crying all over the forums because they didnt give u what u wanted at the time u wanted, so i advice u dont play CB? play full released games maybe? i doubt u played more than 2 or 3 CB.

Well Venaja, with the 250 new quests added from CB to OB the staff from requiem forums already said people would get to mid-high lvl in no time. I usually dont play F2P games for a long, but maybe i'll play this one until a decent P2P comes out (not AoC), as this one seems nice to me, and the new content just comes with the time, thats nothing new.

Another thing that makes me feel the game is gonna be pretty decent is that the OB might be short (tho they'll wipe the servers) meaning they will hurry patching the game and stuff, instead of launch an OB for years such as the other F2P games, but there is not any info about this, just rumours.

Also, seems like there wont be the same content in the russian version than this one, words from requiem staff :"We are not the same entity as Russian Requiem team. We decide our time tables as well as have unique content thanks to our localization team" so dont take russian OB as an example of how its gonna be.

So...we'll see how OB goes, maybe it'll sux or maybe not, but i'll give it a go for sure ;)

i give wow a lot of credit for having great marketing and appealing to masses and gaining  huge popularity that dwarfs any past mmo.  but I will never give it credit for being a real, or a good mmo.  It pretty much ruined coming mmo's as they are trying to  tap into that casual./kid market and we will never see any hardcore mmos ever again IMHO

to that one guy,  I accept paypal or egold  for that 100k $ US you owe me, since you are wrong on me having the client.

Originally posted by Napocalypse

i give wow a lot of credit for having great marketing and appealing to masses and gaining  huge popularity that dwarfs any past mmo.  but I will never give it credit for being a real, or a good mmo.  It pretty much ruined coming mmo's as they are trying to  tap into that casual./kid market and we will never see any hardcore mmos ever again IMHO

 

to that one guy,  I accept paypal or egold  for that 100k $ US you owe me, since you are wrong on me having the client.

WoW or any game for that matter is as hardcore as you want it to be.  Too easy?  Stop using the best weapons and armor.  Try doing missions over your level in subpar equipment.  Etc, etc. 

There's nothing wrong with WoW.  It's has its own strengths and weaknesses just like any other MMO.  I enjoyed the heck out of it for about 9 months before I moved on.  Honestly, the "kid" stereotype for the game is just stupid.  There's hundreds of thousands (millions?) of adults playing the game. 

I wasn't gonna answer u again Napo, but u kinda make me laugh /rolf /rolf /rolf

I didn't like WoW for it's graphics either, i though it was a game for kids, but i subscribed to try it out, and the game is no where near that. At least for PvE side, u need kinda a couple of mature people to make raids succesful (and i mean mature brain, not actually 20+ years old needed). It's the most beaufitul, well done and tactic PvE you will find out there in case you didn't know, i even miss it, tho i hate WoW because it's really hardcore if you RAID and it becomes a job more than a game.

Is not like you can succesful kill bosses with random people for first time and Vent/TS is very important for raiding, to most of guilds it takes months of daily raiding to advance a bit in PvE, so talk about harcore lol. Until now, i haven't seen better PvE than the one WoW has, simply as that.

So that just proves that you don't know a crap when you write your posts.

Edit: As u didn't play WoW, i'll explain you what a raid is, once u get to the max level, you go with your guild through dungeons to 10-20 ppl or 40 ppl ( pre-expansion). Try to do a raid with 20 inmature kids talking crap on Vent if you can, where 1 death may become the wipe of the whole raid, which means wasting at least, 5-10 mins like minimum of waiting. That shows how WoW is just for kids as you say lol

Anyway this is kinda offtopic as i don't want to make 10 posts talking about WoW cons and pros. The thread is more oriented to how inmature you are right now flaming on threads and crying all over.

my god you , for lack of better term, noobies to the mmo scene play wow and think its the only mmo to ever have raids. and  from my old eq guildees who played WOW<  the raids are a joke.  I know what raisd are, i was guild leader, raid leader, MT in my old eq guild for over 6 years.

And you do not need teamspeak or vent for a raid, thats plain retarded, you need good player, which WOW lacks.  No wow is not and never will be hardcore, its for kids , it is a starter/learner/introduction mmorpg, that  starts letting you attempt to learn to raid, group and play with other people.

haha  a raid wipe takes 5-10 minutes to regroup/rebuff etc...haha shows what  the extent and difficulty of a raid in WOW is right there. please go play EQ and then come back here and say WOW is a good Mmorpg, because you know what? You cannot do so once you play a real mmo.

it is immature not inmature, shows  what grade your in, they have not gotten around to that word for your pselling test this week yet eh?  use firefox at least they will give you a little red line  showing you  mispelled something, maybe you can learn  something new each day by your posts on how WOW has raids, is a good game (LAFF @ both statements). I was raiding before you ever even had a computer, please go away, or back to WOW so i don't gotta listen to another kid in world chat in a  mmo about how WOW raids were hard.

Originally posted by Napocalypse

WOW kid #1"OMG guys, if we wipe on this raid, we  gotta run back to this INSTANCE. and then rebuff, and that takes us 5 minutes. We will only have 25minutes left  before bedtime"

WOW kid #2"I got 15minutes before my mom and dad are making me go eat dinner"

WOW kid #3" Guys hurry omgzorz!!!111! I gotta do my  math homework!"

 

 

you kids, because that what you are, i dont care your age or anything, when you come here and say WOW has raids, and  was the first to do so, and try telling a original EQ'er  that he does not know what raids are, GTFO.  Everything in WOW  has been done again, they simply took/stole from previous Real mmos and  put  it into one MMO, and made it casual, so that you can get max level in a few days.

 

 Have you ever heard of a hell level? AA's?  Ever play for days for ONE level, and thats not even max level, and continue playing and exping to further your skills, no.   You think your little 10 minute boss fights are extreme.  Try planning for days and having bosses on timers.  Your little instances is a joke.  WOW is simply, a basic   learner MMO to introduce people into MMO's. I am glad you enjoy raiding, but until you  play a real MMO (BTW I see none coming out in the future because WOW ruined the market and everyone is trying to clone it... ) Do not dare come here and  say I do not know what a raid is and that WOW raids are challenging. Go play a ranger in EQ and come back here try talking to me. I was ShadowKnight and Cleric/Shammy as alts, but trust me, your little WOW is not a real MMO.

I never have and never will use ts/vent because I play with Good players, I don't have to be on  voice comms to  tell people how to play, or the target to  attack in pvp. If I do they are not good players, they should KNOW  what to do, If I wanted to teach people hwo to play I will just box, and trust me I boxed over 16 accounts before for contested mobs in EQ2 because people were not online.  Voice comms, in a non fps environment, is basically a few good players being on it and  teaching/telling the others how to play. And when you are not raiding or pvping, you all are bullshitting and  putting lame music and stuff on  vent/ts.  Sorry But I can think of a million other things than other, yes I include myself, loser guys sitting at home in front of a keyboard playing MMO's for hours on end, I however use it as a form of escapism. I got a real life.  But I  had no life back in the day for sure, back when I was EQing it up =D.

 

Please learn about MMO's before you come here trying to tell someone who has been around the scene longer than you will last in your entirety.

Another attempt to look so mature?

For your info, i've played EQ2, so yeah, i might know how the raids are there, and you didn't play WoW, so maybe you should learn a bit about it first before talk crap. The point of that you don't need TS/Vent to make a succesful raid with "your pro players" makes me laugh, as if you have to type what each person has to do in the chat, you'd spend quite a bit time.

And no...is not that ohhh 15 minutes wasted, kids bed time...it's more like ohh 15 mins wasted, i gotta go to sleep to get up to work tomorrow, do u know what is that? :) is not like everyone can spend 8-12 hours playing everyday.

The point of WoW stole all their content from other games....dude...every game has something based in other game...so what do you say? are you still in dreamland? /rolf

Personaly, if you don't use TS/Vent playing a raiding mmorpg...you must be very anti-social i have to say, actually i've laughed so much and had incredibly fun talking by vent when there was not a BOSS FIGHT, in a boss fight Vent keeps clear, only 1 or 2 speaks, have you ever heard of that? maybe your pro guild in EQ was so childish and dumb to make what you say on Vent, so thats why you didn't bother using it.

And yeah...you seems to laugh so much about a GAME YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED, but i shall remember you, i played EQ2, and the raiding there is not that good and tactic, requires less intelligence actually.

Does leveling time means a game is bad? i prefer get to max level in less time and enjoy high end content earlier than just spend half of your lifetime grinding to reach the max lvl.... Also, leveling speed of WoW and EQ is almost equal, go play WoW and let's see if you get to max lvl within a few days as you say lol. Maybe you read somewhere that you can get to max lvl in a few days of PLAYED TIME, knowing the game A LOT...which is not the same, another proof of ur dumb knowdoledge

Another thing is that WoW's bosses mostly are timer bosses that if you don't kill them within a stated time your raid will die almost 100%, poor kid living in dreamland...seems like i'm getting paid for speaking well of WoW lol, is not the case, as i don't like that much hardcore raiding games anymore.

So i advice you something, when you know a game and it's fully content, flame it because it's bad, but don't do it as a big mouth brainless kid just because you don't like it (just because you hear people say it's a bad game for kids).

And yeah, every wipe in WoW matters, A LOT for raiding progress. Since yes...1 wipe 10 mins of rebuffing and walking waste, but the timer of respawn trash mobs in the dungeon is counting ,maybe they respawn every 45 mins, or 1 hour, or 2 hours. So yea...it's very important to make good attempts and focus a lot, or you won't progress never, So count a bit, 10 mins of rebuffing and getting ready, 10-20 mins boss fight depending on how well you do it.  So at least 20-25 mins of waste, 30-35 like max, that makes 2-3 attempts  on a boss before wasting another while clearning the dungeon again. Maybe you are so pro that can get 20 people with you, without using vent, 1 shotting bosses that you never killed before, In many bosses phases you would fail without using Vent (unless using macro's for the chat, which is a crap spamming thing), if you don't believe it, just ask around. Average guilds make about 4-5 attempts a day on a progress raid, as there is not much more time when people has a real life outside their room, that simply proves that most of the raiding population in WoW are very mature. Inmature players don't get into raiding guilds, (they simply PvP or farm gold) either do people that doesn't use vent (or at least, it's very rare)

Well, you can keep the last paragraph for yourself, ill write it again for you, maybe you already forgot it ;)

Please learn about MMO's before you come here trying to tell someone who has been around the scene longer than you will last in your entirety.

And ye, you talk about EQ, i try to defend WoW, but every one has it's own opinion, and there are many other games with good raiding, but hey! you seems to know only about EQ so i won't make your brain warm so much today.

Also, is not like im glad of being the one who spends more time playing mmorpgs, in many ways i see it more as an addiction for many people than a game itself, but at least i bother reading a bit more and learning about the game itself before flame on forums, ie as you.

Edit: Btw, weren't you the guy who wasn't gonna bother downloading requiem client again? already saw u ingame after OB released, shouting by region channel.

About my spelling...well, i dont spell it as it has to be, because it would make me waste more time replying to you, and you are not the best one to correct me. I learned english almost by  myself, not in school, and is not my main language. Still, if i want to write in english as it has to be done i can do it, but why should i do it to answer you? I'd like to see how u actually speak spanish or portuguese :S

Originally posted by Adamaris

 

Originally posted by Napocalypse

WOW kid #1"OMG guys, if we wipe on this raid, we  gotta run back to this INSTANCE. and then rebuff, and that takes us 5 minutes. We will only have 25minutes left  before bedtime"

WOW kid #2"I got 15minutes before my mom and dad are making me go eat dinner"

WOW kid #3" Guys hurry omgzorz!!!111! I gotta do my  math homework!"

 

 

you kids, because that what you are, i dont care your age or anything, when you come here and say WOW has raids, and  was the first to do so, and try telling a original EQ'er  that he does not know what raids are, GTFO.  Everything in WOW  has been done again, they simply took/stole from previous Real mmos and  put  it into one MMO, and made it casual, so that you can get max level in a few days.

 

 Have you ever heard of a hell level? AA's?  Ever play for days for ONE level, and thats not even max level, and continue playing and exping to further your skills, no.   You think your little 10 minute boss fights are extreme.  Try planning for days and having bosses on timers.  Your little instances is a joke.  WOW is simply, a basic   learner MMO to introduce people into MMO's. I am glad you enjoy raiding, but until you  play a real MMO (BTW I see none coming out in the future because WOW ruined the market and everyone is trying to clone it... ) Do not dare come here and  say I do not know what a raid is and that WOW raids are challenging. Go play a ranger in EQ and come back here try talking to me. I was ShadowKnight and Cleric/Shammy as alts, but trust me, your little WOW is not a real MMO.

I never have and never will use ts/vent because I play with Good players, I don't have to be on  voice comms to  tell people how to play, or the target to  attack in pvp. If I do they are not good players, they should KNOW  what to do, If I wanted to teach people hwo to play I will just box, and trust me I boxed over 16 accounts before for contested mobs in EQ2 because people were not online.  Voice comms, in a non fps environment, is basically a few good players being on it and  teaching/telling the others how to play. And when you are not raiding or pvping, you all are bullshitting and  putting lame music and stuff on  vent/ts.  Sorry But I can think of a million other things than other, yes I include myself, loser guys sitting at home in front of a keyboard playing MMO's for hours on end, I however use it as a form of escapism. I got a real life.  But I  had no life back in the day for sure, back when I was EQing it up =D.

 

Please learn about MMO's before you come here trying to tell someone who has been around the scene longer than you will last in your entirety.

Another attempt to look so mature?

 

For your info, i've played EQ2, so yeah, i might know how the raids are there, and you didn't play WoW, so maybe you should learn a bit about it first before talk crap. The point of that you don't need TS/Vent to make a succesful raid with "your pro players" makes me laugh, as if you have to type what each person has to do in the chat, you'd spend quite a bit time.

And no...is not that ohhh 15 minutes wasted, kids bed time...it's more like ohh 15 mins wasted, i gotta go to sleep to get up to work tomorrow, do u know what is that? :) is not like everyone can spend 8-12 hours playing everyday.

The point of WoW stole all their content from other games....dude...every game has something based in other game...so what do you say? are you still in dreamland? /rolf

Personaly, if you don't use TS/Vent playing a raiding mmorpg...you must be very anti-social i have to say, actually i've laughed so much and had incredibly fun talking by vent when there was not a BOSS FIGHT, in a boss fight Vent keeps clear, only 1 or 2 speaks, have you ever heard of that? maybe your pro guild in EQ was so childish and dumb to make what you say on Vent, so thats why you didn't bother using it.

And yeah...you seems to laugh so much about a GAME YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED, but i shall remember you, i played EQ2, and the raiding there is not that good and tactic, requires less intelligence actually.

Does leveling time means a game is bad? i prefer get to max level in less time and enjoy high end content earlier than just spend half of your lifetime grinding to reach the max lvl.... Also, leveling speed of WoW and EQ is almost equal, go play WoW and let's see if you get to max lvl within a few days as you say lol. Maybe you read somewhere that you can get to max lvl in a few days of PLAYED TIME, knowing the game A LOT...which is not the same, another proof of ur dumb knowdoledge

Another thing is that WoW's bosses mostly are timer bosses that if you don't kill them within a stated time your raid will die almost 100%, poor kid living in dreamland...seems like i'm getting paid for speaking well of WoW lol, is not the case, as i don't like that much hardcore raiding games anymore.

So i advice you something, when you know a game and it's fully content, flame it because it's bad, but don't do it as a big mouth brainless kid just because you don't like it (just because you hear people say it's a bad game for kids).

And yeah, every wipe in WoW matters, A LOT for raiding progress. Since yes...1 wipe 10 mins of rebuffing and walking waste, but the timer of respawn trash mobs in the dungeon is counting ,maybe they respawn every 45 mins, or 1 hour, or 2 hours. So yea...it's very important to make good attempts and focus a lot, or you won't progress never, So count a bit, 10 mins of rebuffing and getting ready, 10-20 mins boss fight depending on how well you do it.  So at least 20-25 mins of waste, 30-35 like max, that makes 2-3 attempts  on a boss before wasting another while clearning the dungeon again. Maybe you are so pro that can get 20 people with you, without using vent, 1 shotting bosses that you never killed before, In many bosses phases you would fail without using Vent (unless using macro's for the chat, which is a crap spamming thing), if you don't believe it, just ask around. Average guilds make about 4-5 attempts a day on a progress raid, as there is not much more time when people has a real life outside their room, that simply proves that most of the raiding population in WoW are very mature.

Well, you can keep the last paragraph for yourself, ill write it again for you, maybe you already forgot it ;)

Please learn about MMO's before you come here trying to tell someone who has been around the scene longer than you will last in your entirety.

And ye, you talk about EQ, i try to defend WoW, but every one has it's own opinion, and there are many other games with good raiding, but hey! you seems to know only about EQ so i won't make your brain warm so much today.

Also, is not like im glad of being the one who spends more time playing mmorpgs, in many ways i see it more as an addiction for many people than a game itself, but at least i bother reading a bit more and learning about the game itself before flame on forums, ie as you.

Edit: Btw, weren't you the guy who wasn't gonna bother downloading requiem client again? already saw u ingame after OB released, shouting by region channel.

The differnce between EQ and EQ2 is tremendous but hes correct, wows far from original and far from complex. EQ1 raids and classes are complex, where in wow they are for the casual gamer, and for all ages. WoW is very simplistic, very! Im not knocking either game but seriously, wow is nothing.... easy to play and easy to master. I have a few 70s myself, for wow that is, and in comparison to EQ1 raiding, it doesn't come close, by any means, in difficulty.... I myself wish a company would put out a new mmo similiar to the original UO, but with everyone catering to casual gamers, it will never happen.

Meatimus, you are comparing WoW burning crusade raiding with EQ1 raiding, then why don't u better compare WoW old raiding with it? we all know WoW expansion raiding is 1000 times easier than the old 60's content that only a couple of guilds managed to raid deeper

Originally posted by Adamaris

Meatimus, you are comparing WoW burning crusade raiding with EQ1 raiding, then why don't u better compare WoW old raiding with it? we all know WoW expansion raiding is 1000 times easier than the old 60's content that only a couple of guilds managed to raid deeper

FACT: WOW is for casual gamers of all ages. Its nowehere near as complex as EQ. Sorry, its just the truth. Theres really no argument about it. If you asked me which game I enjoyed more, I probrably liked wow more, but the fact remains EQ was more complex in both its classes and raids.

I never said EQ1 wasn't complex, i said EQ2 raiding is a joke. I was pointing out that WoW is not that much for kids as people say, such as napo (WTF KIDS MMORPG words) The point is that he flame games without even have tested them, such as WoW, he already confirmed that he didn't play it anytime, but still he thinks to know so much about it and flame it all over.

As you played WoW i bet you know there are many mature players, i would say 90% of raiding players are mature,  as there is a low chance of getting accepted by a decent raiding guild if you are an inmature kid. And thats what i'm trying to defend out, from that Napo because he doesn't know a crap.

From my point of view, a game that requires to be very hardcore it's usually infested by inmature people, as the rest can't afford the time of playing them.

And yeah...with the time mmorpgs will become more and more casual, as the last thing adult players want is a second job, so it's normal that WoW seems to be less hardcore than EQ, but that game is pretty much old, it's like comparing an old Atari with a PS3

I rarely decide not to try a game based on one or two people's opinions. I find it best to try it out for myself. There is no better judge than yourself to find out if a game is interesting or good enough for you to play it.

OP, u make this forum so lively i just gotta see what all the fuss is about

thnx Napo, im downloading it right now to try it out

nice post on eq/wow meat,  same meat from back in CB>?

Wow, heh, how did this conversation get off onto a WoW vs. EQ tangent?

Well, I guess comparisons are really kind of hard to avoid in this field, and will never really disappear.

But there is no true comparison between EQ1 raiding and WoW raiding, other then the fact that you get people together to try and kill a raid boss. After that the comparisons start becoming pretty thin. Sure there are some, like you need enough healers, a decent tank or two, and enough DPS to win.

But honestly, EQ1 raiding was on a different level, and if you've never played EQ1 it's sort of hard to understand.

Let's look at a Plane of Fear Break-in from EQ1.

First, the zone-in to PoF is in the middle of a pathing area. So MoBs can be there when your raid zones in, there is no safe zone-in like Molten core, or all of WoW's raid instances. Zone-in was fight on the go. You usually sent in scouts to see if it was clear.

Second, the aggro range on the MoBs was scary and if Cazic was up you could actually aggro the main boss of the instance by accident and wipe the raid if you didn't know what to do. That can't happen in WoW either.

Imagine being able to aggro Ragnaros if someone fell in the lava in Molten core and he would run all the way from his room to the entrance and aggro everything on the way.

Now, let's look at the number one difference between WoW raids and EQ1 raids. Death.

Sure, there is an xp penalty in EQ1, but that wasn't the reason nobody wanted to wipe on a raid.

What happens in WoW when a raid wipes. Worse case, no raid recovery and everyone has to run back, repair and rebuff, and then clear some stuff that respawned. Leaving aside a bugged instance, this is the worse case scenario for a WoW raid.

EQ1 Raid gone wrong worse case scenario is an absolute nightmare.

First off when you die you are not a ghost, you respawn totally alive. So you must actually fight all the way back to your corpse. Every single piece of trash in the way.

Second, when you die, your equipment stays on your corpse, it does not reappear with you. So you are running back naked. Just try imagining fighting anything in WoW without any equipment in a high level zone.

Third, you need to get your corpse from the middle of an instance area that has raid level MoBs in it. And remember that you are naked. Recovery from an EQ1 raid wipe was 10 times longer then a WoW wipe.

In any case, I have raided high end content in both games. They are apples and oranges. The raids in EQ1 were not as technically difficult as they are in WoW. That's one thing I loved about WoW raids, they were so interesting and you needed real tactics to win.

But EQ1 raids were Strategically difficult. Just getting a raid in place was a fight in and of itself. Plane of Hate and Fear are great examples of that. Now, they weren't all like that, and as they added stuff they started to dial down a little, with safer zone-ins, and more technically difficult encounters.

In any case, it's useless to argue over apples and oranges.

OP seems very 1 sided on his topic so arguing with him will get u no were....remember your sisters!

Do you really think is that easy to bring an asian mmorpg to the english players napo?

If so...why almost every mmorpg released for english players is at least months/years behind asian updates?

Is not a copy and paste job made in 2 days, requiem is a "new" game not another asian game released for english players 2-5 years after the asian version. That means they gotta work on the content much more(the content comes with the time) , i know they don't have it, but it will come eventualy, and of course their priority is to fix the low lvl content before release a new one, low-mid content is the most played in every game, while high-end content is by far much less played.

So claiming right now in the OB (people is wrong with F2P OB because most of the games release OB's with cash shop that last for 6months-years) for new content when the low content is not fixed, is retarded, much more retarded when people knows the chances of the OB getting wiped are very high, if not 100%.

I'm not sure of your goal, but mine is not be the highest level with the best gear as sooner as possible.

And no, the game is not finished at all, not even the asian version (i've read somewhere that they got updates to the latest dungeons not much ago). You are very wrong if you think it's another ported game. Is not the same port a game released 3-4 years ago for asians (such as rohan) than port a fairly new one.

Requiem korea OB started on july 21, 2007, in case you didn't know.

Of course some people will leave the next days to play Rohan OB, but as soon as requiem fix the game they will come back. I've played rohan jp and the game is pretty much old, don't get me wrong, the game is good...but it's going to release a bit late here, the good thing of Rohan is GvG (guild vs guild) , it has 0 end game content, you only will do GvG and duels, nothing new really. I have more hopes on a new game than a 3-4 years old game.