Wow seriously OP you are one of the most dim people i've seen post in awhile.

The SIM's whole basis is the fact that it is an RPG. All you are doing is role playing the character (That is the whole freakin game).

I mean wtf do you think and RPG is, because your arguments make about as much sense as saying the world is flat.

Originally posted by DefiledF

 

Originally posted by Wardden

I think the OP needs to chill on forcing his opinions on others, great you found Diablo lacking and do not think it deserves the title RPG. You are welcome to that opinion, but it is just that an opinion, because you think it DOES NOT make it so. In this case it is a minority opinion and will stay that way no matter how much you argue with people.

Would I consider the developer the experts on RPG's nope and in my opinion it would not even be a company that primarily develops for PC. Instead I would consider Square-Enix at the head of the class based both on future projects and past portfolio, that is however my OPINION.

The RPG label has very little to do these days with Roleplaying, instead it is used to describe games where we can assume the roel of a hero or villian of our chose and play them in a fantasy world. The degree in which we role play with in these world is often up to the user to decide as even games that would fit into that small little pigeon hole of what you consider an RPG are played by people with no inclination to role play. Examples  being the inclusion of RP server in many of todays MMO's, including WoW and EQ2.

Also your Tropico and Sims analogy is inadequete considering it is universally agreed that these are simulation. I don't know what Hellgate did to you but every company make grand claims, do you scan the boxes and read the websites then rush here to dispute them?

 

Bullshit, since when a RPG had to be in a fantasy setting?

 

 

Also, Square are good at ~stories~ but there's no RP whatsoever in their games. They're as much a RPG as Diablo is, but with a prominent story.

 

For a proper RPG experience barring pen and paper you have to look at games like Planescape: Torment, Fallout or The Witcher, just to give a newer example. Games where you decide (within boundaries, sure, but they're needed to tell a story, heh) what your character says and how he/she behaves. Those are generally accepted to be RPGs in the proper sense.

Please read my post did I say fantasy setting or did I say a fantasy world. A fantasy world can have elves, or battle armor, or what ever you fancy, hence the term fantasy world. Before quoting a post and calling it bullshit please take the time to read it for what it says not what you want it to say.'

And again OP that is a list of what YOU THINK an RPG should have, not what a RPG must have to Qualify as one.

I think it's ridiculous that any company would claim to be the authority of anything they didn't invent themselves...

Ironic, though... Sounds as if the OP thinks HE'S the RPG authority.

I think the safest way to approach the analysis of the genre of Diablo/2 would be to compare it to other games. Arguably, the biggest commonality between all RPGs is the avatar. It is very defining of an RPG to have a sole character who evolves over the course of the game through statistics, skills and equipment. Quests, long-term character goals, and a sense of adventure are also very common. Hand in hand would be unrestricted travel throughout an open world practically at any time.

I could go on, but the point is: Diablo has many aspects found in most RPGs. Regardless, it declares itself as a hybrid. The action-RPG subgenre is known to be light on the story and heavy on the fast-paced action. If you're looking for a video game just like Dungeons and Dragons, you should know better.

In the same sense, Hellgate is more of an Action RPG, too... Maybe they should've just emphasized the action prefix before having someone like the OP pop a blood vessel... It's just your everyday marketing.

Of all insane claims I have seen in this place, this takes the price.

Diablo not an RPG?

Mate, do your research, Diablo invented the action RPG genre.

Diablo is not to be measured against other RPG's for determening wether or not it is one, all other games are measured against diablo to determine wether or not is an action RPG.

But as you say, you do not even care what other thinks, it is not an RPG in your book, and that is fine we are all entitled to our opinions after all.

But why then even bring it up?

You are not going to change your view regardles of what arguments we put forth obviously.

But to be frank the "We who do not think diablo is an RPG club", is by all probability the loneliest club in the gaming community.

Since its release this is the first and only time I have heard this claim.

I migth not agree with the statement that FSS is THE authority on action RPG's.

But Diablo and DiabloII with their expansions are still the yardstick against wich all others are measured.

Saying that they are not RPG's is like saying a meter is not a distance.

Diablo 2 was a online RPG. Action RPG, or whatever.

Song can be dedicated right towards the OP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM5ptMHXlIw

Originally posted by Umbrood

Of all insane claims I have seen in this place, this takes the price.

Diablo not an RPG?

Mate, do your research, Diablo invented the action RPG genre.

Diablo is not to be measured against other RPG's for determening wether or not it is one, all other games are measured against diablo to determine wether or not is an action RPG.

 

Your claim is insane you are not really argumentating or giving some proofs, all you are saying is "Diablo is action RPG, it invented it, NO ARGUE ABOUT IT".  If you could react to what I already said what defines RPG it would be worthy to read, if you're bored to do that, then what the hell are you doing in this thread.

Hmm, yeah. Just so you know you are trying to say something isn't a RPG that fits the actual definition.

I think you have to go write Miriam Webster's Dictionary and complain to them. Note #2 the last 5 words in the sentence. Let us know how that turns out.

Qualification for RPG:

1) Control a few characters that gain experience and level up.

That's it.

Originally posted by lightblade

Qualification for RPG:

1) Control a few characters that gain experience and level up.

That's it.

Then I suppose Fallout or Morrowing is NOT a rpg.

The Sims is a RPG game based on that, because you control multiple characters there with each set of special skills.

Originally posted by Thillian

 

 

The Sims is a RPG game based on that, because you control multiple characters there with each set of special skills.

.... The sims is an RPG. You need to put down the crack pipe and walk away from the computer.

Note Sim is short for Simulation. it is thrusting you into simulating the role of the avatar in which you control.

That is role playing buddy.

You really need to define your definition of role playing because it doesn't fit any dictionary out there.

I don't post often because I find it diluting to say the least when so many good views are just passed by because of biast people who can't be swayed in either direction. With that said, let me educate.

Flashship Studios is the branch off of Blizzard North. Blizzard North made both Diablo 1 and Diablo 2. Both titles had story. Just because people where too busy with the intense hack and slash action of this awesome ActionRPG title doesn't mean there was no story. If you READ the quests and put half ass effort into realizing who Diablo was and his relation to the other Prime Evils, then it would just get you a better reason to go back out and do the Hack&Slash fun.

So, RPG's need story, Diablo has a story. 1 point for Flagship as RPG Authority.

In Diablo 1 & 2 you had to create a character, pick tune his abilites and make descions about the equipment he would use and why. You had a Talent system much like Feats or Spells in a D&D Setting. You had to put some sort of thought into how your character would play out. That is another requirment for an RPG to be classified as such.

So, RPG's need character development. Diablo had that. 1 more point for Flagship as RPG Authority.

What also set this game apart from the rest was it's replay value. Sure maybe the tile sets got boring. But staring at the same land mass that never changed in titles like NWN or MMORPG's like EQ just meant I wouldn't have to tread the same ground over and over and raid the same scripted boss over and over. In Diablo 1 & 2 you had to make decisions based on what mods had what resistances at that time. That meant no boss fight was always the same.

So. RPG's usually intitle the player to some replay value as far as different character builds, dicisions and in hole a different adventure every time. Diablo 1 & 2 had that. 1 more point for Flagship Studios.

With all that Said. There is 3 valid reasons as to why Flagship can say the are the Authority in Action RPGs. There was a lot of action in those games. I felt like a hero everytime. Also 3 very strong RPG elements witch make it a what? Exactly.

Just because every other crappy copycat game Claims to be action RPG title that can't compete with the inovation of Diablo 1 & 2 doesnt mean the hole genre is a joke. Quit playing copycat games like FATE or Dungeon Runners. There gunna feel played out because they add nothing to the genre. There just people wanting to make money with someone elses good ideas.

At this point I'm just rambling because I can't fathom how someone could take something like "Action RPG Authority" out of context when it most definitly applies to this company. Name one other Action RPG or even an RPG for that matter that sold more copies then Diablo 1 and 2. You won't find one.