pstruth is not Mathy. His writing is too intelligent and he is not self-depreciating enough. If he was, these conversations would go more like:

"Look at all the problems the devs cause and nobody listens to me. The Devs are so mean."

<ensuing argument>

"Please stop talking about it now. I did not mean to cause any trouble. It is all my fault. I am sorry everyone hates me. I can see I am not wanted here."

-In PMs after that to all the people that argued with her:

"I am older than you and by default that makes me more mature. You need to treat me with more respect and listen to what I say because I have earned it. If you do not agree with me, it is because you hate me."

Originally posted by UtMoon

pstruth is not Mathy. His writing is too intelligent and he is not self-depreciating enough. If he was, these conversations would go more like:(...)

Yeah I'm not so sure...  they sure do sound alike.  If it's not Mathy, then why did he/she post the link to this site?  You gotta wonder.

I actually have logs of Mathy chatting quite intelligently; actually quite like pstruth here...  He/she definitely  knows how to "play" the woe is me card as pstruth is now starting to do with the whole, "let's have a do over" thing.

(Excuse me pstruth, I'm sorry, you called it a forum wipe er...  I mean...  forum flush...  I stand corrected.)

It wouldn't be a do over.  I don't expect you to ever forgive me.

Originally posted by pstruth

It wouldn't be a do over.  I don't expect you to ever forgive me.

yeah...  your right UtMoon, too intelligent to be Mathy.  (no I'm not being sarcastic).

pstruth redirects too well and can pick up on this too quickly.  He's way too eager to put the blame on the person he was trying to protect in another thread.

I'll let you handle him/her.  I'm out.

I'm not mathy.  I'm spelly.

I've found UtM and the other devs and members of the community to be extremely nice, though stressed. Give them a freaking break.

Yeah, the Devs are pretty nice, especially the gms. I love the cool events, a friend of mine has three staves and a holy helmet, that looks so cool. The devs do a lot, especially to fix all those annoying bugs -.-.

After reading this thread many times, I concluded that since my posts and thread contributions to the PlaneShift's forum are the main excuse to bring up the so called “culture problem”, I’m entitled to say a few words to all of you:

I understand that many of my posts on the PS forums did not fall on good soil… I don’t apologize for those… But it could be wiser to send me a PM about it. Perhaps spending fewer of your sacred minutes to let me know if I’m annoying or if in your opinion my comments, posts, threads or contributions are out of context, dramatic, useless... or simply flat stupid.

I can hardly believe all the effort to build this thread by responding to each other about something most have no clue about. Yes, you speculate! About many things! But in this case, it’s not only about how you all think the PS staff carries on the situations, or how things should be run or managed, or what kind of cliché is in place to answer politely. It’s also about how I feel when I get responses both here and there.

Well, here it goes: Yes, you have the right to use my public posts on your public forum. No, you’re not entitled to put any words in my mouth or any implicit idea of how I feel when I get such responses. I’ve never looked at them on that perspective, but now that you’ve enlightened my sight, I’m awake enough to tell you all that it could have been rush, defiant,  or perhaps even degrading. But you should ask yourself if you know so much about how I felt, Why does this thread made me feel worse than all the answers and critic posts I’ve got in PS forums altogether?

If you had the time and courage to do all this, go ahead and seek for my first reaction to this thread. Hint: It’s on the PS forums. You know them very well as even I can tell!.

I simply can’t understand how is it possible that the way I post reveals the quality of player I am on PlaneShift. I still consider myself an average player... You guys just completed the sentence: I’m an average player and a stupid poster. So stupid, that you all felt comfortable echoing things I’ve never said, feelings I truly never sensed, then put them aside and continue with your rusted confrontation.

Some of you have evolved to become polite or the opposite to “Vocal, loud, and self-righteous players…” But if this thread is the result of it, I rather stay in my cave. I used to think that credibility emanated from words, not from faces. You just made me feel absolutely sure of it!. Seems that I have to qualify as the average player of your taste so my sayings be considered as useful.

I’ve been reading other threads in here. It seems that you’ve been having the hell of a ride with each other. I just wish to ask you to let me out of it. I don’t know how to ask for this (and I truly don’t want to), but if any of you have a clue of how I feel, or is wise enough to judge my “averaginess”, or simply understand that this thread really adds nothing constructive at all, please delete it or ask someone who can to do it!

Mathy, your first response has always been to play the wounded character which you do so well because it's exactly how you've responded to suggestions and critiques in the past.  People give you praise with a hint of a suggestion and your first response is that they hate you and you run and hide.

Trying to play that game here and now won't prove to anyone who has the IRC logs, or can search the posts, or talk to the people you've recently dealt with. 

Even your own words from the message above:

Quoted from Mathy above:

"I can hardly believe all the effort to build this thread by responding to each other about something most have no clue about. Yes, you speculate! About many things! But in this case, it’s not only about how you all think the PS staff carries on the situations, or how things should be run or managed, or what kind of cliché is in place to answer politely. It’s also about how I feel when I get responses both here and there."

End quote:

You just proved my point in that one paragraph.  You even go so far as to attack back, but then withdraw as if you've already been hurt by a response.

And yet you continue your vanity thinking this post is about you!!!  You were only the subject of the real issue which is the way in which the psdevs supposedly maltreat people (which is the farthest thing from the truth).

Yes we strayed from that at the end...  for that I am sorry.  We Digressed.  We are as human and frail as you are.  Get over it.

Go back to your hovel and play the wounded character.  Don't think about how you've TREATED people or MISREAD what someone else has posted or how you have MISREPRESENTED what someone else was thinking or feeling.  STOP BEING A GOD-DAMNED HYPOCRIT.

While we're at it, why did you even post the link in the PS Forums if you didn't want the attention drawn to you.  You do these things on purpose Mathy.  You want the attention on you so you can play the wounded soul and get pity from everyone else.  Please don't tell us otherwise.  You've done it before, and you'll do it again no matter which new name you chose for yourself.  It's your nature.

The final proof is the way in which you posted that last message here.  In fact, its that you even made that post to begin with. You worded it so that we'd have to respond when we found your post.  It's what you do.. It's typical Mathy.

And why make it so hard to read Mathy?  You could have stayed with the normal font and color, but instead you purposly chose to use an obscure color and font so that others would have to really really look at your post to be able to read it.

Well Kiddo, (and I understand you are no kid in real life) ya done good!  You got what you wanted.  You set yourself up for yet another major downfall.  Let's hope you enjoy this one as much as you do the other.

This is what this reminds me of:

Little Joey and Little Mikey go the playground. At first they play together on the swings together happliy. Then they get bored so they find a ball to play with. Then Mikey throws the ball to Joey and he misses it. After running to get it to throw it back to Joey, Joey says, "No don't throw it like that. That is how a girl does it." This hurts Mikey's feeling so he hits Joey saying, "I am not a girl." Then the fight begins until one little boy calls out, "Mommy!" The mommies come around and ask what happened. Both little boys say, "He hit me!" The mommies smile at each other knowing a nice day at the playground has just ended.

So before I take my ball and go home, I have something to say. When I first start playing in this playground of Planeshift I loved it. There were so many people who befriended me. As time went by I noticed how many of my friends had left and it did sadden me. So there I was looking out over the playground only seeing new people. I thought to explore as to why so many left. Maybe it was just me thinking things had changed enough to make people leave. Slowly I came to realize that it was not just me. Many people were getting discouraged and they were taking their balls home to play. Again maybe it was a crusade of mine to find why our little playground was not good enough for all my friends and many others as well.

This so-called 'crusade' to maybe make things better got me in hot water, shall we say. Many did not like what I had to say. So the insults started to fly my way. I thought I was doing a good thing. Instead it made what I doing seem wrong. Many of my friends supported me in what I was trying to do so the insults did not stop me. Now I must stand back and reconsider my stand. This was a great place to play until Joey and Mikey started to fight and had to go home.

So Mom is calling me. "Mathy were are you? This is not a nice place to play anymore." I just look up at Mom and say, "Why?"

Originally posted by Mathy

 

This is what this reminds me of:

 

Little Joey and Little Mikey go the playground. At first they play together on the swings together happliy. Then they get bored so they find a ball to play with. Then Mikey throws the ball to Joey and he misses it. After running to get it to throw it back to Joey, Joey says, "No don't throw it like that. That is how a girl does it." This hurts Mikey's feeling so he hits Joey saying, "I am not a girl." Then the fight begins until one little boy calls out, "Mommy!" The mommies come around and ask what happened. Both little boys say, "He hit me!" The mommies smile at each other knowing a nice day at the playground has just ended.

 

So before I take my ball and go home, I have something to say. When I first start playing in this playground of Planeshift I loved it. There were so many people who befriended me. As time went by I noticed how many of my friends had left and it did sadden me. So there I was looking out over the playground only seeing new people. I thought to explore as to why so many left. Maybe it was just me thinking things had changed enough to make people leave. Slowly I came to realize that it was not just me. Many people were getting discouraged and they were taking their balls home to play. Again maybe it was a crusade of mine to find why our little playground was not good enough for all my friends and many others as well.

 

This so-called 'crusade' to maybe make things better got me in hot water, shall we say. Many did not like what I had to say. So the insults started to fly my way. I thought I was doing a good thing. Instead it made what I doing seem wrong. Many of my friends supported me in what I was trying to do so the insults did not stop me. Now I must stand back and reconsider my stand. This was a great place to play until Joey and Mikey started to fight and had to go home.

 

So Mom is calling me. "Mathy were are you? This is not a nice place to play anymore." I just look up at Mom and say, "Why?"

 

 

   I rest my case.  You have presented it for me without even realizing it I'm sure.

Your vanity and hypocrisy run deep as does your martyr complex, but what most people don't realize is how controlling that is.  You often turn things around, as you've done above, so that you feel in total control.  You were in control when you posted the link to these forums, you were in control when you pushed people's feelings aside for your own, and you are trying to take control now by avoiding the real issue of the Mods supposed maltreatment of people.  Heck, you didn't even acknowledge the apology from my post.  That only goes to prove your particular brand of shallowness. (Notice I didn't say you had to accept, but you completely ignored it as if it didn't exist.  It's psychological trait that only people like you exhibit.)

You need to look seriously in the mirror sir/miss/whatever or find some professional help.  There are many out there who can assist you and take low income assistance.  I've recently been given some e-mails that really tell your story well, especially how quickly you can turn on someone.  The odd thing is that person still thinks they did you a great disservice.   I don't know why that person insists on treating you fairly and I am really tempted to show that person some of the irc logs from some of your 'chats' or show them just how low you can stoop. 

But that's not why I am here. And I apologize for letting you take me there.

All I have to say on this subject is...  Get over yourself please!!!! and let this thread die!

However, I know you will post again, and keep it up, and keep this thing going and going and going.

Good luck with your life or what ever you have left of it.  If you are this way in real life, then I truly pity you.  You must be a miserable person to be around.

Oh...  and this thread was never a nice place for you to play and you knew that before you even posted.  This thread was bashing you to begin with so why post?  Could it be part of that Woe-Is-Me syndrome?  hmmmm....  Go back to Mommy.  Perhaps she can show you where you should be playing.

I will not be back Mathy, so you want the last word (woe-is-me, poor-me)...  Go for it.

Don't hate me now, but I'm the same kind of person. :D Hearing somebody with an issue is useful, after hearing it for 200 days/day, I'd love to get rude myself. I could do worse TBH!

Planeshift is open-source, you could change you want. So my first response would be: "do it yourself".
You can also feel the helpful developers, or at least they help each other! Which is essential to make good games.

Hmm... I think i'll go to the PS forums to have fun, in a massive flame-fest between PS devs and 'players' (never really played it).
Yes I like annoying people! Especially people who say: "This makes me want to go right to your house and slap you in the face.".

I just want to apologise to PSTruth at this point.

While I understood and experienced some of his view of PS and the developers, I nevertheless rabidly defended the game. I believe this was, in part, because of my own lack of experience with the PS project, and because, at that time, the negatives had been balanced by the positives.

I'm not posting this to bash PS or its devs, merely to express an apology which I believe is due.

Originally posted by UtMoon

"I am older than you and by default that makes me more mature. "

I wouldn't say it's by default, but given the young people I encounter, I would say it's far more likely that an older person will be more mature.

Of course, this is the modern, enlightened age, where we've done away with social conventions such as respect for one's elders, and children should be seen and not heard.

I think a similar complaint was made in Rome, around 300 A.D. I can't recall exactly when, my memory is a bit fuzzy (I tended to drink back then, before I learned that drinking is not going to civilize the barbarians or restore gravitas and veritas to a rotted society.)  I just remember having the same argument with some surly young lout from Florence in a filthy robe.

Moon is generally nice, Kieve is mostly nice.

XilliX is a walking neurosis with delusions of grandeur.

But the problem with the entire development team is they can't accept the idea that their project is not the second coming of Doom/Quake/WoW/The Ten Commandments/Lord of the Rings/insert epic creative effort here... in the eyes of other people. Say, people who've played commercial efforts. You know, successful games.

Any enthusiasm for the project is quickly squashed by their insistence upon treating volunteers as employees. And while they seem to think that a "not-for-profit" organization is no different from a commercial effort, when they are dealing with volunteer help, it is.

For one thing, the volunteer help is less likely to have the talents (generally) of a commercial enterprise. For another, scheduling is going to be a problem, since the volunteers have other issues which must have priority over the project (in clinical terms, I believe this is called "having a life" or at least "... a job".) Thirdly, unless the volunteers have the same adoration of the project as the devs (something that I suspect would require getting one's first computer sometime last week, and therefore never even having heard of "rpg"s) there is little reward for the volunteers, so most rational people will not put up with much abuse of their time or patience. Far less than actual employees who expect a paycheck.  It's just a fact of life.

In a commercial effort, for example, before a high-resolution, 3d model was created for the purpose of creating a normal map, the source 2D image of the final model would normally be approved by someone with that authority, *before* the model was almost complete and mapped. In a commercial effort, that kind of mistake happens, but far less often because it cost$ money, plus there is someone whose job is specifically to do that approval, and he would have a replacement in the unlikely event he needed to be away from work mid-project for any length of time (which demonstrates the scheduling and quality issues I mentioned above).

This is just a hypothetical example, of course.

Game mechanics are not treated professionally. GM team has issues with professionalism and nepotism. The dev team in my experience is sincere individuals who are doing this in good faith, but they get undermined by certain GMs and the extended community of PS provincials. Way, way, overdue for a wipe of stats, skills and inventories. Guild houses need to be revoked and the slate needs to be wiped fresh.

Hiraghm is right, you get what you pay for.