A little tidbit of old information:

From February 11, 2007.

Total PS accounts:  340,000 or so.

Accounts never used:  112114

Total characters used less than an hour : 141557

Total characters active more than ten hours:  9416

Accounts active in the last 30 days: 14787

Accounts created in the last 30 days: 18103

Accounts created in the last 30 days never used: 7614

Active accounts older than 30 days (repeat players, I like to call them):  4297

Accounts active in the last week: 3632

Active accounts in the last day: 1021

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Current information:

There are more players online at a time now than last year.

Players online at the time of this post (3/28/08 4:00 GMT, aproaching the least active time of the day): 117

Info from a stat bot: Server statistics since Wed Sep 26 21:59:45 2007: availability 92.1%, longest time up: 34.5 hrs, longest time down: 57.3 hrs, avg uptime: 5.2 hrs, avg downtime: 0.4 hrs.
Server statistics for the past week: availability 78.0%, longest time up: 14.3 hrs, longest time down: 34.4 hrs, avg uptime: 6.9 hrs, avg downtime: 2.1 hrs.
Avg number of players online last week: 97.

As you can see, the 'average' included server downtime, which is 0 players. This makes the number of players online when the server is up to seem like a lot less. I assume these are the numbers he was using. Statistics are tricky things, and pstruth should get his hands on some actual numbers before trying to discount something and present his 'facts'.

Originally posted by UtMoon

A little tidbit of old information:

From February 11, 2007.

Total PS accounts:  340,000 or so.

Accounts never used:  112114

Total characters used less than an hour : 141557

Total characters active more than ten hours:  9416

Accounts active in the last 30 days: 14787

Accounts created in the last 30 days: 18103

Accounts created in the last 30 days never used: 7614

Active accounts older than 30 days (repeat players, I like to call them):  4297

Accounts active in the last week: 3632

Active accounts in the last day: 1021

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Current information:

There are more players online at a time now than last year.

Players online at the time of this post (3/28/08 4:00 GMT, aproaching the lest active time of the day): 117

Info from a stat bot: Server statistics since Wed Sep 26 21:59:45 2007: availability 92.1%, longest time up: 34.5 hrs, longest time down: 57.3 hrs, avg uptime: 5.2 hrs, avg downtime: 0.4 hrs.
Server statistics for the past week: availability 78.0%, longest time up: 14.3 hrs, longest time down: 34.4 hrs, avg uptime: 6.9 hrs, avg downtime: 2.1 hrs.
Avg number of players online last week: 97.

As you can see, the 'average' included server downtime, which is 0 players. This makes the number of players online when the server is up to seem like a lot less. I assume these are the numbers he was using. Statistics are tricky things, and pstruth should get his hands on some actual numbers before trying to discount something and present his 'facts'

 

 

 

No, average uptime and downtime has no effect on the average player online during uptime. Unless really borked programming wise, the number of players statistics are separate from the uptime/downtime calculations. So the 97 players online is indeed inline with pstruths' figures. And active accounts should be for people currently playing at least once a week as far as statisitics if your going to want to show 10,000 real people playing currently. From the system I see represented in your post, an active accounts is any account used more than 10 hours.

And I won't say this is anything new, as most free to play games out there that tout "millions of players" are counting every person who ever signed up for an account, whether they played or not. At least the figures here do show accounts never used, so I'll give credit for that.

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Originally posted by Zorvan
No, average uptime and downtime has no effect on the average player online during uptime. Unless really borked programming wise, the number of players statistics are separate from the uptime/downtime calculations. So the 97 players online is indeed inline with pstruths' figures.

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Bravo, Zorvy. You just discounted all of pstruth's posts in other threads that blatently attacked either the game, the devs, or the players that you never responded to. I repeat. Double standard.

I have also not reported any of ps'truth's posts that were not trolling me, and only did so to one many weeks ago. Do not place me in a group with others. Which reminds me. Where is the group of people that agree with pstruth? You know barely anything about the game, so do not count. If he was right, you would think there would still be people coming in here to support him. Odd that the great majority of people do not. Of couse, he will imply it is because the PS devs are sending over brainwashed minions to do their duty.

Originally posted by Tuxide

 

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Originally posted by Zorvan
No, average uptime and downtime has no effect on the average player online during uptime. Unless really borked programming wise, the number of players statistics are separate from the uptime/downtime calculations. So the 97 players online is indeed inline with pstruths' figures.

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The bot that generated the 97 figure wasn't written by anyone inside of PlaneShift, it was written by a fan. I'm not the one who wrote it, but it was based off of another bot I wrote.

 

Alright, so then the calculations done by the bot are not necessarily coinciding with the actual data put out by the games' system. That would explain a discrepancy in the figures, then. Thank you.

Originally posted by UtMoon

Zorvan, knock it off already.

Yeah, Zorvan!  Quit holding people accountable for what they post!  It's inconvenient.

Originally posted by UtMoon

In the last thread, you defended pstruth for posting his opinion. Now you are deriding Talad for posting his? Come on now. Drop the double standard bit and step back to look at what you are doing.

It is pstruth's opinion that there is a problem with the Devs and GMs of PlaneShift. He presents it as truth. It is his opinion that the IRC channel and forums are flamepits full of power hungry mods. He presents it as truth. It is his opinion that the Devs do not listen to player's wishes. He presents it as truth. Time and time again he has openly presented his opinion as the only  truth, even after he has been proven wrong by others who do not share his opinions.

You have torn apart Talad's post because of his opinions. So, Zorvan, where are your posts with itemized quotes deriding pstruth's blatent opinions? Honestly, step back and look at the big picture once in a while. Not everyone against pstruth is, as you so insultingly called us, a fanboi of PlaneShift. What is the word you would use for someone who goes out of their way to put the game in a bad light? Or don't you think those type of people exist?

I think it's fair for you to point out that I post opinions as well.

However, Talad is doing more than just posting his opinions.  He's acting like he owns this forum.  He's saying that anyone who sees things differently than him is a troll and should leave.  He's presenting an extremely intolerant, black and white view of things, when reality isn't on his side, and he's being very hostile about it.

On the official forum, that stuff flies depending on who's doing it.  Here, not so much.

Originally posted by UtMoon

For your information, pstruth's posts are not always honest or truthful. He likes to leave many things out when proving his opinion, twist information, and put a negative spin on his wording with the intention of goading others.

And yet you still wonder why your posts get so many mod edits...

Alright, at this point I'd advise just ignoring Zorvan's posts.  And I don't mean this as a flame, they are simple there to annoy people.

Anybody who knows me knows that I'm going to never live this down but, listen to UTM.  He was right in the 14 year old thread and he's been right so far here.

I understand you don't like pstruth's posts, Talad.  Neither do I and neither do any of the PS players who actually add to the community.  So, just ignore them.

Originally posted by UtMoon

As you can see, the 'average' included server downtime, which is 0 players. This makes the number of players online when the server is up to seem like a lot less. I assume these are the numbers he was using. Statistics are tricky things, and pstruth should get his hands on some actual numbers before trying to discount something and present his 'facts'.

Thank you for posting that.  It was very enlightening.  It looks like the true number of active players is anywhere from 4,000 to the number Talad posted, depending on how you do the math and how you define "active player".

My number for average number of players online (80-100) comes from experience.  Usually when I'm on, it's around 60 players, but it can also be three times that number if there's an event.

My math was not an attempt to skew anything.  It was merely the best data available to me at the time.

Edit:  After reading Zorvan's reply to your post, I'm no longer sure who is right.

Originally posted by Nurahk

Alright, at this point I'd advise just ignoring Zorvan's posts.  And I don't mean this as a flame, they are simple there to annoy people.

Originally posted by Nurahk

I understand you don't like pstruth's posts, Talad.  Neither do I and neither do any of the PS players who actually add to the community.

Says you.

I'm sorry.  But, at this point can you just go create a new thread, pstruth?

I have no arguments with you but, I figure we've gone off topic enough as it is.

I don't mean this in a "Get out of the thread" sense but "Let's go somewhere better to talk about this".  I'm sure you agree :)

Originally posted by pstruth

 

Originally posted by Nurahk

Alright, at this point I'd advise just ignoring Zorvan's posts.  And I don't mean this as a flame, they are simple there to annoy people.

I disagree.  Strongly.  I think Zorvan has contributed a great deal of objectivity since he's an outsider to all this.  Every thread he posts in quickly degenerates.  He comes in to police and just annoys people.  And granted, he can be seen as neutral if you want, but he obviously enjoys arguing  (No offense, of course, but  that's what forums are basically for ;P ).  So yes, he does somewhat stir the pot for those reasons.   That's all I meant.

 

 

Originally posted by Nurahk

I understand you don't like pstruth's posts, Talad.  Neither do I and neither do any of the PS players who actually add to the community.

Says you.

Merely using the best data available to me at the time  ;)

Originally posted by UtMoon

Which reminds me. Where is the group of people that agree with pstruth? You know barely anything about the game, so do not count. If he was right, you would think there would still be people coming in here to support him. Odd that the great majority of people do not. Of couse, he will imply it is because the PS devs are sending over brainwashed minions to do their duty.

I also think there's evidence that people are worried about being banned or punished for what they post here.  Tuxide told me that some GMs contacted an mmorpg.com staffer to try to obtain personal information on me.  Why would they want such information if not to retaliate?  (The staffer refused to cooperate.)

As far as why more PSers don't post here, I would say it's because they aren't regulars to mmorpg.com.

Frankly, who in their right mind would want to make posts critical of the game when they see what happens to others who do?