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LOL, ok, maybe you didnt get the help needed is because you were asking npc's? Sorry, i know thats probably a typo but picturing someone trying to have a conversation with an npc is kinda funny, may i ask, did the npc's talk back?

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Originally posted by pstruth

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Originally posted by Tuxide
It is fun to pray to Laanx to have them struck down.

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Hmm. I'm going to assume that it's consentual and good humored.

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Of course it was consensual and in good humor, and that was fun as hell. Not too often people assemble to do one thing, but it's getting better. Out of my five years of playing PlaneShift, I would say I've enjoyed it the most in the last month or so.

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Originally posted by Zorvan
Talad simply should not be the one to argue his games case in any forum.

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...and God I hope he is beginning to realize that this is what his fans are for, to defend their game of choice. But even then, I cannot explain everything. One day PlaneShift will have a PR team and I am looking forward to seeing it.

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Originally posted by Zorvan
Hope that clears up my standing in this, at least.

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Yes, mainly confirmed what I already knew about you. I already figured you were not one of these "libre game" activists, and I don't know why they continue to bother posting here. I am only criticizing them for being unable to defend their arguments. I personally do not care either way if the art is free or proprietary. I am glad to see that there are least some civil people still posting on this website. The only thing I really have against you is the "pompous ass" comment, since calling people inappropriate names is intolerable as per Rules of Conduct. I don't mean to lawyer you though, but even Twinchaos quoted that from you and his post got mod-editted.

...and just to stay on topic, there is a "compass" in game. It is called the Azure Sun, and it is always south of you.

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Originally posted by Zorvan
Give me a break. I was not being "protective" of anything or anyone. I simply pointed out that you were obviously looking for any reason you could find to argue with Twinchaos' post, and the complaint you latched onto was an invalid one. Some people consider that sort of behaviour "trolling".

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I mean, seriously, look at this one:

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And anyone can plainly see that the answer to the question would have been the same whether the question was "I really need a planeshift map........", or if it was extended to "I really need a planeshift map, does someone know a god webbpage with a map?". The response was that the only maps, not "the only maps on a webpage", were in a stickied thread (which apparently no longer exists), and that a map is a spoiler and you have to make your own. Which has everything to do with what the posters argument was about, and I quote:

"No, anyone who suggested a detailed regular map, a mini-map, a compass or anything that shows some kind of coordinates was/is frowned upon because the "devs" consider it to be a "spoiler" and that it "prevents exploration". ".

I honestly can't believe that you actually made a complaint about the snipping of the title, when it didn't change the meaning or point of the post. Did you just need to find something to argue with there?

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Regular map was never frowned upon and I knew it to be in plans for as long as I've been playing (playing on and off since May 2003). Minimaps, however, were always frowned upon, yes. Not because devs are some sick bastards who want all new players to find themselves lost, but because they want to give opportunity to people wishing to roleplay cartographers. How evil of them, isn't it? This thread has been dwelling the land of flawed logic and incorrect statements from its very beginning. You can't possibly troll in it.

I dare you to look up threads which frown upon ingame maps (not minimaps). If you know what you're talking about, you'll have no problems with that. But if you don't, well, let's just say in that case you're really in no position to call anyone a "troll". Sounds fair?

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Originally posted by boognish75
Sorry, i know thats probably a typo but picturing someone trying to have a conversation with an npc is kinda funny, may i ask, did the npc's talk back?

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Yes, of course the NPCs talk back to you. PlaneShift uses a highly sophisticated natural language processor to detect what you are saying and figure out how to respond. If you say "Where can I find a book", the librarian accurately responds with "I don't have any, try a library!" Of course improving NPC dialogue is a work in progress and user suggestions to improve it are highly encouraged.

I might/can overlook  the lack of ingame maps (etc.)  BUT, what fun is being stuck in the deadzone for almost a week?  Yes I try to follow others then plummet to my death over a unseen clift.   Wheee fun 

I would simply like to point out. that I am in no way  a GM, nor a Dev, I am simply a player of the game. and I happen to enjoy it. Its a free game..no one is forcing you to play...I have never been much of a complainer myself and I tend to look for the good things in everything..I donno it just seems to make my life a little bit better ;) you all should try it sometime.

This is not Korean style MMO kill reappearing mob 1000 times get exp and gold.

This is RPG. And this means you have to comunicate with others. And simply ask way out play your role.

If you do not like RPG part of game go kill 10000 mobs and get your next lever in silkroad etc.

This thead is stupid flaming on game just is is maybe only real mmoRPG. Not just MMO level/item gaining action game/Diablo clone.

This thread hasn't had a post in it for over two years until you came along, and is dead as the game appears to be.

No wonder why thread dead when its name is like this and even in Caps lock.

Some kind of stupid failed in tutorial posted this FUD and someone believed.

Thread dead.

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Game itself is very active new version is in development, there is sound contest and ppl play game itself in 2 very active servers. I play it now on other PC for my first day and I like it...wonder why so much crap posted here.

It's an extremely ambitious project, undertaken by a non-profit group.

OF COURSE THE TECH DEMO ISN'T GOING TO BE A GREAT GAME!!!

They barely have a third of the features down!

I don't think the lack of a mini map is game breaking. It contributes to the community and experience and feel of the game. if you can't deal without one... well...  kinda lame.  What breaks this game is the utter lack of game play.

Originally posted by Boaal

I don't think the lack of a mini map is game breaking. It contributes to the community and experience and feel of the game. if you can't deal without one... well...  kinda lame.  What breaks this game is the utter lack of game play.

I repeat, they haven't even got a third of the features in.

I might/can overlook the lack of ingame maps (etc.) BUT, what fun is being stuck in the deadzone for almost a week? Yes I try to follow others then plummet to my death over a unseen clift. Wheee fun  <-- ever consider looking before you leap?

Blame only your communication and exploration skills I managed to get outside in less than 30 minutes first time.

Maybe you want to make map and share with others? Or make map and use for your own advantage? That is fun and idea of this game and if you want to kill mobs gain gold and xp this game not for you, but this does not mean that game is bad.

Evidently, they don't have a good map because they think it's a "spoiler", which has nothing to do with this game's stage of development, manpower or funding resources.

A foolish thinking on their part and an elitist attitude from their inadequate supporters. This lack of feature doesn't promote any communication, only causes wasted time and makes more people leave this game. Not having a map in an MMORPG is nothing but a lazy excuse.

No player is required to be a game developer to determine whether a game they're playing is enjoyable or not. Considering that it's this game's developers (specifically its project leader) and occasional fanboys, not the players, who are advertising it as being designed to "commercial quality standards" in their Crystal Space 2006 Conference. Not to mention, it's been advertised as a BETA, not a "tech demo" in the same presentation, which is a final testing stage just before a full release.

If this game's developers and supporters can't handle valid criticism, then perhaps they shouldn't be making a game in the first place and reading these discussions at all.

Thought I would point out how flawed your post is.

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Originally posted by Kemistri
Evidently, they don't have a good map because they think it's a "spoiler", which has nothing to do with this game's stage of development, manpower or funding resources.

A foolish thinking on their part and an elitist attitude from their inadequate supporters. This lack of feature doesn't promote any communication, only causes wasted time and makes more people leave this game. Not having a map in an MMORPG is nothing but a lazy excuse.

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First off, you're making a generalization that disregards exceptions by arguing from a special case—cookie cutter MMORPGs. I'm not going to say that PlaneShift should never have a map, but I've played some excellent MMORPGs that did not have one. One cannot have played all MMORPGs and know what would work in others and what doesn't.

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Originally posted by Kemistri
No player is required to be a game developer to determine whether a game they're playing is enjoyable or not. Considering that it's this game's developers (specifically its project leader) and occasional fanboys, not the players, who are advertising it as being designed to "commercial quality standards" in their Crystal Space 2006 Conference. Not to mention, it's been advertised as a BETA, not a "tech demo" in the same presentation, which is a final testing stage just before a full release.

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Another generalization here, but also an ad hominem: What role someone takes up has nothing to do with the logical merits of his or her argument. Also, there is a straw man argument here because you are misrepresenting the sense of BETA that is being used. This is an MMORPG forum, and here beta means early access, bugs, and wipes. I'm not going to argue what sense is being used, but in this sense calling PlaneShift a beta neither breaks nor defines the general rule. I do agree that open alpha would be more technically correct, but there is no such thing as an open alpha in the MMORPG world. MMORPG.com does not even categorize games as such.

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Originally posted by Kemistri
If this game's developers and supporters can't handle valid criticism, then perhaps they shouldn't be making a game in the first place and reading these discussions at all.

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Here you could be arguing in a circle. Just because you say your criticism is valid doesn't mean it is (and none of it is anyways), and your conclusion about who should read this forum is irrelevant to the generalization that you made and are trying to apply it to.

You know what, I give up. I'm gonna stop watching this abomination unto everything that separates humans from dirt.

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Originally posted by darkb457
You know what, I give up. I'm gonna stop watching this abomination unto everything that separates humans from dirt.

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only uncool people bad at communication debate skill dont like planeshift

thats how we know planeshift is a better game

theres no reason anyone would ever dislike planeshift unless he was just a bad person

also btw i heard the emperor got some new clothes today

On second thought, Kemistri is the qubodup troll from FreeGameDev.net. His post on the hype meter looks like the usual stuff he writes here.

First off, you're making a generalization that disregards exceptions by arguing from a special case—cookie cutter MMORPGs. I'm not going to say that PlaneShift should never have a map, but I've played some excellent MMORPGs that did not have one. One cannot have played all MMORPGs and know what would work in others and what doesn't.

Cookie cutter MMORPGs.   Hmmm.   Just out of curiosity... can you tell me one game that does NOT have a map?  That like saying boardgames (monopoly, etc) don't need a board : No playing field.    How will I know where something is that is not immediately visible on the screen?    Where are the NPCs?  Let's just run around and maybe I'll find it?  Or do you give it way?  Just follow the yellow brick road...

Originally posted by Kemistri
No player is required to be a game developer to determine whether a game they're playing is enjoyable or not. Considering that it's this game's developers (specifically its project leader) and occasional fanboys, not the players, who are advertising it as being designed to "commercial quality standards" in their Crystal Space 2006 Conference. Not to mention, it's been advertised as a BETA, not a "tech demo" in the same presentation, which is a final testing stage just before a full release.

Another generalization here, but also an ad hominem: What role someone takes up has nothing to do with the logical merits of his or her argument. Also, there is a straw man argument here because you are misrepresenting the sense of BETA that is being used. This is an MMORPG forum, and here beta means early access, bugs, and wipes. I'm not going to argue what sense is being used, but in this sense calling PlaneShift a beta neither breaks nor defines the general rule. I do agree that open alpha would be more technically correct, but there is no such thing as an open alpha in the MMORPG world. MMORPG.com does not even categorize games as such.

Ad hominem (for the uneducated) means an arguement meant to discredit a testimony of someone because they have a undesireable/bias trait.  ie: The man in the bleachers calls the umpire blind because he called his kid "out" at first base.  

 Kemistri does list the undesireable / bias trait.  Everyone knows that if you create something, you're going to speak well of it.  This isn't an undesireable trait.  We all do it!  What he was saying, the players who have an objective opinion are not allowed to rate the game.  Their negative reviews are squelched.  This poses a unequal evaluation of what could be an average MMORPG.

Let me say this...  I've played a wide variety of fantasy MMORPGs over the years.  I started when it was just text.  We (my friends and I) would play anything we got our hands on... we enjoyed some.. others we banished to the "OMG, do not play this thing."  I even created an AD&D character generator.  I made the mistake of asking people for advise.  I got a LOT of questioning, argumentative email.  I finally created a forum for people to hear my general response to duplicate questions.  MOST, and I mean more then 90%, we're negative.  My response was simple.  Hey, you didn't have anything before.  At least this is a start... Wanna improve it?  Here's the source code.  And I dropped it in the message.  750,000 lines of code.  The mainframe at the college I was in wasn't happy about that.   But when some of the "naysayers" started to read the code and realized that I typed it all by hand.  I didn't hear as much negativity.  NO ONE tried to improve the program...

If you give people the best of what you have and they don't like it?  you have two responses... build 'em a better one... or ask them to help fix it!  If you don't have a map... Ask someone to create one for you.  There are people out here in the cyber world who do nothing else but stuff like that... they enjoy it!   Don't believe me?  Google the phrase "walkthrough" and see what I mean.