Originally posted by rsreston

 

Originally posted by Gkarn

If they would update their graphics like Anarchy Online is doing. That will bring them some new and old subs.

What?? The game is beautiful! Games only revamp their graphics after some 6-7 years - IMO. It takes a huge effort to redo all the textures. AO was pretty ugly (even Everquest looked much better than AO in comparison).

 

Now why isn't CoX a huge success? Some ppl have pointed some strong points, and I'd like to comment on them:

- PvP doesn't happen everywhere: you have to go someplace to spar with your friend - that sucks.

- Missions are repetitive but not because of the maps (which could be more diverse) - it's because of the objectives: kill all enemies, find N things, kill all enemies inside the base - doesn't change much from that. If only we had more ways to solve missions (like D&DO has...)...

- It's not soloable after lvl 20-25 (except if you're playing with a Mastermind). If you solo, you'll take forever to get to max. So you must play at all times in a group - that sucks.

But the game is improving and it seems that the move from Cryptic to NCSoft was a blessing, as many improvements have been done to the game - and the future ones seem exciting as well.

 

You dont know what you are talking about when you say that it's not soloable after lvl 25. This is probably the most solo friendly MMO game out there. You can set the difficulty level to suit your skill. I soloed a brute to 50 in 145 hours. Please dont spread false information!

Originally posted by gronbek

Originally posted by rsreston

Originally posted by Gkarn

If they would update their graphics like Anarchy Online is doing. That will bring them some new and old subs.

What?? The game is beautiful! Games only revamp their graphics after some 6-7 years - IMO. It takes a huge effort to redo all the textures. AO was pretty ugly (even Everquest looked much better than AO in comparison).

 Now why isn't CoX a huge success? Some ppl have pointed some strong points, and I'd like to comment on them:

- PvP doesn't happen everywhere: you have to go someplace to spar with your friend - that sucks.

- Missions are repetitive but not because of the maps (which could be more diverse) - it's because of the objectives: kill all enemies, find N things, kill all enemies inside the base - doesn't change much from that. If only we had more ways to solve missions (like D&DO has...)...

- It's not soloable after lvl 20-25 (except if you're playing with a Mastermind). If you solo, you'll take forever to get to max. So you must play at all times in a group - that sucks.

But the game is improving and it seems that the move from Cryptic to NCSoft was a blessing, as many improvements have been done to the game - and the future ones seem exciting as well.

You dont know what you are talking about when you say that it's not soloable after lvl 25. This is probably the most solo friendly MMO game out there. You can set the difficulty level to suit your skill. I soloed a brute to 50 in 145 hours. Please dont spread false information!

You SOLOED a Brute in 145h??

huahuahua

Get a life!

I agree that mission diversity both in maps and objectives is what the game needs. Often times when I'm doing bank missions ,stop the robbery mostly, I find myself saying, "Why can't the main body of the game be like this. By this I mean to include if you stick around and do stuff after the bank job, like save the jewelry store stop a fire. Hell, why are there no missions that involve chasing down a criminal driving in a car, stop him before he reaches his destination. Also the way mission contacts are handled didn't feel right for a super hero setting.

The lack of super feeling also comes from the fact that you never face off against mundane criminals and crimes/emergencies. Hell you can go and stop a purse snatching and feel like you are super till the purse-snatcher turns around and spits fire at you. Being a super hero isn't generally about being the underdog either. If I have super strength and I punch a normal guy it should feel like it, not just sound like it. Instead you hit "thug" with your super punch and he doesn't go flying, yeah his health drops a little or you one shot him because he is gray but come on. I can rip up peices of the ground from under my feet but I can't punch a gang member and knock him clear across the street? I can shoot ice from my hands but I need a water tank pack to put out a fire, and rather slowly at that.

Granted if they added Mundane crime it more then likely couldn't be a way to level up but hell you could make it contribute to your hero reputation and with enough reputation lead to interesting and hidden story arcs. Make the NPCs react to your presence even. Even offer some kinda buffs or powers based on your rep. They could take those titles you get as you level up, make them require "rep" and then based on what title you wear it gives you a buff or a new power as long as you have it.

I don't agree with you on the graphics note, visually I think the game is fine, it is better then WoW and it is older as well. The niche market thing works both in its favor and against it. It will always have that group because it is the only Super Hero MMO but at the same time you get those people that just say "Eh, super heroes are lame." The reality of the situation, I feel, will reveal itself with the release of Champions online

Originally posted by rsreston

 

Originally posted by gronbek

Originally posted by rsreston

Originally posted by Gkarn

If they would update their graphics like Anarchy Online is doing. That will bring them some new and old subs.

What?? The game is beautiful! Games only revamp their graphics after some 6-7 years - IMO. It takes a huge effort to redo all the textures. AO was pretty ugly (even Everquest looked much better than AO in comparison).

 Now why isn't CoX a huge success? Some ppl have pointed some strong points, and I'd like to comment on them:

- PvP doesn't happen everywhere: you have to go someplace to spar with your friend - that sucks.

- Missions are repetitive but not because of the maps (which could be more diverse) - it's because of the objectives: kill all enemies, find N things, kill all enemies inside the base - doesn't change much from that. If only we had more ways to solve missions (like D&DO has...)...

- It's not soloable after lvl 20-25 (except if you're playing with a Mastermind). If you solo, you'll take forever to get to max. So you must play at all times in a group - that sucks.

But the game is improving and it seems that the move from Cryptic to NCSoft was a blessing, as many improvements have been done to the game - and the future ones seem exciting as well.

You dont know what you are talking about when you say that it's not soloable after lvl 25. This is probably the most solo friendly MMO game out there. You can set the difficulty level to suit your skill. I soloed a brute to 50 in 145 hours. Please dont spread false information!

huahuahua

 

You SOLOED a Brute in 145h??

huahuahua

Get a life!

You still don't know what you are talking about

Originally posted by Writh

The lack of super feeling also comes from the fact that you never face off against mundane criminals and crimes/emergencies. Hell you can go and stop a purse snatching and feel like you are super till the purse-snatcher turns around and spits fire at you. Being a super hero isn't generally about being the underdog either. If I have super strength and I punch a normal guy it should feel like it, not just sound like it. Instead you hit "thug" with your super punch and he doesn't go flying, yeah his health drops a little or you one shot him because he is gray but come on. I can rip up peices of the ground from under my feet but I can't punch a gang member and knock him clear across the street? I can shoot ice from my hands but I need a water tank pack to put out a fire, and rather slowly at that.

Granted if they added Mundane crime it more then likely couldn't be a way to level up but hell you could make it contribute to your hero reputation and with enough reputation lead to interesting and hidden story arcs. Make the NPCs react to your presence even. Even offer some kinda buffs or powers based on your rep. They could take those titles you get as you level up, make them require "rep" and then based on what title you wear it gives you a buff or a new power as long as you have it. 

Villains could go around snatching purses or beating up protestors (don't tell me you haven't been tempted). Eventually an NPC reports you and a squadron of Longbow comes after you. You either have to defeat them or evade them for a certain length of time before they give up.

Now where's that suggestion forum???

There are two reasons why the game isn't super big.

1.  Instanced misson maps lack variety and feel of immersion

There was a time when everyone would fight crime on the streets until leveling in the mission maps became the best XP/hour.  In a way it kind of hurt the feel of zones seeing so many heroes together in a city of heroes was an ecstatic feeling to me.  But everyone was in their instances instead and street sweeping kind of went of way despite later changes.   The zones I feel offer depth and I why I enjoy my hero/villain fighting in them compared to a small instanced map even to this day (Not to mention more flexibility in being able to use your travel powers).

2. No feeling of superiority over anyone else.

It is kind of ironic that a lot of gamers complain about others having better gear and wish for equality.  And yet that is exactly (almost)  the CoX series offers.  Your level 50 is pretty much the same as my level 50 except for the different power sets and powers selections from those power sets.  The additions of loots in a way offers differintiation between players but for the most part they all can function.  This is the greatest strength and weakness at the same time of the game.

I am suprised people consider this game a niche game considering it is usually over the 100k mark in subs on average.  To me that is not a niche game but it definatley has room for growth. 

Originally posted by Hoplites

I am suprised people consider this game a niche game considering it is usually over the 100k mark in subs on average.  To me that is not a niche game but it definatley has room for growth.  

In those other games, a character's origin plays a much larger role in skill and ability selection than it does in CoX. In CoX, all ice tankers have the same available powers no matter  if they have magic or technological origin. A character's physiology/anatomy has no bearing on their actual abilities.

CoX qualifies as a "niche game" because there are no other straight-up superhero MMOs out there. Once Champions Online goes, well, online... CoX will lose its niche status.

Repetitive missions. Everything else is good, just doing the same ole is going to wear on a lot of players. Now I'm sure we all have our ideas on how to make it better, what I don't get is that Cryptic has had this what for 4 years and they haven't been able to really figure out how to make more unique quests, better storylines, maybe some coming style storytelling while in mission etc?

They added PvP to a game that was sold as PvE, which I think almost always means "no one plays", which means always a waste of resources. They fall into the trap everyone does, they hear reasons why others never tried the game and PvP was one near the top, they add it but they don't realize those people saying they want PvP, weren't interested in actually buying the game if you have it or not now. 

They just added more content that is too close to the same as the rest. They have done some nice things but what is the bread and butter of a PvE game? Combat model and Quests. Thye just haven't opened up the creativity bucket enough on their quests. Still great fun in spurts though, nice combat and group pve. Still solid graphics and as noted wonderful character creation and nice skills.

I didn’t say that COX was a bad looking game. But if you want to get people and older subs back, update the graphics. People love to see their old characters in new form, trust me on this.

I like City of Heroes, and will continue to play it, period. I don’t think there will be a game out there in the near future that I will subscribe to. Stargate Worlds has my attention, but I will wait to see if the Vanguard effect happens, then see.

I can foresee that COX will be doing some mission adds in the near future. If they can make some Super Raid type stuff, it would help also.

Originally posted by rsreston

 

Originally posted by Gkarn

If they would update their graphics like Anarchy Online is doing. That will bring them some new and old subs.

What?? The game is beautiful! Games only revamp their graphics aft