Don't feed the troll.

Originally posted by Lobotomist

This group of people has now taken over JGE forums. Their goal is to harass any poster recommending anything new or any change or evolvment of JGE from its old classic. Any post with new idea or something different to what they knew and are used to in the classic game, are met not by arguments but straight personal insults.

 

My only hope is that this attempt to ruin any potential of this up comming game will not succeed, and that the developers will realize they are dealing with loud and aggressive minority that will do world of hurt to the game and the fan base it is hoping to achieve...

First paragraph...

I swear when I started reading it I was like wait a minute... This was exactly what someone said about Vanguard while it was in beta.

I'm not trying to compare the two games.. I'm talking about the "community" thing.  When the Vanbois flamed anyone that said negative things...  Or didn't agree with their vision of how the game should be.

Personally to me in many ways forums have always been like that.  If you have a tech question and use the tech forum you may avoid it.. but the general forums .. are usually just like general chat channels.. oh and that's the first thing I disable when I start any game.

The second paragraph...

That's a two stage thing.

First developers need to remember that forums are not the place to get ideas for game development.  They should already know the course their game is going to take and at most if they respond to feedback.. it needs to be hands on feedback.. not forum wars.

Second... when you cross the line of "helpful" or having an "opinion"  you need to lose access to forums.  Just like when you harrass, exploit etc in games.. you need to be gone.

I honestly wish that all game developers would start a database.  So that serious exploiters and griefers could (as best they could) be banned from every game out there.

Hell if people drive away customers and kill a game... I'd be up for the game developers being able to pursue civil action to recover their losses... (ya hey why not... its only fair... semi sarcasm but I'm sick of how some people act online to be honest.  Such a small percentage can affect such a large player base... all while hiding behind the internet).

I mean think about it.. you secure 10's of millions to create a game.  Then a small amount of people kill your game ... (potbs is a great example of that imho... and maybe this game will be too).

Originally posted by Brooster-JG

Don't feed the troll.

By the way, nice quote :P

Problem with MMO's is you deal with people.

Most people suck.

The way the masses act and are dumbed down worldwide is just totaly pathetic. Online of course is far worse because people are safe behind their screens (so they think).

Just remember karma always catches up with you.

Even EVE which has one of the best communities has me to the point other then advice I don't help anyone not in my corp/alliance.

My cure. Ignore them all. All the shi^ talking spammers and scammers. My ignore list on games are usually enormous. I am known to almost insta ignore people. City of Heroes and SWG (pre broken) got me to that point.

City of Heroes I even have enemy chat just turned off from all the smack that happens there. SWG my iggy list was prob in the hundreds.

EVE is different. People smacktalk but not normally to the degree in the less mature games.

In any case every MMO I played is VERY easy to ignore people. 1 button and they go away forever. I wish it was so easy in real life....well legally that easy

Don't worry about people smack talking, just ignore it and enjoy your game.

What people say and think about me in a game or in life don't matter at all to me. What matters is how I think of myself. 

Like it's with most games and communities, if you're interested go there and make your own picture. Gather some information, feel free to post your own suggestions or participate in going threads. But please, just don't start things with stating some predecessor game sucked and failed miserably, because this small team garage game with a crap publisher never reached the player numbers of EQ or WoW or has a big usercount after being 6-7 years online, because of all these stupid features, mostly ones that made the game great in the eyes of the (former) players, and lacked such great things like autopilot or 2d/3d avatars. Some of the hostile reactions to these posts were undoubtly to harsh and needless, some later understandable after 'suggestions' degenerated to scarcely camouflaged community insults and flame bait, but ignoring the poster or some more decent worded replies would have been better. Though not everyone is a born civilized liar and insulter, aka diplomat, or is sick of this tradition of false politeness and enjoys the freedom of the web a bit too much. And some just forgot that not everyone is part of the community long enough to know how to take some replies.

Others, like me, don't like these evercloned 'boring online single player games'. The fear that, now that after 8 years of old Jumpgate finally a chance of a modernized and better game emerged, this may turn out as, or into, just another version of the former mentioned games led to quite some overreactions to suggestions of a certain feel. Posting what ignorant bastard id**ts they are, or even including the ones that post valid counterarguments,  is usually not considered a successfull tactics to get your point heard.

Tortoise alias Solo

I said myself , i wont post in this tread anymore. I said what i had to say.

But your post , Tortoise is well worth answering...

I never considered JGC a failure that sucked. If anything I agree with you - otherwise I wouldnt be interested in JGE , which i am very much ( despite the community ). I only said that JGC "failed" because it didnt have enough mass appeal. I quote failed for i belive the game was less succesfull than it could have been.

So ND now has JGE , as a second chance - and the good one. For real succes that it deserves.

They should reconsider how to minimise the "niche game" and come into mainstream. Adding 3D/2D avatar is good way to do it. It makes the game automatically more appealing to crowd , while in same time takes nothing from the "core" gameplay.

You see , i have faith in JGE , and would like to see it succed - but unlike above mentioned crowd - i know that just remaking hardcore game will not cut it. Hardcore game of this type will live, on life support , but for a game to succed it needs to attract many users.

This was my "radical" idea

And for this i was dragged trough dirt on JGE forums.

I agree , i should not have reacted to insults and flames - and only contributed to hostility when i reacted.

But there was no reason for personal insults , to start with ...

I stand by my claim about JGE community. Surely there are some good and bad apples there. But at this moment - bad ones outweight the good ones. And i feel no wish to participate there until the situation changes.

Good to hear that, Lobotomist. The problem was you touched a bit of a sore point and sometimes it was easy to (mis)read negativity into your posts. Though I have to agree a bit that somewhat more accessibility could do the player numbers some good, but unfortunately I doubt that JG can leave its niche completely. And as said, there is always a bit of fear that the game could completly join the dozends of mainstream games, with loosing one of a hand full of games that may provide more than that. And quite some tried to jump the WoW train and failed, while quite some niche games survived 5 years and more now earning some income. None of them, maybe with the exception of Eve, made their devs, or some investors, rich though.

Originally posted by mike470

 

Originally posted by Brooster-JG

Once upon a time there was a forum troll. The troll craved attention and begged the world to agree with all of his marvelous ideas and phenomenal insight. So the troll went to visit the JGE forums and enlighten the obviously low IQ, uneducated and horribly uncreative community on how to make every aspect of their world better.

See, the troll know better. It knows better than the players who have played the game for 8 years. Knows better than the pilots who flew beta. Knows better than the players that worked with the devs to fix problems and create new content. Knows better than the company who is actually developing the game and obviously understands business plans, project management and the ability to meet deadlines more than any other person who ever lived.

So the troll posts its ideas. But instead of being welcomed with open arms and an international holiday being declared from the sheer brilliance and wisdom of the ideas, the troll is met with opposing opinions. How can this be? Do the players over at JGE simply not understand that they are foolishly disregarding the most important ideas ever to be thought of? What the troll (in its world where it and only it is the center of the universe) doesn’t understand is that the ideas have been discussed before. They have been talked about over and over and over again. Talked about on the original JG forums, on the JGE forums and on numerous fan sites for JG.

But the troll is never wrong and it craves attention. It needs to be acknowledged as brilliant and all knowing. So the troll posts again and gets the same feedback. Desperate, the troll moves into stage 2 – playing the victim.

The troll goes to MMORPG.com and talks about the brutal community that is JG. How mean they are, how unfair they are and just how plain hurtful they are. A few people glom on to this and this helps feed its ego. But then, some players from the JG community respond here and that upsets the troll. How dare they have a thought! How dare they point out that JG is the best online community that they have ever known. So the troll discounts their comments based purely on the number of posts that they have made. How could anyone with so few posts be able to bring anything factual and insightful to the table. (Never mind the fact that the troll has an infantile number of posts on JGE compared to those who opposed his views – Pot, meet kettle).

Moral of the story? There are three.
1) Don’t disregard a game simply because of the inane ramblings of a forum troll.
2) RATHA loves numbered posts
3) Most importantly – don’t feed the troll.

 

So let me get this straight...

The econemy of America is not going so well...And it is a major issue. But it should not be repeated, since it has already been talked about? NO!  If something is an important issue, then it will be repeated and repeated until something is done about it.  Clearly, nothing is happening to make this community better.

By the way, the community DOES suck.  You say that the trolll knows better than thew players who played in beta.  Well hell, mabye it does! More than half of the people who are long time players of JG are saying they want it released in 2008, no matter how many bugs there are.  You are saying that these people know just as much as the troll, who says that they should take their time?

This game's community will bring it down...
By the way, YOU are the troll here, for you clearly have no idea about how bad it really is.

Paragraph 1: Don't really see the connection, how do you compare a countries national economy with a game? 

Paragraph 2: At least get your facts straight. The 2 question poll he made was for features, not bugs. Even he didn't put that in. But I guess little things like the truth are less dramatic for your rant.

Paragraph 3: Hmm, too ignorant for me to even discuss.

Rag,

don't feed the trolls :)

Guys the reason Lobotomist (and one or two others like him) get flamed isn't because of the ideas they propose but because of how they present their ideas and themselves. They come off as though they are the greatest people in the MMO community and that if anyone disagrees with them they should die horribly.

If he had come and proposed his ideas with a little more consideration and politeness to the community then I seriously doubt this thread would exist. Even when we disagree with an idea we don't automatically start trashing the person who came out with it. We say why we don't like it and move on.

Lobo, it was a good attempt to get some last minute revenge on a community that rejected you because of your poor attitude, but it was also totally unnecessary and doesn't really help you out in anyway. The Jumpgate community is one of the finest on the internet, regardless of what you believe. Next time you want to join a new community be a little bit more respectful and you wont get ripped apart.

Originally posted by TheRag

 

Originally posted by mike470

 

Originally posted by Brooster-JG

Once upon a time there was a forum troll. The troll craved attention and begged the world to agree with all of his marvelous ideas and phenomenal insight. So the troll went to visit the JGE forums and enlighten the obviously low IQ, uneducated and horribly uncreative community on how to make every aspect of their world better.

See, the troll know better. It knows better than the players who have played the game for 8 years. Knows better than the pilots who flew beta. Knows better than the players that worked with the devs to fix problems and create new content. Knows better than the company who is actually developing the game and obviously understands business plans, project management and the ability to meet deadlines more than any other person who ever lived.

So the troll posts its ideas. But instead of being welcomed with open arms and an international holiday being declared from the sheer brilliance and wisdom of the ideas, the troll is met with opposing opinions. How can this be? Do the players over at JGE simply not understand that they are foolishly disregarding the most important ideas ever to be thought of? What the troll (in its world where it and only it is the center of the universe) doesn’t understand is that the ideas have been discussed before. They have been talked about over and over and over again. Talked about on the original JG forums, on the JGE forums and on numerous fan sites for JG.

But the troll is never wrong and it craves attention. It needs to be acknowledged as brilliant and all knowing. So the troll posts again and gets the same feedback. Desperate, the troll moves into stage 2 – playing the victim.

The troll goes to MMORPG.com and talks about the brutal community that is JG. How mean they are, how unfair they are and just how plain hurtful they are. A few people glom on to this and this helps feed its ego. But then, some players from the JG community respond here and that upsets the troll. How dare they have a thought! How dare they point out that JG is the best online community that they have ever known. So the troll discounts their comments based purely on the number of posts that they have made. How could anyone with so few posts be able to bring anything factual and insightful to the table. (Never mind the fact that the troll has an infantile number of posts on JGE compared to those who opposed his views – Pot, meet kettle).

Moral of the story? There are three.
1) Don’t disregard a game simply because of the inane ramblings of a forum troll.
2) RATHA loves numbered posts
3) Most importantly – don’t feed the troll.

 

So let me get this straight...

The econemy of America is not going so well...And it is a major issue. But it should not be repeated, since it has already been talked about? NO!  If something is an important issue, then it will be repeated and repeated until something is done about it.  Clearly, nothing is happening to make this community better.

By the way, the community DOES suck.  You say that the trolll knows better than thew players who played in beta.  Well hell, mabye it does! More than half of the people who are long time players of JG are saying they want it released in 2008, no matter how many bugs there are.  You are saying that these people know just as much as the troll, who says that they should take their time?

This game's community will bring it down...
By the way, YOU are the troll here, for you clearly have no idea about how bad it really is.

 

Paragraph 1: Don't really see the connection, how do you compare a countries national economy with a game? 

Paragraph 2: At least get your facts straight. The 2 question poll he made was for features, not bugs. Even he didn't put that in. But I guess little things like the truth are less dramatic for your rant.

Paragraph 3: Hmm, too ignorant for me to even discuss.

Paragraph 1:  I am connecting them because they are alike (in an odd way).  They are both very important, and for both, there is a problem that must be fixed.  So you said that they keep getting repeated, well they should be repeated.  This is because they are important isssues which must be taken care of, and they will keep being repeated until something happens about it.

Paragraph 2:  The conversation was wether or not it shoudl be released in 2008, or later on next year, etc.  If you call a good community someone asking about pie, then you are right.

Paragraph 3:  Too ignorant for me to even discuss.