Guess what sony haters? You are sadly mistaken. Did you know that Lucas Arts has/had their backhand in SOE's pocket on development this whole time? And did you also know that LucasArts pushed them into doing the NGE?

Try *GASP* talking to SOE developers and Smedly and all of them... they aren't *GASP* EVIL... they are average every day people who play MMO's just like US. Lets not base new games upon old development decisions by different teams that had other companies messing with the mmo's...

And no I do not work for SOE and I do not always agree with SOE either...

SWG isn't the only game that SOE has made. Did lucas arts play a hand in the pit falls of SWG? Perhaps and who knows to what degree, but it's illrevelent. The people who "hate" SOE by-in-large haven't made their decision just based upon the disaster that is SWG. SWG is  the pennacle, but far from an isolated oddity.

SOE has established a patteren of horrible and dismissive customer service, releasing games with little content, unfinished, broaken, having horrible priorities when "fixing" their games, lying to their player base (consistantlly and obviously), and ignoring their loyal base desires in order to try to obtain the mythical player base. So trying to lay SWG's downfall at Lucas's feet simply doesn't hold water because you can see the same patterens in planet side, EQ, EQII, Vanguard, ect.

Wow the smilies on these forums are great =D

Anyways slot of people prefer EQ2 as it is now over how it was at release... (A lot of the people coming back and current players that is) So they are at least doing one game right. And with Vanguard (BLEH) hopefully they don't mess it up (not sure if that is actually possible with what they were given to work with).

Originally posted by JRRTrollkin

It's unfortunate. This is a interesting sounding game and one I've wanted to see. But seeing the name Sony on it worries me.

 

 

Yeah I agree.  The game does look hot though.  

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Originally posted by Judgemanx

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Originally posted by soecabal

SOE has yet to sucessfully run anything that didn't have Everquest in it's name.

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Sad but true and EQ wasnt a creation of SOE I dont belive. When I Played the original EQ before SOE got their mits on it, the opening screen would say Verant. Now im not sure if thats one of SOEs companies or if they simply bought the game from them like they seem to do often nowadays.

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Verant ( formerly RedEye Interactive )was a sub-division of Sony Online Games. When Sony Online Games and 989 studies re-organzied and merged to make SOE they pulled in Verant. Verant and EQ1 were always part of Sony and thus SOE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Online_Entertainment#History

Originally posted by Anti-Fanboi

 

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Originally posted by Judgemanx

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Originally posted by soecabal

 

SOE has yet to sucessfully run anything that didn't have Everquest in it's name.

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Sad but true and EQ wasnt a creation of SOE I dont belive. When I Played the original EQ before SOE got their mits on it, the opening screen would say Verant. Now im not sure if thats one of SOEs companies or if they simply bought the game from them like they seem to do often nowadays.

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Verant ( formerly RedEye Interactive )was a sub-division of Sony Online Games. When Sony Online Games and 989 studies re-organzied and merged to make SOE they pulled in Verant. Verant and EQ1 were always part of Sony and thus SOE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Online_Entertainment#History

 

 

That's quibbling. Verant wasn't under the direct control/management of SONY.  Varant was basically an  independent R&D devison funded by sony but self managed.

I do wish Mmorpg.com would do something about all the the SOE hate on these forums ,its getting beyond a joke and is totally unwarranted. SOE have done alot for the  industry and sadly people have short memories as they have been involved in one of the most succesful Mmo's series to date namely EQ and EQ 2,

And dont start whining again about SWG its become tedious beyond belief listening to all the unwarranted hatred towards Sony.

Sony are a huge part of the Mmorpg Industry and are going to be hopefully for along time.

For god's sake they made one mistake with SWG,and they dont deserve the Hatred ...give em a break and let em get on with what they do best which is make great games .

Originally posted by bverji

Originally posted by Ryun511

 SOE gave Sigil 6 more months to try and complete the game, not take 6 six away. Microsoft wanted to release the game (on schedule) by summer of '06, and because they could not meet their deadline MS dropped them/Brad McQ went to go find another publisher. SOE bought Sigil and Vanguard maybe 4-6 months after release. Get your facts straight please. Vanguard was Sigil's fault

 

SOE bought  Vanguard 4-6 monthes before release realising it wasn't going to be ready for realease and pushed it into release anyway. How is this not SOE's fault?

Vanguard Release: Jan 30 2007

SOE's Purchase : May 15 2007

So um, please research before you make a post like this.. considering it was said previously that your statement was untrue

If SOE was on my country, they would have so much problems (we actually have laws which protects the consumer). In here, a company cant pull something like NGE and get through, there was a lot of comercial promises on the very SOE site for the future of SWG (for example the smuggler revamp),  and then they just wipe it all, change the core of the game, without announcing. They just lied to all their consumers and thats ok... In here this is considered highly illegal. No company can treat their consumers are idiots like this and get well from the law. Advertising something that you know its a lie is illegal on my country.

Ok, not all countries have a good law system, but what scares me most is that a few consumers still think thats its ok to do that.

They are so selfish for thinking only in their belly button, that they still support companies like this one. I have even heard ´its business´. Its not, its scheme, anything that deceive people is a scheme... Countries have laws against it, civilized people despise those companies.

Originally posted by summitus

I do wish Mmorpg.com would do something about all the the SOE hate on these forums ,its getting beyond a joke and is totally unwarranted. SOE have done alot for the  industry and sadly people have short memories as they have been involved in one of the most succesful Mmo's series to date namely EQ and EQ 2,

And dont start whining again about SWG its become tedious beyond belief listening to all the unwarranted hatred towards Sony.

Sony are a huge part of the Mmorpg Industry and are going to be hopefully for along time.

For god's sake they made one mistake with SWG,and they dont deserve the Hatred ...give em a break and let em get on with what they do best which is make great games .

Want people to bring up the screenshots of how "Finished" everquest was during expansions.

40% of Everquests expansion was finished when it was released. 60% was made with $ from subscriptions after release date.

It's easy to forget.

They killed, EQ, they killed SWG, they killed MxO, they killed Gods and Heroes, they killed PS, and I'm sure they'll kill the agency too.

Originally posted by candygirl6

 

Originally posted by summitus

I do wish Mmorpg.com would do something about all the the SOE hate on these forums ,its getting beyond a joke and is totally unwarranted. SOE have done alot for the  industry and sadly people have short memories as they have been involved in one of the most succesful Mmo's series to date namely EQ and EQ 2,

And dont start whining again about SWG its become tedious beyond belief listening to all the unwarranted hatred towards Sony.

Sony are a huge part of the Mmorpg Industry and are going to be hopefully for along time.

For god's sake they made one mistake with SWG,and they dont deserve the Hatred ...give em a break and let em get on with what they do best which is make great games .

You think it's undeserved.

 

Want people to bring up the screenshots of how "Finished" everquest was during expansions.

40% of Everquests expansion was finished when it was released. 60% was made with $ from subscriptions after release date.

It's easy to forget.

They killed, EQ, they killed SWG, they killed MxO, they killed Gods and Heroes, they killed PS, and I'm sure they'll kill the agency too.

Now for some but whoopin'.  You sir, pretending to be a female, are extremely short sided and need to take a deep breath and exit this forum immediately because you are unwanted here.  I'm not going to be a loser and tell you to go outside, but I will tell you to get off the The Agency forum if you are not going to open your views outside of what you chose to hear.  It won't get you far in life and I hope you realize that.

Originally posted by therain93

 

                                                  Caution: True Statements Below

 

Get your history straight.  Sigil wasted millions of Microsoft's dollars and MS dropped them.  Sigil hooked up with SOE and then ran out of money, forcing them to launch.  SOE then came in and bought them  up in order to clean house and straighten out the game.  By this time, either SOE is learning from its mistakes or not.  Given the corrective measures its put in place to fix the NGE, they're paying far more attention to them than ever before (much to the disappointment of the refugees but what's done is done-- move on.)

Your commentary is only sage advice if people :

1. do not begin rampant speculation about what the game can do from snippets of press releases, setting unreasonable expectations.
2. take the time to hear out reviews of a game after release rather than blindly purchase it.

....the thing is, smart consumers already do that.  

If you're going to cry about swg, take it to that forum.

Yes SOE did not own Vanguard or Sigil till a couple months after launch. SOE, ironically wasn't involved in this failure, but they are trying to pick up the pieces and save this game, which has much potential.