Originally posted by daelnor

I honestly don't know what Sony is thinking.  Somehow they manage to hang in there, but they are horrible at making and managing MMO's.

 

How many times in the last 10 years have you heard this: "Oh man, I can't wait to play this new MMO coming out...oh, wait...SOE just took over publishing rights.  I wouldn't touch this game with YOUR hard drive...."

Vanguard, and I think that is the only one... and they aren't really what ruined it.

I'd just stick with companies that actually care about the player base such as CCP, Arenanet, and to a lesser extent Blizzard.

SOE has shown that they care only about dollars and will sacrifice a whole community of players if it means making a buck. They will also sacrifice gameplay that works for some crazy idea if they think it will make money. It is only a few people that make SOE fail so bad and I think SOE should totally dismantle itself and then start over under another name with none of the developers/executives involved in the notable Fails of the past. If they do that then they might have a chance of putting out a decent game. However, until they get a heart I doubt that will be possible.

Originally posted by rainwolf

Originally posted by daelnor

I honestly don't know what Sony is thinking.  Somehow they manage to hang in there, but they are horrible at making and managing MMO's.

 

How many times in the last 10 years have you heard this: "Oh man, I can't wait to play this new MMO coming out...oh, wait...SOE just took over publishing rights.  I wouldn't touch this game with YOUR hard drive...."

Vanguard, and I think that is the only one... and they aren't really what ruined it.

Don't forget Pirates of the Burning Sea and Gods & Heroes. 

True SOE didn't directly ruin those, but they didn't exactly help either.  The minute all of those games announced their partnership with SOE they had to into damage control in response to how many people complained and walked away.

You have to admit that almost everything with the SOE stamp on it has serious problems. 

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by rainwolf

Originally posted by daelnor

I honestly don't know what Sony is thinking.  Somehow they manage to hang in there, but they are horrible at making and managing MMO's.

 

How many times in the last 10 years have you heard this: "Oh man, I can't wait to play this new MMO coming out...oh, wait...SOE just took over publishing rights.  I wouldn't touch this game with YOUR hard drive...."

Vanguard, and I think that is the only one... and they aren't really what ruined it.

Don't forget Pirates of the Burning Sea and Gods & Heroes. 

True SOE didn't directly ruin those, but they didn't exactly help either.  The minute all of those games announced their partnership with SOE they had to into damage control in response to how many people complained and walked away.

You have to admit that almost everything with the SOE stamp on it has serious problems. 

 I agree with every sentiment expressed here. SOE is the Devil ! Basically what it boils down too. At least to me. Although I think Crypic has surpassed it now in my books. I didn't think it was possible.

The issue with Vanguard is yes , SOE saved it only to ignore it to death to save EQ 2. SOE stamp makes me hesitant to even consider the game. It's not that they put out terrible or worse games then anyone else . It's how they treat people and are condescending on the boards and in game design . They know better and just don't bother with what the player base states or completely ingore it. It's that unresponsiveness to issues that irks most in my opinion. That attitude of , pttffftt it's only person quitting.

As far as The Agency goes , since I pretty well boycott most if not all SOE games, not much of a loss. Although I'm slighty surprised they even make PC games given the investment in PS 3. As a corporation you would think they would concentrate on getting games on PS 3 to maximize sales and usage. I'm also surprised that they haven't move the whole MMO division over onto consoles.

As far as Everquest being the only thing they have going for them is not very true.

Maybe everquest as a whole (That being 19 expansions or whatever), but there new Time Locked Progression servers are a mess and are wrought with Platnum duplicating and them "accidently/purposely" implamenting the noob armor, which is 75% broken quest wise.

They have been lieing and dodging questions so far.

But sadly I will still buy their games because they have some good titles I am looking forward to complaining about.

Originally posted by ReallyNow10

Originally posted by Nineven

 

Can SOE fail any more?

I mean seriously, how many MMO's have they cancelled/destroyed already? They need to just stop being involved in video games and go back to making CD players LOL.

Just a rant/discussion about how SOE fails; no trolling intended; I just feel like someone should tell them to stop trying so hard.

Take a free lesson from Trion: You CAN balance 32 classes, next time don't take the easy way out and put in some effort.

The lesson from Trion is that WOW is old and the market is ripe for any AAA title to come in and get players, lots of players.

The second lesson from Trion, that I predict we will learn in the coming months, is that a lackluster linear quest grind ain't going to keep folks.

Hopefully, Sony is watching the market and will come out with an open world EQ3 (EQ Next) and keep the quests in check.

 Got to agree,whatever SoE does DO NOT take advise from trion as regards class balance,it has some of the worst class balance around.

pyro mages 1-2 shotting people and cannot be CC or stunned.clerics take can out heal 3 warriors or rogues bashing at them.

pve raids that are done with only mages and clerics as rogues and warriors are totally un needed in the raid and taken for the fun of it or commitment to fellow guildies.

Lets look at a SoE game ,EQ2 .Try taking mages and healers only and see if its possible.Not doable you got to have your bards,your dps will be rubbish on some bosses if you don't have scout classes,you need proper tank classes in there,heck you even need 1 monk for the buff .

Rift.Justicar(clerics) are better tanks then any soul in warrior.bards have been nerfed to been pointless in raids.You get better dps from mages in any present rift raids then rogues or dps warriors .chron and clerics got heals covered.

Rift lacks situational battles like EQ2 which would see a ranger shine over a wizard and assasin and then another that would see a warlock  shine over another etc.

So if we are talking balancing numerous classes i think SoE has it done better then rift atm.

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Originally posted by hercules

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Originally posted by ReallyNow10

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Originally posted by Nineven
 
Can SOE fail any more?
I mean seriously, how many MMO's have they cancelled/destroyed already? They need to just stop being involved in video games and go back to making CD players LOL.
Just a rant/discussion about how SOE fails; no trolling intended; I just feel like someone should tell them to stop trying so hard.
Take a free lesson from Trion: You CAN balance 32 classes, next time don't take the easy way out and put in some effort.

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The lesson from Trion is that WOW is old and the market is ripe for any AAA title to come in and get players, lots of players.
The second lesson from Trion, that I predict we will learn in the coming months, is that a lackluster linear quest grind ain't going to keep folks.
Hopefully, Sony is watching the market and will come out with an open world EQ3 (EQ Next) and keep the quests in check.

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 Got to agree,whatever SoE does DO NOT take advise from trion as regards class balance,it has some of the worst class balance around.
pyro mages 1-2 shotting people and cannot be CC or stunned.clerics take can out heal 3 warriors or rogues bashing at them.
pve raids that are done with only mages and clerics as rogues and warriors are totally un needed in the raid and taken for the fun of it or commitment to fellow guildies.
Lets look at a SoE game ,EQ2 .Try taking mages and healers only and see if its possible.Not doable you got to have your bards,your dps will be rubbish on some bosses if you don't have scout classes,you need proper tank classes in there,heck you even need 1 monk for the buff .
Rift.Justicar(clerics) are better tanks then any soul in warrior.bards have been nerfed to been pointless in raids.You get better dps from mages in any present rift raids then rogues or dps warriors .chron and clerics got heals covered.
Rift lacks situational battles like EQ2 which would see a ranger shine over a wizard and assasin and then another that would see a warlock  shine over another etc.
So if we are talking balancing numerous classes i think SoE has it done better then rift atm.

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Originally posted by catlana

Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by Nineven

  Sony doesn't innovate...in anything they do. That's why their games continue to be total crap.

The only thing they have going for them is Everquest.

I know SOE has issues but they have occasional sparks

 

example:  the appearance slot in EQ2 -- I believe they were the 1st mmo to do this

to show gear for how you want to look  and still wear the gear you need for adventuring

 

Turbine liked this new feature enough to add it to LOTRO later

Yup, the appearence slot was a good idea. Sony is going to focus on EQ3 it appears. I hope that they make EQ3 a good game, but we shall see. 

Let me gaze into my crystal ball 

~nope~

I mean i dont give a s*** about the agency, it was a bad idea anyways, but SOE seems to be very clueless about what to do or focus on....

I mean come on SOE! Use your brain! Get the überawesome EQ3 out. All we oldtimers would kill for it! :-)

Soe failed so many times before and on so many mmorpg´s and now also the playstation fiasco. Maybe SOE should just throw in the towl and do us all a favor.

Originally posted by hercules

So if we are talking balancing numerous classes i think SoE (eq2) has it done better then rift atm.

You are comparing a 1 month old game to an almost 7 year old game in terms of balance? 

Right now the current players of EQ2 think the best way for soe to fix the horrid class balance issues is to merge classes and remove others.  That doesn't exactly speak volumes about soes ability to balance classes. 

The 24 class system was a pood choice from the beginning and despite several attempts to fix the issues from several angles it is still a mess. 

The agency was a good idea in concept, but the odds of soe making a pure pvp game that isn't plagued with problems or ruined by their own designs is very very slim.  They struggle with PvE as it is and PvP trails far behind that in their games.

Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by Nineven

  Sony doesn't innovate...in anything they do. That's why their games continue to be total crap.

The only thing they have going for them is Everquest.

I know SOE has issues but they have occasional sparks

 

example:  the appearance slot in EQ2 -- I believe they were the 1st mmo to do this

to show gear for how you want to look  and still wear the gear you need for adventuring

 

Turbine liked this new feature enough to add it to LOTRO later

I know that AO has this feature, so they had it before EQ2 I don't know if anyone else had it before then.

While discussing the merits of a company is fine, simple bashing threads that serve no other purpose aren't. Locking.