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Originally posted by Raltar
I understand that completely but like most sane people I don't care about formats I don't use or will likely ever use. What YOU don't seem to understand is that an invisible "war" between two formats that are barely used by anyone and which most people do not own or use is NOT relevant here. It doesn't make Sony a good company and it doesn't erase any of the things they have done to disrespect their customers. That fact that you admit yourself that they are a corrupt company makes me wonder WHY in the WORLD you would continue to debate a point which you know is irrelevant. Its almost like you are going out of your way to agree with me in the most back-handed way you can think of.
@Interitus: Gullerimo is a troll. Now you see the difference.
@ Guillermo197: OMG EPIC FAIL IN YOUR POST!!!111 Seriously, if comments like that are the best you got then you need to GB2 /b/. The really funny part is that once I sort the obvious MxO fanboyism out of your post, you pretty much end up admitting to me that Sony scooped up the game knowing it was crap and without any intention to ever make anything decent out of it. So thanks for agreeing with me! Let me get this straight... anyone who uses Blu-Ray or HD-DVD is insane? They are also irrelevant? Just because you don't care about them doesn't mean no one else does. No one is forcing you to use them. However there are a lot of other people that do care. If there weren't then companies like Sony would not bother inventing/building new tech and stores like Walmart and Target would not be selling the formats. Companies generally do not deal in items that do not make them money. You seem to think that DVD is the best format that can ever be. Well, guess what? Live theater used to be the only way to see a play. Then came film. Then came Phonovision (1928). Then came magnetic recording (VHS for one). Then CED. Then laser disc. Then DVD. Then hi-def DVD (Blu-Ray and HD-DVD). Who knows what's next. My point is all formats will eventualy die and be taken over by something better. And it is the insane, irrelevant people that drive that change. People like you just get in the way. The only reason that I have been commenting on this subject is because you have kept making incorrect statements about there not having been a format war between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, that no one uses the formats, and anyone who does is insane and irrelevant. OK, that the last of my comments on that subject. |
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SOE is a small part of a huge umbrella corporation but large enough to make their own decisions. I think the higher ups of SONY the goliath...probably have assistants sign off on half their shit anyway. ..if they don't blindly do it themselves. So ..just saying SONY itself sucks is a huge generalization. That really is neither here not there...the main reasons most people hate them..from what I remember is the seeming mishandling of games...in particular cash shops and TCGs. (which personally never affected my enjoyment of the games because the items are not necessary. Other than keeping up with the Skywalkers ).Then there is the bile bitterly belched in regards to Vanguard and the ever present SWG. Again..Sony..took over Vanguard when sigil was failing miserably..other than ..maybe the need for more advertising...they are trying to save an already suffering game from a very crappy launch. SWG...well...all I can say is LucasArts and the man himself have such a choking grip on their franchise that nothing is done to anything remotely "StarWars" in nature without their go ahead....and likely their insistence instigates any change from the start. So I can not blame SOE for something if SW trademark/copyright mongers gave them the O.k. SOE is also not going to blame it all on LucasArts because they still have a working relationship...albeit a strained one I'd imagine (thinking SW:TOR here). So I just don't see SOE as the Adversary .. Then again...I'm just a cawing crow.
EDIT: I know this was also concerning the AGENCY and then the format war..(I thought HDDVD..at least in the states..went down in the first round...not much of a war)...but when people come on condemning SONY in it's entirety based on some MMOS (for the most part)....vilifying them to the point that SOE is guaranteed a write up as one of Satan's minions in all future revisions of THE BIBLE....well...it gets ridiculous. hic!...CAW! |
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Originally posted by BarCrow It would be nice to know what is really going on between LA and SOE and LA and BioWare. I have no doubt that LA tied SOE's hands to a certain degree about what they could do with SWG. But SOE was the 'expert' in MMOs so LA had to have put some trust in them. We will most likely not kow the entire truth. I also don't think that George Lucas gave a damn about SWG. Compared to the amount of money that he made off of the movies and merchandise, SWG was a side note to him. But that is just a guess on my part.
Edit: The hi-def wars went on for 1-2 years in the USA I think. It was stupid to begin with. Sony and Toshiba should have just made a unified format. Hi-def would have been much more excepted if they had. Sony has made other blunders that have not helped their reputation. So as a whole I think that Sony has the rep that they deserve. |
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Originally posted by EbenEmael
Fair enough...I think they suffered enough for all of eternity...just on BETAMAX alone...lol. Those were sweet though. Yes...**sniff**...I had one. Sad. As for Lucas...this is the guy who went back and digitally altered...enhanced is fine....but altered scenes..to be more family friendly. Come on...there are generations that will possibly never know that HAN FUCKING SHOT FIRST!!!!!...sure he's a rascal and a scalawag....but he is a fair and even one?...bullshite. And his statements..later in his career that StarWars was always meant for children....only with severed limbs....breeching on sibling incest.and a secret father ..almost priest like figure that is trying to get his son to do dark things with him. Not nice....He found out how much of a gold mine all the merchadise was worth and sold out..imo..that's why Wookies became ewoks and we have a wee Vader running around Phantom Menacing people. The 2nd and 3rd episodes were a little darker...but the quality wasn't there story wise imo. Although , I hear the Clone wars series is better than that sickening movie....he just went all kiddie. I think he probably liked the idea of SWG until it wasn't reaching the children...then revamp WOWification....now what do you have. ....Caw!CAW! hic!...CAW! |
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Originally posted by BarCrow
Fair enough...I think they suffered enough for all of eternity...just on BETAMAX alone...lol. Those were sweet though. Yes...**sniff**...I had one. Sad. As for Lucas...this is the guy who went back and digitally altered...enhanced is fine....but altered scenes..to be more family friendly. Come on...there are generations that will possibly never know that HAN FUCKING SHOT FIRST!!!!!...sure he's a rascal and a scalawag....but he is a fair and even one?...bullshite. And his statements..later in his career that StarWars was always meant for children....only with severed limbs....breeching on sibling incest.and a secret father ..almost priest like figure that is trying to get his son to do dark things with him. Not nice....He found out how much of a gold mine all the merchadise was worth and sold out..imo..that's why Wookies became ewoks and we have a wee Vader running around Phantom Menacing people. The 2nd and 3rd episodes were a little darker...but the quality wasn't there story wise imo. Although , I hear the Clone wars series is better than that sickening movie....he just went all kiddie. I think he probably liked the idea of SWG until it wasn't reaching the children...then revamp WOWification....now what do you have. ....Caw!CAW! I think that I remember an interview with George Lucas where he said that at the time that he made Star Wars: A New Hope that special effects technology was not far enough advanced to make the scenes that he want to. So when the tech became available he re-shot/edited/inserted some of the scenes. It made sense to me. I like the 1st 3 movies that were filmed. I have only seen 1 of the next 3 though (I have all 6 on DVD but have not gotten around to watching them all). I must say that story quality took a big hit on the later movie. As far as SWG going the way of WoW, I think that was mostly SOEs idea. I'm not sure how attuned LA was to the MMO scene at the time. SOE would have been more likely to know of WoWs success and pushed for the changes that were made (CU/NGE). WoW has turned out to be a blessing and a curse. WoW exposed more people to MMOs, but now most every MMO developer is trying to copy them, most with poor results. |
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Raltar
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Originally posted by EbenEmael You are trying to put words in my mouth. I don't recall ever using the word "insane" to describe anyone in this thread. I also did not say people who own Blu-Ray are irrelevant (although they are based on the fact there are so few of them), What I actually said is... BLU-RAY IS IRRELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION! ... because even if Blu-Ray did win some "war" it wouldn't make Sony a better company nor would it erase the huge number of ways they have abused, lied to and stolen from their own customers. Why are you having such a hard time grasping that? And why, when you yourself admit that Sony is "corrupt" and "has the rep that they deserve", do you continue to argue with me? It makes no sense. We are both in agreement on the matter which is actually up for discussion here but you seem determined to continue your off-topic rant about Blu-Ray no matter what I say. Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your conviction is to be an unqualified and inexcusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country, let men label you as they may. ~Mark Twain |
Originally posted by EbenEmael I think that I remember an interview with George Lucas where he said that at the time that he made Star Wars: A New Hope that special effects technology was not far enough advanced to make the scenes that he want to. So when the tech became available he re-shot/edited/inserted some of the scenes. It made sense to me. I like the 1st 3 movies that were filmed. I have only seen 1 of the next 3 though (I have all 6 on DVD but have not gotten around to watching them all). I must say that story quality took a big hit on the later movie. As far as SWG going the way of WoW, I think that was mostly SOEs idea. I'm not sure how attuned LA was to the MMO scene at the time. SOE would have been more likely to know of WoWs success and pushed for the changes that were made (CU/NGE). WoW has turned out to be a blessing and a curse. WoW exposed more people to MMOs, but now most every MMO developer is trying to copy them, most with poor results. ...True..I heard that too...And It's fine to enhance things and add scenes that connect the films together..after It was uncertain how successful "A New Hope" would end up. Adding scenes to further the story is great....but changing the entire context of how a main character is perceived is ridiculous. It's much more interesting to see how a character changes and evolves than to just re-edit the movie to imply he (Han) was always a soft hearted rogue. Not to mentioned adding the younger vader to the Ghost family portrait at the ewok party. Was that really necessary?...oh well...apparently ..he seems to have made the movies only for himself...lol...sorry enough ranting hic!...CAW! |
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