It's being done by SOE... duh!!  So we all know how this will go:

1. Awesome concept... bugs but promising launch.

2. 1st 6 months bugs haunt the game to the point of frustration and near subscription cancelation.  Basic content that is common sense and should have been included in the 1st few months of development don't even make it to launch.

3. 2nd 6 months highly playable, still bugged, but fun.

4. SOE black tie bean counter idiots that know nothing about gaming push developers aside, tell them what would be better for the game based on demographic studies and profit margin analysis and begin to systematicly destroy said game.

It's Sony, expect no less.

History will prove itself over and over with them; they have set a standard for their products, have remained consistant with those standards, and will not waiver from their tried and true business trend practices.

Originally posted by RATFather

It's being done by SOE... duh!!  So we all know how this will go:

1. Awesome concept... bugs but promising launch.

2. 1st 6 months bugs haunt the game to the point of frustration and near subscription cancelation.  Basic content that is common sense and should have been included in the 1st few months of development don't even make it to launch.

3. 2nd 6 months highly playable, still bugged, but fun.

4. SOE black tie bean counter idiots that know nothing about gaming push developers aside, tell them what would be better for the game based on demographic studies and profit margin analysis and begin to systematicly destroy said game.

It's Sony, expect no less.

History will prove itself over and over with them; they have set a standard for their products, have remained consistant with those standards, and will not waiver from their tried and true business trend practices.

9 posts and this is all you have to contribute?  Take this spew and go away.

Yes it's from SOE, but I'm not about to let issues that happened from different developers keep me from getting into this. SWG at launch was bug filled and those issues in game development will always haunt SWG now. A lot has happened in 4 years that I feel these guys are on the ball and know what they are doing.

SOE has yet to sucessfully run anything that didn't have Everquest in it's name.

 

Originally posted by soecabal

SOE has yet to sucessfully run anything that didn't have Everquest in it's name.

 

Sad but true and EQ wasnt a creation of SOE I dont belive. When I Played the original EQ before SOE got their mits on it, the opening screen would say Verant. Now im not sure if thats one of SOEs companies or if they simply bought the game from them like they seem to do often nowadays.

Originally posted by therain93

Originally posted by RATFather

It's being done by SOE... duh!!  So we all know how this will go:

1. Awesome concept... bugs but promising launch.

2. 1st 6 months bugs haunt the game to the point of frustration and near subscription cancelation.  Basic content that is common sense and should have been included in the 1st few months of development don't even make it to launch.

3. 2nd 6 months highly playable, still bugged, but fun.

4. SOE black tie bean counter idiots that know nothing about gaming push developers aside, tell them what would be better for the game based on demographic studies and profit margin analysis and begin to systematicly destroy said game.

It's Sony, expect no less.

History will prove itself over and over with them; they have set a standard for their products, have remained consistant with those standards, and will not waiver from their tried and true business trend practices.

9 posts and this is all you have to contribute?  Take this spew and go away.

 

 

Are you serious? Everything he said was true. SOE has screwed up every game they have ever had. They refuse to listen to the customers that plead with them to stop butchering their games, but they don't listen. If they do decide to listen, it is always to little to late. Read up on your history before you start bad mouthing people.

Originally posted by j1flaw

Yes it's from SOE, but I'm not about to let issues that happened from different developers keep me from getting into this. SWG at launch was bug filled and those issues in game development will always haunt SWG now. A lot has happened in 4 years that I feel these guys are on the ball and know what they are doing.

Haha, on the ball? You're right, a lot has happened in 4 years. To begin with, they butchered SWG. Did everyone forget the NGE while reading up on this game? Also, should I remind you of their other great debacle, Vanguard. Granted they did not create the game, but rather bought out Sigil, then rushed the game to release in typical SOE fashion making the bugs/lag unbearable. Which resulted in yet another SOE flop at launch.

Originally posted by Charisi

Originally posted by therain93

Originally posted by RATFather

It's being done by SOE... duh!!  So we all know how this will go:

1. Awesome concept... bugs but promising launch.

2. 1st 6 months bugs haunt the game to the point of frustration and near subscription cancelation.  Basic content that is common sense and should have been included in the 1st few months of development don't even make it to launch.

3. 2nd 6 months highly playable, still bugged, but fun.

4. SOE black tie bean counter idiots that know nothing about gaming push developers aside, tell them what would be better for the game based on demographic studies and profit margin analysis and begin to systematicly destroy said game.

It's Sony, expect no less.

History will prove itself over and over with them; they have set a standard for their products, have remained consistant with those standards, and will not waiver from their tried and true business trend practices.

9 posts and this is all you have to contribute?  Take this spew and go away.

 

 

Are you serious? Everything he said was true. SOE has screwed up every game they have ever had. They refuse to listen to the customers that plead with them to stop butchering their games, but they don't listen. If they do decide to listen, it is always to little to late. Read up on your history before you start bad mouthing people.

I'm quite familiar with the history -- I think it's unnecessary to drag it out yet again, especially from a player who at the time had 9 posts to his credit.  It reeks of trolling.

Originally posted by Charisi

Originally posted by j1flaw

Yes it's from SOE, but I'm not about to let issues that happened from different developers keep me from getting into this. SWG at launch was bug filled and those issues in game development will always haunt SWG now. A lot has happened in 4 years that I feel these guys are on the ball and know what they are doing.

Haha, on the ball? You're right, a lot has happened in 4 years. To begin with, they butchered SWG. Did everyone forget the NGE while reading up on this game? Also, should I remind you of their other great debacle, Vanguard. Granted they did not create the game, but rather bought out Sigil, then rushed the game to release in typical SOE fashion making the bugs/lag unbearable. Which resulted in yet another SOE flop at launch.

Get your history straight.  Sigil wasted millions of Microsoft's dollars and MS dropped them.  Sigil hooked up with SOE and then ran out of money, forcing them to launch.  SOE then came in and bought them  up in order to clean house and straighten out the game.  By this time, either SOE is learning from its mistakes or not.  Given the corrective measures its put in place to fix the NGE, they're paying far more attention to them than ever before (much to the disappointment of the refugees but what's done is done-- move on.)

Your commentary is only sage advice if people :

1. do not begin rampant speculation about what the game can do from snippets of press releases, setting unreasonable expectations.
2. take the time to hear out reviews of a game after release rather than blindly purchase it.

....the thing is, smart consumers already do that.  

If you're going to cry about swg, take it to that forum.

 

Originally posted by Charisi

Originally posted by j1flaw

Yes it's from SOE, but I'm not about to let issues that happened from different developers keep me from getting into this. SWG at launch was bug filled and those issues in game development will always haunt SWG now. A lot has happened in 4 years that I feel these guys are on the ball and know what they are doing.

Haha, on the ball? You're right, a lot has happened in 4 years. To begin with, they butchered SWG. Did everyone forget the NGE while reading up on this game? Also, should I remind you of their other great debacle, Vanguard. Granted they did not create the game, but rather bought out Sigil, then rushed the game to release in typical SOE fashion making the bugs/lag unbearable. Which resulted in yet another SOE flop at launch.

 

SOE gave Sigil 6 more months to try and complete the game, not take 6 six away. Microsoft wanted to release the game (on schedule) by summer of '06, and because they could not meet their deadline MS dropped them/Brad McQ went to go find another publisher. SOE bought Sigil and Vanguard maybe 4-6 months after release. Get your facts straight please. Vanguard was Sigil's fault.

Also, SWG happened how many years ago? And didn't lucas arts have a large say in the decision as well? I think it's time to move on an accept the possibility that SOE might do different this time around. Who knows, you could be missing out on your next favorite MMO.

 

I am very curious why people keep saying SOE has learned their lesson.  What exactly have they done in the last several years to show they have changed? 

 

They haven't had any finished releases.  They bought vanguard for the programming talent and to puff up the station pass line.  They formed alliances to produce games through other companies seeing as their products can't compete anymore.  SWG hasn't have an expansion in years nor the matrix ever. EQ2 might be the one exception to their lack of anything substantial and that at best is they fixed the game over the course of several years to be an ok game. 

 

From what screens I have seen about the agency I expect a very city of heroes like gameplay.  Great concept with little follow through.  There will be massive amounts of "covert" operatives standing around every single street corner waiting to be engaged in heavy assault gunfire.  Gameplay will be about as covert as the fat kid was in charlie and the chocolate factory.  Maybe they get it right and it is awesome, but based on actual history from this company I wouldn't want to be around for at least the first year if not more.  Odds are they will massively revamp all the classes, tradeskills and questlines in typical SOE sweeping style again.

 

Good luck to those who try it, you are going to need it.

 

 

Debating whether or not SOE has learned their lesson from past mistakes is pointless.  From my observation, the people interested in this game are such because they want to try something new and different in an mmo(I know I do).

I'll let people like, therain93, go out, and spend hard earned money to tell me this game stinks. If hell has frozen over, then I will buy the game after there is a majority consenus that its a good game.

Yes SOE has dropped the ball more than once but that doesn't mean that they'll never make another good game again. Can't judge a game before it comes out even if Sony did make it.

Originally posted by brostyn

I'll let people like, therain93, go out, and spend hard earned money to tell me this game stinks. If hell has frozen over, then I will buy the game after there is a majority consenus that its a good game.

*boggle*  How did I get lumped in with the SOE fanboi's?  My position has always been rather than bash SOE to wait and see what each product looks like.  I've always advocated consumer responsibility, i.e., unhappy with SWG, don't subscribe to it.  BUT, I'm not running around here shouting buy sony, buy sony.  Had you actually read any of my posts (as it is clearly written as recently as post #9), perhaps you would understand this.  BUT, you didn't or else you're just trolling. 

Take your issues and move along.

I'm sorry, I'm kind of cracking up here.  Big time.

First off, everyone please take a step back and take a breath.  bashing each other isn't necessary and we ALL have the right to express our opinions.

Secondly... (and I'm really trying to hold my sides together on this - its just so hysterical...) I've seen mention of "trolling" twice and have been told that since my post count is too low that my post doesn't matter.

 

Ummmmm.... yeah...  Let's analyze that, ya know, just for fun...

My post count is LOW and I take a while to respond because I'm either at work or IN GAME.  Which means I don't sit behind my computer all day salivating at the forum boards posting replies so I can be "Elite"... which would take me OUT of game.  Gee, troll forum boards / actually play the game.... decisions, decisions.... gosh that's a tough one...

Trolling argument jumped off it's own cliff, too funny.

Lastly, I've said this in another thread and I think it bears mention here too... I honestly, honestly hope Sony makes me eat me own words and those that are willing to give it a try find a vastly rewarding experience.

I myself am quite simply unwilling to invest in a company who has throughout it's business history ultimately failed its customers.

Grading by "Product"?  Naw.... I'll judge by "Company", which is what most consumers do with any product.  Buy enough broken products in a row in any other business, then that company would be out of business.  Fortunately for the game companies (any) / unfortunately for us... we are gamer crack heads in the end and continually let ourselves get sucked into the next "big promise".  Let's face it, we ALL do it.

Imagine... go to a car dealer to buy a car... find out all the cars are missing mufflers and the left back seat...

Car Dealer "Don't worry sir, we are working on that and will visit your house to install it in the coming months.  Until then try to enjoy what you have.  No... No we don't believe we released this model too early sir."

Who's gonna buy it?  No-one.  Call it a MMORPG... we are on it like fat kids on ice cream.

Speaking of which... where's my spoon?

Originally posted by therain93

Originally posted by Charisi

Originally posted by therain93

Originally posted by RATFather

It's being done by SOE... duh!!  So we all know how this will go:

1. Awesome concept... bugs but promising launch.

2. 1st 6 months bugs haunt the game to the point of frustration and near subscription cancelation.  Basic content that is common sense and should have been included in the 1st few months of development don't even make it to launch.

3. 2nd 6 months highly playable, still bugged, but fun.

4. SOE black tie bean counter idiots that know nothing about gaming push developers aside, tell them what would be better for the game based on demographic studies and profit margin analysis and begin to systematicly destroy said game.

It's Sony, expect no less.

History will prove itself over and over with them; they have set a standard for their products, have remained consistant with those standards, and will not waiver from their tried and true business trend practices.

9 posts and this is all you have to contribute?  Take this spew and go away.

 

 

Are you serious? Everything he said was true. SOE has screwed up every game they have ever had. They refuse to listen to the customers that plead with them to stop butchering their games, but they don't listen. If they do decide to listen, it is always to little to late. Read up on your history before you start bad mouthing people.

I'm quite familiar with the history -- I think it's unnecessary to drag it out yet again, especially from a player who at the time had 9 posts to his credit.  It reeks of trolling.

What does it matter, how many posts has someone made? Is that how you judge people? If someone doesn't speak much here, then that must mean that they are inexperienced as players? That they aren't intelligent enough to speak near your highness?

Originally posted by Charisi

Originally posted by j1flaw

Yes it's from SOE, but I'm not about to let issues that happened from different developers keep me from getting into this. SWG at launch was bug filled and those issues in game development will always haunt SWG now. A lot has happened in 4 years that I feel these guys are on the ball and know what they are doing.

Haha, on the ball? You're right, a lot has happened in 4 years. To begin with, they butchered SWG. Did everyone forget the NGE while reading up on this game? Also, should I remind you of their other great debacle, Vanguard. Granted they did not create the game, but rather bought out Sigil, then rushed the game to release in typical SOE fashion making the bugs/lag unbearable. Which resulted in yet another SOE flop at launch.

How could we forget SWG, we all have to put up with posts like this telling the same story over and over again about how SOE took away your rattle.

Get your facts correct before you start posting rubbish please, we are all getting VERY sick of the SOE haters making up facts just to get their point across.  I can't even be bothered to point out your lie/made up fact.

Originally posted by Daffid011

I am very curious why people keep saying SOE has learned their lesson.  What exactly have they done in the last several years to show they have changed?

I've never seen a game team listen to their player base more than the EQ2 team.

Originally posted by Charisi

Originally posted by j1flaw

Yes it's from SOE, but I'm not about to let issues that happened from different developers keep me from getting into this. SWG at launch was bug filled and those issues in game development will always haunt SWG now. A lot has happened in 4 years that I feel these guys are on the ball and know what they are doing.

Haha, on the ball? You're right, a lot has happened in 4 years. To begin with, they butchered SWG. Did everyone forget the NGE while reading up on this game? Also, should I remind you of their other great debacle, Vanguard. Granted they did not create the game, but rather bought out Sigil, then rushed the game to release in typical SOE fashion making the bugs/lag unbearable. Which resulted in yet another SOE flop at launch.

ummm i think you have things a lil outta order there.... Sigil was the ones that released early SOE didn't buy them till months later..