So, neocron 2 international release came and went, the features that were promised to come with it - didnt appear

Nidhogg's blathering about the two NC2 reviews being crap because they werent based on "international release" was shown to be exactly that it appeared to be - a deluded KK fanbot, making up nonsense.

More players have left since NC2 release, than have joined, and international(european) release doesnt seem to have helped. It's gotten so bad, that Nidhogg has to lock legitimate threads because they show NC2's terrible state for new players, as well as banning the threadstarter(me) for "trolling".

3 friends and myself, bored of WoW, were giving the 10day trial a go, they all suffered from the same bugs as from NC1, right from the outset and all stopped within an hour or two.

Grats KK, you took a great game and completely ruined it, and even most(sane) KK staff wholeheartedly agree.

Little to no new content since release, few bugfixes, hacknet still useless, and the only excuse "we are working on asian release" followed by "we are working on international release".

Tell me, is there anyone who doesnt believe that NC would be in a better state if BDOY was just the free expansion pack promised?

Not only would the game not have lost half its playerbase to C2P and requiring money to "upgrade", many old players would have come back to try the free expansion pack.

We also would have had much much more content and bugfixes, instead of so much time going into shitty PR stunts that achieve nothing, other than disillusioning even more players.

http://neocron.jafc.de/showthread.php?t=125282 < link to thread(Nidhogg decided that despite the fact I never played NC2(except for 2 mins during beta with a capped char), nor had I ever had an active NC2 account, my experience starting off from scratch with a trial account didnt make me a newbie, so he changed the thread topic)

Nidhogg's mail:

I think we can really do without you deciding to return to the forums to stir up trouble on the weekend of our release. Your thread was designed to attract newbies checking the place out and is trolling at its purest because it's based on false statements. Your account has been finally and permanently banned.

N

^^Of course I challenged him to show what was false, incorrect or not factual about my statements, but I dont think he'll ever reply.

I thought the international release hadn't happened yet. You can't get a boxed copy of the game anywhere.

I thought they were delaying it??

It "launched" last week in the EU(only confirmed in the UK so far), most shops dont have it, and those that do generally only have 1 copy on the shelves.

Aww, and nidhogg moved the thread :(

Spends his whole day checking sites like this.

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Originally posted by Dirk_Gently
I thought the international release hadn't happened yet. You can't get a boxed copy of the game anywhere.

I thought they were delaying it??

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Ya, the EU-version was released, and I've heard its hard to track down.. A lot of suppliers are leary about holding due to the *NOT* so great sales of NC1.

Unfortunately, NC2 will be in the bargin bin way before the *PROMISED* features will be released.

As for the author of this thread, I honestly feel your pain and know your complaint, along of MANY others. KK for the longest time rode it as a FREE expansion, and pushed it off and pushed it off.. And to end up with a bug-ridden NC2:Bugs of York.

As for Nid locking threads.. not much that can be done. It is KK's forums, and they can police it and ammend the rules as they feel fit, which they do. They did they same stuff, when they announced NC2 was coming, and there was no expansion pack at all. But, that was almost an entire revolt of the community against KK which made KK look just as badin the end.

Need not worry.. KK and NC2 has made complete fools out of themselves to the gaming community, and the magazines are an accurate review to what BOY (bugs of york) has to offer and not offer.

KK = Die Die Die
Neocron = Rest In Peace (or pieces, depending on how you look at it.)

Yes, I received your email:

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Has becoming officially KK turned you into some kind of super retarded kk fanbot?

You are free to point out anything in my thread that was incorrect, not factual, or logical - but you wont, because you're an idiot.

Oh well, time to post around about how poor NC2 is, that the admin has to ban legitimate threads, purely because they dont tie in with his deluded "NEOCRON 2 IS PERFECT" mindset.

Ta ta loser.
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I thought my reply was quite restrained considering the tone of your request, and I also note that you didn't bother to post it.  Your ban came after not one, not two, but eighty-two separate breaches of the forum rules (not including the thread in question here).

Also, it's perfectly clear from your email that it was solely your intention to rubbish the game for a bit of "fun" (even though you yourself played it for almost a year) making the ban perfectly justified.

Here you are doing it again.  I take it as a compliment that you feel so strongly about us after all this time.

For everyone else, I've said it before on this forum and I'll say it again, download the trial and see what the game's like for yourself before putting any store in threads like these.  Don't take my word for it and don't take Celt's (or anyone else's) - make up your own mind.

N

I think to be honest Nid virtually everybody who looks at this Neocron forum has played the game before so I doubt it'd make any impact.

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Originally posted by Dirk_Gently
I think to be honest Nid virtually everybody who looks at this Neocron forum has played the game before so I doubt it'd make any impact.

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Your right, most of the people who do come here has played NC at one point of time or another.

People enquiring about the game will look to reviews, before asking in open forum about a game. The reviews on this site, along with many others, along with magazines will paint the picture for any users curious to know about it (or any game).

No matter how much they say that magazine reviews were unfair to the game, the truth of the matter is that they've been reviewing games a lot longer than Neocron has been around, and they know what to look for (the) average gamer in general.

Naturally every reviewer is going to approach a game in a different way but you would expect that given the same review criteria the various scores will largely be within a particular grouping (obviously accounting for outliers). What concerns me particularly about the PC Zone review is the incredible difference between the scores for Neocron 1 and 2.

Neocron 2 is merely an expansion pack to Neocron 1, however it is not necessary to own Neocron 1 in order to play the expansion which is why it was titled "Neocron 2" - whilst it's still an expansion it has no pre-requisites.

PC Zone awarded Neocron 1 a score of 85% which we were naturally pleased with. PC GAMER awarded us 81% and we received a number of other reviews in the mid 80's range. The problem I have is understanding how an 85% rated game becomes a 24% percent rated game simply because new content and a new graphics engine has been added. It's clear from the review that the author took serious issue to our community and it's a fair statement that our game is aimed at hard core gamers, but a 10 day slice of the community does not the game make.

This is why you should make your minds up for yourselves. Games reviews are subjective at best but the industry still has no real way to fairly and effectively measure an MMORPG, especially one as unique as Neocron.

N

Nid I have to say that in my opinion NC2 is an inferior game to NC1, however I would say that 24% is exceptionally harsh, even in Beta I'd have given it 60-ish. It will partially be down to the new graphics which I felt lost alot of the 'feel' of the original (remember that alot of NC1's appeal was that it was "Deus Ex Online"), and lets face it a sizeable chunk of the community can be a total bunch of assholes at times the game has always needed a far better Law system that Soul-Light because the almost complete absence of law totally trashed the cyberpunk concept and made the game a griefer's paradise. As for the game being aimed at 'hardcore gamers' I'd have to say no, the hardcore gamers play things like Everquest for, random pking doesn't make a game hardcore - it makes it an acquired taste and a taste that very, very few people have.

Neocron will never be good, it will only be a bunch of fanboy mods saying that "______ is going to fix everything!"

_______ being whatever load of bullshit they can come up with....such as the next patch, DoY, BDoY, NC2, nc2 international release, etc. they've used up quite a few, its astonishing that people still believe the next big kk hoax will actually change anything. So now that the NC2 international launch is complete and everything is the same, what will be the next thing KK will use as the "coming saviour of neocron"? We will have to wait and see..

"Nidhogg - Master of the fallacies!"

So many holes in your argument nid, for one:

The fact i was offline until now, instead you presume I was online but chose not to respond.

Or: Because you later decided an e-mail I sent after I was banned, indicated I was determined to troll, makes the banning before the e-mail justified(btw, nothing in my e-mail said I was trolling on the forums or the thread, just that I would now (happily) post the truth about NC2 on several forums and trash it(deservedly)).

"I didn't need to go beyond the first line - " So, since international
release happened, and Nidhogg was so adamant this would fix everything, and
add all the new content promised..."  You find the post where I said that
and I'll lift your ban."

You didnt say it in one post, it's an amalgamation of posts over the last several months, including posts in the review threads, posts about patch 131, about item tracking & the new newbie experience.

Your whole argument for banning me is "You were trolling", but the only evidence you give is "Because I said so, and I decided an e-mail you sent said the same thing".

You are free to look up what trial account my forum account was tied to, check its history & access logs, but of course you wont as it will prove I am right.

(Not that anyone needs proof that FRE's and synch bugs are common)

How about your nice post saying that since I had only posted a few times in the last 6 months, my posting to Community talk on the weekend of international release just had to be a troll, despite my saying it was international release which made me try the trial.

Nor did your post address the fact the forum wouldnt let me post on community talk english until I had tied an NC2 account into it(easily verifiable, search my posts and see for yourself, last post in protected forums before NC2 trial was 03/11/04, after that NC2's system came in and locked me out).

Your arguments are so completely wrong, it would be laughable if it wasnt obvious you were in earnest.

I absolutely love this game

Don't get me wrong, I hate KK and how they've really fucked up Neocron's potential to be an awesome game, but for my first real MMO, it's got so much potential to be a great game in a world of a million and one fantasy mmo's.

I post daily on the official forums, I've been banned multiple times for simply speaking the truth and quoting Nidhogg and KK on their BULLSHIT. I feel like I am paying for them to just fuck me in the ass every month, and if I can manage to get a few minutes of enjoyment out of the game while I'm being rammed by KK's giant dildo all the much better

International Release was an immense failure. After they were delayed ALMOST TWO FULL MONTHS of their "release date" (they said it'd be released quarter 1 2005, March 25 was the last day of quarter 1, and no release...), they gave us a patch to add the newbie shit (which was nice) and some half ass high level content (still no Wisdom of Ceres other than the damn crossbow). Of course this patch that we waited 4 months for, was broken to all hell which needed another patch before International Release, just to fix it. I.R. comes around and look, no new patch with the content promised.

And I know Nidhogg reads this forum, so ban this bitch, you got no power here

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Originally posted by Crichton

And I know Nidhogg reads this forum, so ban this bitch, you got no power here

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Very grown up.

Are we sure that Nidhogg the KK customer service guy is the same Nidhogg as who was the mod???

The new Nid is much more offensive and egiotistical than the old Nid so I figured it must be a KK employee now.

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Originally posted by Dirk_Gently

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Originally posted by Crichton

And I know Nidhogg reads this forum, so ban this bitch, you got no power here

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Very grown up.

Are we sure that Nidhogg the KK customer service guy is the same Nidhogg as who was the mod???

The new Nid is much more offensive and egiotistical than the old Nid so I figured it must be a KK employee now.

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Well, he speaks in the same tone as the "real" Nidhogg

And yes, I consider myself very grown up thank you very much. Just because some people like the iron toed dictatorship of the KK forums doesn't mean I do. I for one am fucking tired of being banned or edited or having locked threads for simply calling them out on their lies and bullshit

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Originally posted by Dirk_Gently

Are we sure that Nidhogg the KK customer service guy is the same Nidhogg as who was the mod???

The new Nid is much more offensive and egiotistical than the old Nid so I figured it must be a KK employee now.

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The guy's named after a corpse-eating demon from Norse mythology. How many people would want that as their nick? Probably the same person.

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Originally posted by Genty

Probably due to the fact that the game is getting ever more difficult to protect and defend.

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Maybe but I don't see how his behaving in the manner he is now will do anything more than make the situation worse. Going nuts at anybody who dares to criticise KK just provokes arguments, makes KK look fantastically unprofessional and makes the atmosphere on the boards even worse.

I preferred mod Nid.

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Originally posted by Dirk_Gently

I preferred mod Nid.

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I enjoyed Neocron in college. Now that I have more time on my hand I wanted to try out NC2. Sorry to hear all the bad news from everyone. :(