Originally posted by hellshanks

 well don't have a fit over something simple. you have many options of control. so what if like 5 people like using different controlls. The game isn't even fully developed yet. How do you know they won't put remapping in there. You totally evaded the point. It has the regular controlls of almost any and every game you can think of. If you could remap, what would you change? using arrow keys instead of WASD or the mouse. Whoop. who cares. Go flame the OTHER 80 precent of mmo's and computer games with these controlls or no remapping. 

 you said before  "free games often leave out those nice little extra touches" (remapping) Nice LITTLE EXTRA. should I bold it and underline it? NICE LITTLE LITTLE EXTRA touches. Do you have to cry about it? It's a LITTLE EXTRA touch. Not some huge deal. Not like it's the only game. Even more it is an UNFINISHED game. it is not updated to the asian version it was taken from. They are STILL UPDATING. 

And you accuse me of having a "fit?" You're funny. The controls suck, and your best argument is the capslock key and bigger fonts? And while you may genuinely be clueless about the difference between "crying" and simply expressing a dislike, it's most likely just another of your petty attempts at an insult. If you're trying to change my opinions about the game, that tactic is guaranteed not to work.

No, Perfect World doesn't have the "regular controlls (sic) of almost any and every game you can think of." It has eight or nine keys in common with the standard control setup, and the rest seem to have been picked at random.

I would go flame the other MMOs with no remapping, but I haven't found any. No doubt they're just crappy free grinders like this one.
 

Originally posted by bonobotheory

Originally posted by hellshanks

 well don't have a fit over something simple. you have many options of control. so what if like 5 people like using different controlls. The game isn't even fully developed yet. How do you know they won't put remapping in there. You totally evaded the point. It has the regular controlls of almost any and every game you can think of. If you could remap, what would you change? using arrow keys instead of WASD or the mouse. Whoop. who cares. Go flame the OTHER 80 precent of mmo's and computer games with these controlls or no remapping. 

 you said before  "free games often leave out those nice little extra touches" (remapping) Nice LITTLE EXTRA. should I bold it and underline it? NICE LITTLE LITTLE EXTRA touches. Do you have to cry about it? It's a LITTLE EXTRA touch. Not some huge deal. Not like it's the only game. Even more it is an UNFINISHED game. it is not updated to the asian version it was taken from. They are STILL UPDATING. 

And you accuse me of having a "fit?" You're funny. The controls suck, and your best argument is the capslock key and bigger fonts? And while you may genuinely be clueless about the difference between "crying" and simply expressing a dislike, it's most likely just another of your petty attempts at an insult. If you're trying to change my opinions about the game, that tactic is guaranteed not to work.

No, Perfect World doesn't have the "regular controlls (sic) of almost any and every game you can think of." It has eight or nine keys in common with the standard control setup, and the rest seem to have been picked at random.

I would go flame the other MMOs with no remapping, but I haven't found any. No doubt they're just crappy free grinders like this one.
 

In Asia this game is actually P2P and is the equivalent to WoW in popularity and everything else. I listed all the controls you're going to use except for Z which is for going down when flying and spacebar for going up. Other than that I'd say its 10/14 with the standard setup (I added the flight controls to non standard because I don't remember controls for other MMOs with flight). Rest of the controls other than the skill hotkeys you have no need to even touch.

If you ask me some of the stuff labeled non standard is actually pointless to label as such, like O to open the cash shop or "Boutique", if you don't buy anything then you won't need that or L for help which essentially the help is not needed because everything is shown to you at the beginning of the game through pop-ups and the help is just spitting back what those pop-ups showed you and is really not the helpful in the first place so you won't touch that either.

This argument is getting pointless. There's always going to be a minority of people who use different controls than anyone else just because they have the option to. 

Should've seen the riot the 15 out of 10,000 people who play the socom series on the playstation that used the "Lefty" controller preset (joystick functions flipped) caused when that setting was left out in the new entry even though their preset was nothing more than switching the functions of the joysticks.

Some people just like things their way.

Originally posted by Bonemane

This argument is getting pointless. There's always going to be a minority of games which use different controls than anyone else just because they have the option to.

I fixed that for you.

But you're right - it's a pointless argument. The controls are the least of this game's problems, and I just uninstalled it after getting a good start in Runes of Magic, where Q and E are movement keys, just like they are in 90% of FPS and MMO games.

And RoM allows the player to change key bindings, so if you absolutely must have something weird for your Q and E keys like Perfect World has, you can do that too.

Originally posted by bonobotheory

Originally posted by Bonemane

This argument is getting pointless. There's always going to be a minority of games which use different controls than anyone else just because they have the option to.

 

I fixed that for you.

But you're right - it's a pointless argument. The controls are the least of this game's problems, and I just uninstalled it after getting a good start in Runes of Magic, where Q and E are movement keys, just like they are in 90% of FPS and MMO games.

And RoM allows the player to change key bindings, so if you absolutely must have something weird for your Q and E keys like Perfect World has, you can do that too.

      Thats the great thing about having alot of different games to choose from.......Im not thrilled with the controls in PW eitehr and if I can make RoM work the way I want then I will probably lean towards that game.......Ive never been a fan of WASD movement and to tel lteh truth I dont even remember the last game where I was forced to move that way....Every game I played that defaulted to that allowed the user to remap the keys.

Originally posted by Shilandry

Game play is pretty cool, has all the elements of a great MMO.

This is NO control options at all...

You use what key they have hardcoded

No Remapping, no autotargeting

"left click to move here" annoyance

This would be a world class game if they decided to let people control it they way they wanted.

 

I agree 100%. I like to control my character with my mouse (without clicking where they move) and even if I can't have that it would be nice to set up custom keys.

That was the second biggest reason I stopped playing, and the first reason is that I can't see other people's level? Pretty retarded IMO.

Originally posted by bonobotheory

Originally posted by Bonemane

This argument is getting pointless. There's always going to be a minority of people which use different controls than anyone else just because they have the option to.

 

I fixed that for you.

But you're right - it's a pointless argument. The controls are the least of this game's problems, and I just uninstalled it after getting a good start in Runes of Magic, where Q and E are movement keys, just like they are in 10% of FPS and MMO games.

And RoM allows the player to change key bindings, so if you absolutely must have something weird for your Q and E keys like Perfect World has, you can do that too.

No sirry bob I had to change that back. You're the first person I ever seen talk about Q & E movement so much. You must live in a foreign country or have an ergonomic keyboard because WASD and the arrow keys are the standard movement keys in most games. Atmost you'll see Q and E for strafe in FPS which is problably what you're referring to.

Aero you might not be able to see people's levels, but you can look at their equipment and have an idea what their level is. This game has an excellent community, noone pretends to be noobs nor is there a reason to. I thought not being able to see levels was odd at first, but its minor and I got past it.

Originally posted by Bonemane

No sirry bob I had to change that back. You're the first person I ever seen talk about Q & E movement so much. You must live in a foreign country or have an ergonomic keyboard because WASD and the arrow keys are the standard movement keys in most games. Atmost you'll see Q and E for strafe in FPS which is problably what you're referring to.

Strafing, at least here in my little foreign country, is a form of movement. Strafing isn't a method of opening a quest log.

It's not just first-person shooters. Just off the top of my head, I can name six MMOs with WASD movement that use the Q and E keys to either strafe or turn - WoW, EQ2, CoH, Ryzom, Guild Wars, and Runes of Magic. I can name one MMO with WASD movement that uses them for something else - Perfect World. 

Explain to me again how Perfect World's controls are the standard, and how using Q and E as additional movement keys is bizarre and unnatural, because I'm just not seeing it.

Originally posted by bonobotheory

Originally posted by Bonemane

No sirry bob I had to change that back. You're the first person I ever seen talk about Q & E movement so much. You must live in a foreign country or have an ergonomic keyboard because WASD and the arrow keys are the standard movement keys in most games. Atmost you'll see Q and E for strafe in FPS which is problably what you're referring to.

 

Strafing, at least here in my little foreign country, is a form of movement. Strafing isn't a method of opening a quest log.

It's not just first-person shooters. Just off the top of my head, I can name six MMOs with WASD movement that use the Q and E keys to either strafe or turn - WoW, EQ2, CoH, Ryzom, Guild Wars, and Runes of Magic. I can name one MMO with WASD movement that uses them for something else - Perfect World. 

Explain to me again how Perfect World's controls are the standard, and how using Q and E as additional movement keys is bizarre and unnatural, because I'm just not seeing it.

The situation's been explained several times by a number of people. If you haven't figured it out already you're never going to =/

Oh and btw you can flip the keys around so that you can turn or strafe with keys. I never knew it was so mind blowingly difficult to hold down the right mouse to turn (another standard that's been there since around the late 90s) =/

Yeah PW is assbackwards and a cheap f2p micro machine ;)

 if you hold "w" and left click, you can move the mouse and you keep walking. If you click WAY off into the distance and hold down left and move it, same thing happens.

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Originally posted by hellshanks

if you hold "w" and left click, you can move the mouse and you keep walking. If you click WAY off into the distance and hold down left and move it, same thing happens.

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Yeah I learned that on my first day by accident. I was trying out different things and I ended up clicking into the distance a little and holding down left and my guy moved with the mouse. I didn't  bother with it after that cause I got used to walking with the keys and clicking whenever I felt like it.

Shame some people act like their smart when it blows their mind that they have to use the mouse to turn which has been around almost since the dawn of time. And the final truth is Perfect World combines all the different movement options into one except for the movement in Runescape where you click on the map and your character moves to the spot you clicked. I think Runescape has that copyrighted or something cause I have yet to see a game to do it.

We're at a point in time where controls for games are simple and people still complain.

C is for Cat

Q is for Quest
D is for Dog

F is for Friends

G is for Guild

Originally posted by Bonemane

Yeah PW is assbackwards and a cheap f2p micro machine

 Finally we agree on something.

At least they got WASD right. Pity they screwed up nearly every other key on the keyboard. But that's what happens when you take a cheap Asian grinder with click-to-move, and try to add Western-style controls onto it as an afterthought.

WSAD right? That's a horrible movement mapping!

I've played FPS games since early 90's and I've always used home row. You have many more options to map skills/weapons near there.

d=forward
c=backwards
s=strafe left
f= strafe right

Steering done with mouse in MMO's

This is your natural hand placement on the keyboard.

now you have 123456 qwerty agh zxvb all easily reached from there. That's 19 skills you can hit on the fly without even looking (if you know how to type) And that's not counting the 3 mouse buttons I have also. I also stay away from tab/caps/shift/control/alt  but that's just me so there's 5 more.

You can also hit any of those skill bindings without taking your finger off of d. (good for the faster paced mmo's where moving is key instead of just sitting there ) Once you get used to it. Just testing while I type this it's a bit harder with wsad. Plus you pinky feels like its off in oregon .

Anyways I agree that the bindings for this game need to be able to be completely remapped how the user wants them. NO game should be released to the public without that option. To many people have their own mappings that, in some cases they've used for many years and won't change.

Whoever came up with WSAD movements had down syndrom.

I <3 this game :)

Originally posted by Bonemane

 but it has the same control almost every game in EXISTENCE has been using for years.

Oh yeah?  Is there an Invert Mouse option yet? 

Didn't think so.

 Your all "assbackwards" seeriously., bad controls? B for bag. not missing the "I for inventory" there. M for map. uhhh. thats pretty self-explanatory as is G for guild and most of the others. The only confussing one is "R for Skill" but there is logic to it. Seriously it's not that hard to grasp. Thing about the key your pressing for 2 seconds and logic kicks in unless you have lost all logic. It seems most people arguing either didn't take much time to figure it out, or are totally lost to everything. 

You said "But that's what happens when you take a cheap Asian grinder with click-to-move, and try to add Western-style controls onto it" totally wrong though. PW is almost bigger that WoW in Asia. Not a "Cheap" grinder at all. click to move. right after talking about "WASD" movement. it's the same movement as almost every other game in existance. Have you ever seen western controls? WASD movement, m for map, g for guild, ECT ECT all the same controls. 

Originally posted by indiramourn

Originally posted by Bonemane

 but it has the same control almost every game in EXISTENCE has been using for years.

 

Oh yeah?  Is there an Invert Mouse option yet? 

Didn't think so.

Haven't you heard?  Perfect World uses the same controls as every other game in existence, except for the controls that aren't the same, but they don't count. 

I love how they go on and on about WASD, as if those are the only four keys that even matter. Mention anything else that's abnormal (which is pretty much everything else), and they cry, "That doesn't count! It uses WASD!"

Originally posted by bonobotheory

Except I play eleventy hojillion other games where Q and E turn left and right (sometimes they're mapped to strafe, but I can remap them so A and D strafe, and Q and E turn).

...except that those "eleventy hojillion" other games happen to be FPS games, not MMOs. Throw a dart to pick any random f2p MMO on the list on mmorpg.com, odds are that pressing Q will bring up the Quest log.

Also, who brought up "B" for inventory ("bag")? Puhlease. I don't play those tiny handful of western pay MMOs, I play mostly asian f2p games... and practically all of them use the standard "i" for inventory. Just as "eleventy hojillion" singleplayer computer RPGs use the i-key to open your inventory. Diablo, Titan Quest to name some big examples.

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On an unrelated note, here's another pet peeve of mine... I don't care how large WoW is, you play a fucking CHARACTER, not a "TOON". This isn't fucking Disney. Just because WoW (and now some other clones of it) fucks around with some conventions doesn't mean they're the norm.

Originally posted by Trucidation

Originally posted by bonobotheory

Except I play eleventy hojillion other games where Q and E turn left and right (sometimes they're mapped to strafe, but I can remap them so A and D strafe, and Q and E turn).

 

...except that those "eleventy hojillion" other games happen to be FPS games, not MMOs. Throw a dart to pick any random f2p MMO on the list on mmorpg.com, odds are that pressing Q will bring up the Quest log.

Random f2p MMOs tend to suck, so if that's all you're playing, it's not surprising you're seeing limited options for movement. 

If you'd followed the thread, you'd see I was referring not only to FPS games, but MMOs like World of Warcraft, City of Heroes, Everquest II, Warhammer: Age of Reckoning, Runes of Magic, and Guild Wars (and plenty of others I haven't played or have forgotten about), all of which use Q and E for additional movement. If you're going to borrow the movement system from FPS games, you may as well use the whole thing.

But you do have a point - cheapass f2p games tend to use an incomplete movement system, while quality MMOs have a more robust system. If I want a quality interface, I have to stick to playing quality games. Cheap games are going to have cheap controls.

Originally posted by bonobotheory

Originally posted by Trucidation

Originally posted by bonobotheory

Except I play eleventy hojillion other games where Q and E turn left and right (sometimes they're mapped to strafe, but I can remap them so A and D strafe, and Q and E turn).

 

...except that those "eleventy hojillion" other games happen to be FPS games, not MMOs. Throw a dart to pick any random f2p MMO on the list on mmorpg.com, odds are that pressing Q will bring up the Quest log.

 

Random f2p MMOs tend to suck, so if that's all you're playing, it's not surprising you're seeing limited options for movement. 

If you'd followed the thread, you'd see I was referring not only to FPS games, but MMOs like World of Warcraft, City of Heroes, Everquest II, Warhammer: Age of Reckoning, Runes of Magic, and Guild Wars (and plenty of others I haven't played or have forgotten about), all of which use Q and E for additional movement. If you're going to borrow the movement system from FPS games, you may as well use the whole thing.

But you do have a point - cheapass f2p games tend to use an incomplete movement system, while quality MMOs have a more robust system. If I want a quality interface, I have to stick to playing quality games. Cheap games are going to have cheap controls.

I'm sorry, but you yourself are wrong. Every game you just refered is either still in development or was made in late 04 or after. I'm sorry buddy, but games existed before that. Especially the f2p MMOs.

Only thing you've proven is that they adopted Q and E to the WASD movement set almost 7 years after the fact. It's still fresh and not standard which is why only those games you named use them. Nobody has to implement an idea that is only about 3 years old.

I see you're still referring to PW as cheap. How many times do you have to be proven wrong before you quit? Do we have to pull up the financial records and look at the hundreds of millions the game made last year or the years before? Or do you just want us to let you wallow in your own naiveness?

Originally posted by Shilandry

Game play is pretty cool, has all the elements of a great MMO.

This is NO control options at all...

You use what key they have hardcoded

No Remapping, no autotargeting

"left click to move here" annoyance

This would be a world class game if they decided to let people control it they way they wanted.

 

I agree the lack of KEY MAPPING shows the developer to be quite amateur.I have kind of got over it bothering me because those Koreans [that part of asia] seem locked in there ways and not ready to move past it.Plaus you have to factor in,they are just re hashing old game engines,and using the pre sets ,rather than code anything different.

Thing is i DID NOT see Perfect World to be that good,even with proper Key Mapping.I found it to be ho hum same old,typical F2P static buildings,with static NPC's .When is the last time you saw a Korean game with ACTUAL working movers[doors]in a game?That always have the typical NPC standing in front of a dead bulding,very weak,lazy mapping IMO anyhow.

As soon as you see the typical F2P looking game,you can bet you are going to get the A typical questing.

When i first read all the things PW offered i was very excited and jumped right in there to get the download.I am not even sure i spent more than one day and deleted it,IDK maybe it was 2/3,but it is long out of my mind now,so it for sure had nothing good that would stick in my mind.