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  Sawlstone

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5/15/13 11:41:21 AM#21
Originally posted by Livnthedream
Originally posted by Sawlstone

You are right, I most likely couldn't because I would not spend the time looking. Either way I just don't understand why people feel the need to attempt to discredit something that has not effect on their lives what so ever. But I am happy to oblige in conversation to keep Divergence getting some buzz :)

That alone shows just how poor an analogy that is. The important part though is his blatant lack of professionalism. You do not climb into a van that says Free Candy on the side, so why are you going to listen to a guy that has yet to produce anything but some screenshots? The same stuff that he has been using for years. This is exactly why I draw lines between him and the garbage that Appleton has spread. And much like the negative press that Appleton has created it does effect me. The more of these shitty projects that throw out great ideas and continue to beg for money and not produce anything the more people are not willing to pony up for the projects that are not pipe dreams. Vaporware is not something that should EVER be thought of as a good thing.

 

Do you vote? Seems to me its okay to want something to improve my mmo's gaming experiences, just as I do when I cast a vote in an election I'm doing so in hope of improving my quality of life. If you have some personal vendetta against him that is fine. I sometimes get angry at politicians.

  Loktofeit

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5/15/13 12:26:31 PM#22
Originally posted by Sawlstone
Originally posted by Livnthedream
Originally posted by Sawlstone

You are right, I most likely couldn't because I would not spend the time looking. Either way I just don't understand why people feel the need to attempt to discredit something that has not effect on their lives what so ever. But I am happy to oblige in conversation to keep Divergence getting some buzz :)

That alone shows just how poor an analogy that is. The important part though is his blatant lack of professionalism. You do not climb into a van that says Free Candy on the side, so why are you going to listen to a guy that has yet to produce anything but some screenshots? The same stuff that he has been using for years. This is exactly why I draw lines between him and the garbage that Appleton has spread. And much like the negative press that Appleton has created it does effect me. The more of these shitty projects that throw out great ideas and continue to beg for money and not produce anything the more people are not willing to pony up for the projects that are not pipe dreams. Vaporware is not something that should EVER be thought of as a good thing.

Do you vote? Seems to me its okay to want something to improve my mmo's gaming experiences, just as I do when I cast a vote in an election I'm doing so in hope of improving my quality of life. If you have some personal vendetta against him that is fine. I sometimes get angry at politicians.

You accuse him of attempting to discredit EthanC and imply he has some kind of a personal vendetta, when he has displayed nothing of the sort. He is presenting his opinion and views based on what he has seen so far, the history of projects like this, the history of the guy making it, and what has proven to be realistically achievable by similar teams.

 

  • "I am really excited when I think about this game!! I can't wait to see it grow :)"
 
  • "Still waiting on evidence that the game is anything other than a money pit. Its almost like he provided the manual Appleton is following."
 
Equally reasonable replies.
 
Hey, this is another bump for Divergence for you, so even if you ignore the above you still benefit from that added buzz you were looking for. Yer welcome! o/

 

  Livnthedream

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5/15/13 12:35:03 PM#23
Originally posted by Sawlstone

Do you vote? Seems to me its okay to want something to improve my mmo's gaming experiences, just as I do when I cast a vote in an election I'm doing so in hope of improving my quality of life. If you have some personal vendetta against him that is fine. I sometimes get angry at politicians.

Of course I vote. I would be a rather shitty American if I did not. The problem again with your analogy is that I only vote for those that I truly believe can be of benefit. Generally by actually looking at what they have done and just how in tune those idea's are with what I feel needs to actually be done. I do not vote in ignorance. Though I truly wish more people would vote like me. If you truly believe his rhetoric over what he has actually produced I pity you. Look at Planet Explorers. Its similar to this in many ways yet actually have something to show for it. Why are you not backing them?

 

@Lok Thank you for summing that up better than I could.

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  Herko

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5/15/13 2:10:36 PM#24
Originally posted by Livnthedream
Originally posted by Sawlstone

Do you vote?

Of course I vote.(...) I only vote for those that I truly believe can be of benefit. Generally by actually looking at what they have done and just how in tune those idea's are with what I feel needs to actually be done. I do not vote in ignorance. 

 

... but, unless you are voting for somebody´s reelection, wouldn´t it be fair to say that, no matter how informed your decision may be, you are actually throwing a bit of hope into the mix?

 

I mean: if your candidate for Governor has never been Governor before, how can you be absolutely certain he´s good at the job? (even if he´s been an outstanding senator, or prosecutor, or CEO, or whatever)

 

Of course: the lengthier your candidate´s resumé in other areas, the more informed your decision... but in anything new, you gotta admit that what you "truly believe" requires a leap of faith. Obviously, here´s when "mileage may vary" applies; for some, a few feet may be a great leap; others may feel confident with yards, or kilometers.

 

I think that what I´m trying to say is: just let the faithful have their Pascal´s wager. If they lose, nobody loses much; you have a good point that we could certainly live with less vaporware, but (again mileage may vary...) IMHO is no such big deal. Yet, if they win... we all win big, mate, because the genre could really use some indie sandbox making a big splash.

 

Going back to the voting example: in RL it makes a lot of senses to support who you think is the right candidate, *AND* also bash who you think is the wrong candidate, because for your candidate to win you need the other guy to lose; typical case of zero-sum game. But in here, it seems that everybody has a lot to gain if one title (no matter which one) gives the whole MMO genre a kick in the rear. As you say, probably won´t be this one, but... who knows?

 

Wouldn´t it be awesome (even for you!) if the extremely unlikely happened, and you´re wrong? :)

  Livnthedream

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5/15/13 2:20:23 PM#25
Originally posted by Herko

... but, unless you are voting for somebody´s reelection, wouldn´t it be fair to say that, no matter how informed your decision may be, you are actually throwing a bit of hope into the mix?

 

I mean: if your candidate for Governor has never been Governor before, how can you be absolutely certain he´s good at the job? (even if he´s been an outstanding senator, or prosecutor, or CEO, or whatever)

 

Of course: the lengthier your candidate´s resumé in other areas, the more informed your decision... but in anything new, you gotta admit that what you "truly believe" requires a leap of faith. Obviously, here´s when "mileage may vary" applies; for some, a few feet may be a great leap; others may feel confident with yards, or kilometers.

 

I think that what I´m trying to say is: just let the faithful have their Pascal´s wager. If they lose, nobody loses much; you have a good point that we could certainly live with less vaporware, but (again mileage may vary...) IMHO is no such big deal. Yet, if they win... we all win big, mate, because the genre could really use some indie sandbox making a big splash.

 

Going back to the voting example: in RL it makes a lot of senses to support who you think is the right candidate, *AND* also bash who you think is the wrong candidate, because for your candidate to win you need the other guy to lose; typical case of zero-sum game. But in here, it seems that everybody has a lot to gain if one title (no matter which one) gives the whole MMO genre a kick in the rear. As you say, probably won´t be this one, but... who knows?

I only vote for those that have a strong track record, and do not vote at all if there are no good choices. Lack of voting is my own way of saying no confidence, even if it is lost on the current political system. There is not much faith involved when you actually look at what decisions they have made in the past. Which is exactly why I say this ones track record is obscene, and if I can stop even one person from hesitating before throwing money at him I can only say its better for the community. Developers that act the way this one has acted are not worthy of your faith.

Wouldn´t it be awesome (even for you!) if the extremely unlikely happened, and you´re wrong? :)

For this project, certainly not. It would just further lend credence that people like Ethan and Jason should actually be supported, which is absurd.

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  polySurface

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5/18/13 10:48:10 PM#26
I'm guessing the next time we hear from divergence will be for another cash grab.

Feydikan sums up Divergence Online development.
"OMG working so hard..pant pant... need sleep... pant pant.... and money... pant pant....keep faith"

  Fallbreaker1

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5/24/13 12:28:46 AM#27
Originally posted by polySurface
I'm guessing the next time we hear from divergence will be for another cash grab.

Wrong again Bob.

(Taken from official forums thread)

New Devblog Post 5/20/2013 And Poll

Postby EthanC » Tue May 21, 2013 12:56 pm

New Devblog is live! Please have an open mind as to it's content and vote on which outcome you'd prefer to see happen in the next few weeks.

Divergence is at a fork in the road right now and we'd like to get your input on which road the community would prefer we followed.

We could tie together a version within just 2-3 weeks that shows off many of the more awesome features we intend to include in the finished game. This version however, as a placeholder, would require several of it's features to be re-worked later down the line in creation of the finalized systems required for live and thus it would extend the amount of time we need to get a playable version in the hands of contributors.

Or we could say screw the placeholder systems and just barrel straight ahead towards the finalized systems, not stopping to create as much "presentation pieces" as previously intended. We'd be looking at most likely 3-5 weeks on this model but the interface and features you see there would be very close to "as is" at live and it would help get a playable version out there sooner.

Thanks for your input.
You are really, really, going to be surprised.
And if you aren't surprised, you are a cynical prick.

<3

-Ethan

 

(Taken from Official DevBlog)

One-Month Recap and My Adventures in Game Development


After having been up for over 30 hours trying to get some stuff working that I feel very close to, I decided it was time to make a new DevBlog post, however after reading it back to myself, I was suddenly confronted with the reality that it will probably make me seem like The Unabomber.

My first response was to scrap the whole thing, then pick it back up tomorrow. Then, after weighing the consequenes, I decided to go ahead and keep it exactly as-is; A somewhat nonsensical collection of points that don't really relate to one another as much as they seemed to have in my mind at the time I wrote them down. I've decided to keep it as-is because keeping with the policy of honesty that I try to sell as the focal point of my campaign, it's best that people understand who and what they're getting involved in, for better or for worse.

And so without further ado:

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Devblog: May 20th.
One-Month Recap and My Adventures in Game Development

----------------

Common is the practice of game developers (especially MMORPG developers) who make broad claims about how kickass their product is going to be; How innovative and game-changing their creative vision, then once the obligatory "reality check sets in" they must recede from the original grand design of their heart's desire to something more realistic. It's called "settling".

Now imagine my surprise to find that I get to be a part of the first time, as far as I'm aware, that the opposite has actually happened. Less than one month has passed since the final day of our first financing campaign and the game is at least twice as far along as I had thought it could possibly be. We're not only on-schedule, but actually ahead of it. It might still go into testing at the same period, but it'll be better at that time than I previously figured it would be.

What's the secret?

Obviously the secret is hate. Anyone who watched either or both of my first two videos for our first campaign could probably glean with little effort how difficult it has become for me to mask my contempt for the state of MMO-gaming. As far as I'm concerned, WoW and companies like EA impregnated my once-beloved genre with the foul seed of corruption until it's belly was laid fat and bloated with millions of meme-spewing fetuses and their bad fucking English.

Yes, it's true. I am mostly ruined. However, ruined as I may very well be, I can still be useful at something.

This. I can be useful - at this, and that is enough for me.

There's an upside to trying and failing at something for seven years simply because you have no money however. The benefit is efficiency. When you have nothing for a long enough time, you slowly become the master of finding out ways to do things cheaply. Just as the human body becomes an engine of brutal efficiency if kept just above the point of starvation for long enough, so then has Stained Glass Llama gradually solidified into a lean lumberjack of game development somehow.

And then you suddenly have money. For me, it was compliments of a few hundred desperate MMOers who, if i had a people (which I don't) I would hesitate but for a moment to call them "my people". They are the closest thing that might exist.

Now the body has fuel and thus, now the money goes far. Very far in fact. Although still an expensive trade, building an mmorpg, if it isn't essential it doesn't stay.

Good family man? Good husband? Taking the family out camping on the weekend you say? Well, fuck you I'm paying the foreign guy who bleeds coffee on a Saturday night to help me get that feature working.

Why? Because that is what those 366 backers have entrusted me to do with their hard-earned money.

The more the cache in the pool rose day by day the more I began to feel an increasing sense of responsibility to those people. I think it finally hit me somewhere around the $20,000 mark; the critical mass of, "Oh shit... Now i really DO have to make this work..."

Then there was also an emotional component that I hadn't expected.

All in all, I received probably three negative "you will fail" messages and over 500 "you can do it" ones. I have spent the better part of my entire life being the adversary of my own species and here were these random humans throwing their money at me and begging me to continue. Begging.

I'll always remember one letter a guy sent me. It was a very emotional paragraph baring the trademark inconsistency and sentence structure of someone genuinely unstable. It took me two sittings to finish it only because the fellow really put you in a room with him and his troubles while he explained that the good times of his past (what i refer to as "The Golden Days of MMOs" mainly centered around EQ, AO and later, SWG) were gone and would never come around again, and somehow this was an allegory his life in general. That those good feelings derived from a silly little game, being a part of a real community where he had friends, had people waiting on him to log in and the freedom he enjoyed were over because of the new climate of the genre. It was a story of prison, suffering, loss and desperation for a chance to have back those good times.

You could count the number of things I believe in on one hand, but one thing that I have to believe is that given enough time even the deepest wounds can be healed, or at the very least mended. Moving on requires the brain to accrue new memories and experiences, and sometimes a shitload of them for a serious enough trauma. The more distracted you can keep your thoughts, the quicker that time will pass and in theory, the sooner you can return to the world as something like a whole person.

And so I came to realize that I'm creating a distraction; An alternate reality for people to "escape into" and in many circles, such a practice is considered a negative one.

I decided to say, "Yeah? Screw it." If it keeps a guy from murdering his ex-wife and spending the rest of his life in prison, how can that possibly be a bad thing? Not that the pursuit of vengeance is not a valid cause in my opinion, which it most certainly is, but the ideal situation is one in which you are simply able to "Get over it". If you can't, by all means,go forth and seek vengeance. If you can however, do so.

The universe will not stand in judgement of me, or anyone else for that matter. It is both the responsibility and the right of the individual creature to find or create purpose should we need it.

I've accepted that my purpose right now is to create an artificial reality for emotionally unstable weirdos.

So be it.
  polySurface

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5/24/13 4:18:05 PM#28
Exactly, get ready guys we are about to hit you up for more money.

Feydikan sums up Divergence Online development.
"OMG working so hard..pant pant... need sleep... pant pant.... and money... pant pant....keep faith"

  Fraden

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Why am I even typing this?

5/24/13 10:11:46 PM#29
Originally posted by polySurface
Exactly, get ready guys we are about to hit you up for more money.

This is why you read everything not just a devblog. If you went to the forums you'd see a poll they gave the community, asking us if we'd like either more new videos or a playable version this summer on which we can give feedback.

 

Also the developer blog states clearly that no new campaign will start until the promised milestone prizes are given to the community. The playable demo is most likely going to cover everything the videos would have, so no they will not be "hitting you up for more money" until they bring forth what they promised with the initial funds.

 

Read before you bring negativity to the table, or that's all you will be getting back at a certain point.

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  Livnthedream

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5/29/13 12:31:10 PM#30
Originally posted by Fraden
Originally posted by polySurface
Exactly, get ready guys we are about to hit you up for more money.

This is why you read everything not just a devblog. If you went to the forums you'd see a poll they gave the community, asking us if we'd like either more new videos or a playable version this summer on which we can give feedback.

 

Also the developer blog states clearly that no new campaign will start until the promised milestone prizes are given to the community. The playable demo is most likely going to cover everything the videos would have, so no they will not be "hitting you up for more money" until they bring forth what they promised with the initial funds.

 

Read before you bring negativity to the table, or that's all you will be getting back at a certain point.

Says the apologist who has done nothing but advertise or attempt to create sympathy. The whopping 30 people on the DO forum are truly a massive army. The sheer amount of negativity, and frankly buzzwords Ethan keeps tossing around with nothing to show for it are staggering.

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