Originally posted by JonathanWe

it's funny to see that people say that Aion has failed:P

The game is doing quite well actually, much better then other MMO's that have been released the las couple of years.

there are enough players, so the game is far from dead, and NCSOFT seems to make enough money on it to keep it up and running...

And no I'm not playing, the game is quite bad IMO, but my gf play everyday, and she never has any problem what so ever to find people to play with.

However, WoW is still a more popular and successful game, and I doubt Aion will beat SWTOR when it gets released.

 

but Aion never failed. (IMO)

It's not really a matter of opinion.  Aion has done better than the vast majority of other subscriptions MMOs, especially when you consider how long its been around.  A much newer and relatively successful game like Rift might have done better at first, but has already fallen behind in subscription numbers.  I think it could even be argued that it's second to only WoW, but with all the complexities of MMO revenue, it'd be debatable at best.  But still, that it's even debatable shows just how far from being a failure the game has been.

Aion and WOW are fantasy whilst SWTOR is scifi.

Originally posted by caremuchless

In Grinding #1

Name a game that doesn't involve grinding. Yeah thats right, you can't, because no matter how you 'shape it' what your doing in every single MMo your play is one form or another of grinding. 

Originally posted by Vhaln

Originally posted by JonathanWe

it's funny to see that people say that Aion has failed:P

The game is doing quite well actually, much better then other MMO's that have been released the las couple of years.

there are enough players, so the game is far from dead, and NCSOFT seems to make enough money on it to keep it up and running...

And no I'm not playing, the game is quite bad IMO, but my gf play everyday, and she never has any problem what so ever to find people to play with.

However, WoW is still a more popular and successful game, and I doubt Aion will beat SWTOR when it gets released.

 

but Aion never failed. (IMO)

 

It's not really a matter of opinion.  Aion has done better than the vast majority of other subscriptions MMOs, especially when you consider how long its been around.  A much newer and relatively successful game like Rift might have done better at first, but has already fallen behind in subscription numbers.  I think it could even be argued that it's second to only WoW, but with all the complexities of MMO revenue, it'd be debatable at best.  But still, that it's even debatable shows just how far from being a failure the game has been.

 

True.

Originally posted by Biggus99

Originally posted by Kopogero

Originally posted by caremuchless

In Grinding #1

Depends for what you are grinding. WOW offers achivement/title heavy grind.

 

That kind of grind isn't mandatory though.  If you decide not to partake in that grind, you lose nothing.  The kind of grind in Aion is forced on you, because it is a grind for levels.  You have no choice but to deal with it.

The "grind" for levels isn't much of a grind anymore. Actually it's a total joke compared to the hardcore item grind which is completely RNG ruled.

I canceled swtor preorder and unsub'd wow after seeing player housing. never played aion, but has good reviews, good lore, and great graphics. Cant wait for the dl to finish lol

Originally posted by adenn

I canceled swtor preorder and unsub'd wow after seeing player housing. never played aion, but has good reviews, good lore, and great graphics. Cant wait for the dl to finish lol

Next up is that moment of regret realizing you just gave up your early access all for shiny housing that may or may not be any good.   Enjoy the level grind and asian theme though. 

Originally posted by oxyde

Originally posted by adenn

I canceled swtor preorder and unsub'd wow after seeing player housing. never played aion, but has good reviews, good lore, and great graphics. Cant wait for the dl to finish lol

Next up is that moment of regret realizing you just gave up your early access all for shiny housing that may or may not be any good.   Enjoy the level grind and asian theme though. 

What the hell are you talking about? There's no level grind in Aion anymore. A friend of mine did 47-55 in a single week and those are the levels that take the longest. I rerolled a sorc and did 1-20 on first day, 21-28 on second and 29-32 on third day.

As written above, there's an brutal RNG grind after you reached max level but to get to max level is really easy these days.

Originally posted by Biggus99

Originally posted by Slowdoves

Originally posted by Biggus99

Originally posted by Kopogero

Originally posted by caremuchless

In Grinding #1

Depends for what you are grinding. WOW offers achivement/title heavy grind.

 

That kind of grind isn't mandatory though.  If you decide not to partake in that grind, you lose nothing.  The kind of grind in Aion is forced on you, because it is a grind for levels.  You have no choice but to deal with it.

 

 

The grind is not that bad at all! Not like it use to be.

 

I realize the grind has improved quite a bit from release, but it's still pretty grind-heavy compared to other AAA titles out there.  

Hate to say it but now a days if it takes more than 30-60 mins to earn a level people whine that its a grind. Course I am exagerating. but really if it takes longer than a lv in wow, most people whine that its a major grind. personally I don't see the point to rushing to endgame, especallty in wow, you raid... ok, now what use does the raid gear serve? nothing, (more raids don't count), there is absoulty 0 use for raid gear in WoW other than more raids, You can't pvp with it due to blizzard seregating pve and pvp. Its why I quit wow shortly after hitting cap, didn't see any point to bothering with the raiding due to lack of use for the gear, to much fo a time commitment for stuff that serves no more useful purpose. Now if it had some ally vs horde land control pvpve I could use the gear in, that'd be a diff story.

Originally posted by Kopogero

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilEffax8id4&feature=player_embedded

Looking by the latest video and from my previous Aion experience it seems like this game currently got the edge over WOW and SWTOR?

Aion wins in

#1 Graphics

#2 Combat

#3 Extra housing feature?

 

Discuss...

This update finally makes Aion look like the game that should have been at launch.

Now, if they only merged a couple of the old lower pop servers and used that hardware to launch a fresh one I would come back in a sec.

Preferbly one that is PvP optional with open PvP restricted to the Abyss.

I refuse to be gank farmed by uber twinked out vets 24/7 though.

Originally posted by Kopogero

Aion wins in

#1 Graphics

#2 Combat

#3 Extra housing feature?

Using those criteria, Age of Conan was the best MMO in existence when it launched.

There's something horribly wrong with real world because it does not follow the criteria you're using.

Originally posted by Siveria

Hate to say it but now a days if it takes more than 30-60 mins to earn a level people whine that its a grind. Course I am exagerating. but really if it takes longer than a lv in wow, most people whine that its a major grind. 

Actually, it doesn't seem to be as much about how long it takes, but rather how boring it is. I don't care if it takes a whole week to gain a level, as long as what I'm doing during that week is engaging and fun. Aion may not be much worse than most other MMOs in this regard, but it also isn't any better, so why bother to switch?

Originally posted by Kopogero

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilEffax8id4&feature=player_embedded

Looking by the latest video and from my previous Aion experience it seems like this game currently got the edge over WOW and SWTOR?

Aion wins in

#1 Graphics

#2 Combat

#3 Extra housing feature?

 

Discuss...

You just described Mortal Online.... I think that answers your question.

Originally posted by caremuchless

In Grinding #1

LOL this sums it sums it up. Aion may look prettier, but the grind is godsawful.

Originally posted by nightfallrob

Originally posted by caremuchless

In Grinding #1

LOL this sums it sums it up. Aion may look prettier, but the grind is godsawful.

In AION to gain lvls ppl do quests, some quest is to kill mobs, others to pick something, others just to talk with some npc, etc. Isnt this system use it for the most west mmorpgs?

During the process of leveling, players can do instances according to their lvls. Killing trash and boss's for some nice drop. Isnt this system use it for the most west mmorpgs?

In lvl cap, players do group activitys trying to gear up the best they can (instances, dredgions, sieges, daylies quests, etc). Isnt this system use it for the most west mmorpgs?

The time from lvl 1 to cap (55 atm) is preatty fast too, so even here is not diferent from west mmorpgs.

The grinding in AION is just the same as the most west mmorpgs, just dont get it all this posts calling AION grinding like it is really worse then any other game around.

About OP, that 3 features dont make the best mmorpg, not even close.

OP - you missed out (probably intentionally)

the RNG.

the server merges and subsequent player transfer fiasco

the unworkable mix of world pvp and pve players

the 100% socketing manastones cash shop items plus p2p

the woeful support from NC in the west

so, lets consider your original question again.....

Originally posted by JudgeUK

the unworkable mix of world pvp and pve players

This is a major issue for this game... it suffers a real identity crisis.

The shame of it is  that offering (fresh) optional PvP servers alongside the open world PvP ones would probably bring a flood of people back (and new starters).

NCS seem to lack the will or courage to try the idea out though, but then they are not alone... more devs need to realise the power of fresh servers as a marketing tool.

Originally posted by Purutzil

Originally posted by caremuchless

In Grinding #1

Name a game that doesn't involve grinding. Yeah thats right, you can't, because no matter how you 'shape it' what your doing in every single MMo your play is one form or another of grinding. 

Yes but there are plenty of games that try to make the grind interesting in varying ways (storytelling, low-level PvP offering experience, etc). Simply put, for 20 levels Aion doesn't. It instead requires you to endure in the hopes that things will get better. If you want to waste your time and money on that you're welcome to, but most of us would like to actually enjoy our time playing the game instead of simply logging hours on a clock.

this game its death already on west period, lots of people want to join the train to KOTORmmo and GW2, so even if they go FTP AION will crush to a death end on the west

All the noise people make about Aion...it's mind boggling.  Why can't people let this game just do what it does.  Everybody knows that visuals are only one aspect of any gameplay.  Just like with humans - you can be hot and be dumber than poo.

Aion is a gorgeous game with oustanding customization options (x2 with housing coming up!).  If you like customization - yes, Aion beats those games. 

Gameplay itself is behind the tims a bit, and combat can be downright clunky at times (do I really need to stop moving just to finish that combat animation?).  Everybody knwos that pvp in the air is basically broken in favor of ranged and that will most likely never change. - if you want epic questing, smooth combat, dynamic events, class diversity and balanced pvp - this game loses compared to many other games.

Aion isn't going anywhere anytime soon - it's a money making machine for NCSoft (yes, even in the West since content is released slow.