Originally posted by Mannish

Originally posted by JudgeUK

Aion 3.0 - The Empty Land, too late NC.

The game had fantastic potential, but now serves as lessons in how to lose player numbers.

Next time NC need to pass supervision of the western game to a third party, preferably one that has a significant expereience with the western playerbase.

If the consequences are that the western version becomes a noticeably different game than the Asian one, then so be it. 

The history of NC changes in this game shows that they just didn't understand the best way forward for the western market. It is too late to say that now the game is different from the launch version. Large players numbers have gone. A small number  will always float backwards and forwards, sme with any game.

But the opportunity for this to be more than a niche game in the west has long gone.

 

Will decline further with new game launches, especially GW2. NC's next offering Blade & Soul is round the corner. Hopefully they have learnt the lessons here, but only time will tell.

 

Aion is doing great and is the #2 Pay To Play MMO on the market. Of course it could have done better in the west but thats not its main market. Its main market is Asia and its doing fine there. Guild Wars 2, Blade & Soul, Wild Star, New Lineage game and Lineage 2 going FTP. What other mmo company out there is doing anything close to what NC Soft is doing? 

That's it...

It's strange, we know that ncsoft is allways getting new strange solutions, but what really happens it's great and awsome games. Even with all those big mistakes like AION has, i hope that those new promisses get real. And i dont see no problem about the home/house system, about the rng, thats another thing.

I am still hoping that one day, on aion or any other mmorpg i play, gives me other matters to concern beside leveling up. What about a gear/set/weapon with hours of game or experience to be upgraded. Now when i wear my "new lvl35" or lvl20 or lvl45 (doesnt matter the lvl), i know that it will have a 3-5 lvls range to be weared and still do something nice. It would be great if i had an objective to get that set/weapon and upgrade it all the way in game lvl. But thats only my opinion ^-^

Originally posted by Teala

This is what Aion should have been at launch.   Now it is truly hitting epic awesomeness.   More games should add housing and seasons.   With the upcoming water expansions - this game will be one of the most epic games on the market.

 

Aion 3.0 Trailer - The Promised Land

No, it wont be. AION  is a Pve/Social MMO, even worse after 3.0.  it will be a success In korea but not in this side of the world where people are just tired of games like AION. Cute graphics without enough quality content, just an exucse of content called ¨endless grindfest¨ to keep the players playing AION like a real job.  AION NA is dying, and that wont change, swtor is coming next Month, then TSW and even GW2 and AION doesnt have enough content to be competitive in the West Market.  

Originally posted by hikaru77

Originally posted by Teala

This is what Aion should have been at launch.   Now it is truly hitting epic awesomeness.   More games should add housing and seasons.   With the upcoming water expansions - this game will be one of the most epic games on the market.

 

Aion 3.0 Trailer - The Promised Land

No, it wont be. AION  is a Pve/Social MMO, even worse after 3.0.  it will be a success In korea but not in this side of the world where people are just tired of games like AION. Cute graphics without enough quality content, just an exucse of content called ¨endless grindfest¨ to keep the players playing AION like a real job.  AION NA is dying, and that wont change, swtor is coming next Month, then TSW and even GW2 and AION doesnt have enough content to be competitive in the West Market.  

AION have enouph content and all with good quality. Those who say that are ppl that only like PvP or only PvE.

AION was allways be supose a PvPvE game (like they call it), so any player that like PvP and PvE will be happy on this game.

PvPers scream on forums for more PvP features and PvErs scream for a PvE server. This game have both features mix and some ppl dont like that.

PVP and PVE Players scream on forums because the game tried to accomodate both players types on the same servers. This just doesn't mix.

All that happens is the pve players want to play their game, only to get ganked over and over by pvp players. I played for a year from launch. I saw this everytime i was on.

Then the pve players complain so NC change the rules

Then the pvp players complain so the rules get changed again

and so on.......

Seven uk servers are now two and a half with population declining. No amount of cash shop fluff can disguise this decline. Will housing change the reasons why so many people left? Of course not.

The RNG is still a population killer - this simply doesn't go down well in the west. Never has done - these compamies need to learn this.

For Aion to truly grow in the west, I would say that they need to get rid of the rng, introduce pve servers wilth consensual pvp. Retain the fort battles, have some additional rvr battles for those who want it. And improve the western support.;

Verdict - 3.0 not going to save the western game. Major reasons for mass player exodus still there.

Originally posted by JudgeUK

Originally posted by Mannish

Originally posted by JudgeUK

Aion 3.0 - The Empty Land, too late NC.

The game had fantastic potential, but now serves as lessons in how to lose player numbers.

Next time NC need to pass supervision of the western game to a third party, preferably one that has a significant expereience with the western playerbase.

If the consequences are that the western version becomes a noticeably different game than the Asian one, then so be it. 

The history of NC changes in this game shows that they just didn't understand the best way forward for the western market. It is too late to say that now the game is different from the launch version. Large players numbers have gone. A small number  will always float backwards and forwards, sme with any game.

But the opportunity for this to be more than a niche game in the west has long gone.

 

Will decline further with new game launches, especially GW2. NC's next offering Blade & Soul is round the corner. Hopefully they have learnt the lessons here, but only time will tell.

 

Aion is doing great and is the #2 Pay To Play MMO on the market. Of course it could have done better in the west but thats not its main market. Its main market is Asia and its doing fine there. Guild Wars 2, Blade & Soul, Wild Star, New Lineage game and Lineage 2 going FTP. What other mmo company out there is doing anything close to what NC Soft is doing? 

 

Precisely - it could have done better in the west. You are entirely correct with saying that the main market is Asia. My statements refer to the west, which I pointed out.

Aion has again shown that their is a difference between the Asian and Western playerbase, not better or worse just different. That's fine, if we where all the same life would be terribly boring.  But if game developers like NC wish to have more success over here, they need to fully westernise their games, maybe  with help from local game companies.

If not, their next "big thing" over here will once again see significant player loss and server closures once the initial - "ooh it's new lets' try it" phase has passed.

 

I dont think they will ever fully westernize there games or they will loose the Asian market and they are not going to take that chance. NC Soft needs more companys like Arena Net that will only focus on Western games. I dont know who is making Wild Star but its looks like the first NC Soft game thats being made from the ground up for Western Market. 

Originally posted by JudgeUK

PVP and PVE Players scream on forums because the game tried to accomodate both players types on the same servers. This just doesn't mix.

All that happens is the pve players want to play their game, only to get ganked over and over by pvp players. I played for a year from launch. I saw this everytime i was on.

Then the pve players complain so NC change the rules

Then the pvp players complain so the rules get changed again

and so on.......

Seven uk servers are now two and a half with population declining. No amount of cash shop fluff can disguise this decline. Will housing change the reasons why so many people left? Of course not.

The RNG is still a population killer - this simply doesn't go down well in the west. Never has done - these compamies need to learn this.

For Aion to truly grow in the west, I would say that they need to get rid of the rng, introduce pve servers wilth consensual pvp. Retain the fort battles, have some additional rvr battles for those who want it. And improve the western support.;

Verdict - 3.0 not going to save the western game. Major reasons for mass player exodus still there.

 

IMO, all this problems related to PvPers and PvErs only hapened because is a faction based game, wich i hate that part. AION could be like L2 where palyers define their enemys and make war.

I agree most of faction base games have pve servers, imo was better for AION remove the faction war and implement some system based on Legions war, this way a player without legion or in a peace Legion wasnt forced to engage in PvP.

About RNG i tottaly agree, it was this the reason i stop playing plus the cash shop (when they impement the 100% manastones).

But overall is still a great game  :)

Originally posted by Mannish

Originally posted by JudgeUK

I dont think they will ever fully westernize there games or they will loose the Asian market and they are not going to take that chance. NC Soft needs more companys like Arena Net that will only focus on Western games. I dont know who is making Wild Star but its looks like the first NC Soft game thats being made from the ground up for Western Market. 

It would be easy to make the game compatible to the western market. They'd need to allow PVE servers and nerf the RNG that rules the whole game currently. Both changes could be configurable, thus it would be the same for asians.

I guess it would also help if they'd fix all the exploits or at least find a second GM that helps the poor guy that has to solo all the servers right now.

Originally posted by Mellkor

Originally posted by Teala

This is what Aion should have been at launch. 

 

Fast forward today, And we have talk of seperating servers...

wait... what?

expand on this please?

this game its diyng badely and no new stuff could revive it again on west market, forget about it the population is less than FTP games outside

Originally posted by pedrostrik

this game its diyng badely and no new stuff could revive it again on west market, forget about it the population is less than FTP games outside

Say what? I find those comments very funny since they come from people who does not play the game! Sure, maybe you did played the game several months ago, when the same stupid comments were "active", like : "the game is dieing" , "ghost towns", etc ! But you know what? The game is doing far better then you think. Sure, it does not have the same population when Aion started, but is still very very active!

But hey, keep posting ! Having "haters" is a good think for a game you know? That means Aion is doing good :)

Originally posted by Teala

This is what Aion should have been at launch.   Now it is truly hitting epic awesomeness.   More games should add housing and seasons.   With the upcoming water expansions - this game will be one of the most epic games on the market.

 

Aion 3.0 Trailer - The Promised Land

Hi  Teala! =)

Wanna make babies?

Unfortuantely just a bit too late.

Off and on love affair with Aion since chinese beta but finally said godbye her in August when the last of the guys I started with left,  like any MMO you paper over the cracks for a sense of community,,  that community has long since gone so sadly has to Aion.

yeah afraid too little too late will be way too busy playing SWTOR sorry

Originally posted by Teala

This is what Aion should have been at launch.   Now it is truly hitting epic awesomeness.   More games should add housing and seasons.   With the upcoming water expansions - this game will be one of the most epic games on the market.

 

Aion 3.0 Trailer - The Promised Land

All I see is housing and some more zones... meh... 

I'm surprised to see you say this Teala, given your general disdain for anything themepark (which Aion very much is) or grindy (which Aion very much remains).