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Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by greed0104

Originally posted by templarga

Why should I be MADE to switch servers when the whole point of the character creation part was to reserve your names on the server I WANT to play. Kinda silly to me to allow us to do that only to EXPECT us to switch servers due to queues.

Jerry Springer's Final though: Don't Pre-Order MMOs.

Then I leave the game sitting for a few days for the company to get all of the launch days issue sorted out.

Ok , so everything you have complained about is now irrelevant because of this one sentence. What is the point in your head start if you plan on taking a break right at launch so they can get these issues sorted out? So basically you are complaining that the game has issues but you use the same method of taking a break at launch day (2 days from now) so they can sort out those very issues.

Originally posted by greed0104

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by greed0104

Originally posted by templarga

Why should I be MADE to switch servers when the whole point of the character creation part was to reserve your names on the server I WANT to play. Kinda silly to me to allow us to do that only to EXPECT us to switch servers due to queues.

Jerry Springer's Final though: Don't Pre-Order MMOs.

Then I leave the game sitting for a few days for the company to get all of the launch days issue sorted out.

Ok , so everything you have complained about is now irrelevant because of this one sentence. What is the point in your head start if you plan on taking a break right at launch so they can get these issues sorted out? So basically you are complaining that the game has issues but you use the same method of taking a break at launch day (2 days from now) so they can sort out those very issues.

Because these issues are expected on launch day, not during the head start.

Originally posted by templarga

Because these issues are expected on launch day, not during the head start.

That makes sense, considering the math question they set out for you, 400k people vs. 12 servers. I don't know, seems pretty hard. The funny thing is 400k people is the norm for a launch day, I pretty much seen 12 servers and knew this would not work out as intended for people. And you knew this before hand, so expecting the head start to go better then launch, is just silly.

Agreed. whatever.

On a side note who ever said they can get on their server on entry is lying, every server has a queue I just checked.

Look you can sugar coat this anyway you want to the point is, if I was in head start I wouldn't be bitching so their is obviously a problem and waiting 5-6hrs (assuming the client is even right, which it isn't) is ridiculous. When you shit it stinks and NCsoft just shitted a pile they can't deodorize. They had the numbers, there is no EXCUSE! ZERO!

Yustiel is a ghost town. Haven't queued yet.

Originally posted by greed0104

Originally posted by templarga

Because these issues are expected on launch day, not during the head start.

 

That makes sense, considering the math question they set out for you, 400k people vs. 12 servers. I don't know, seems pretty hard. The funny thing is 400k people is the norm for a launch day, I pretty much seen 12 servers and knew this would not work out as intended for people. And you knew this before hand, so expecting the head start to go better then launch, is just silly.

So if the math is so easy and simple, and little ole me, a non-programming, non-MMO developer, college professor in GA, should have foreseen the issue, then why didn't NCSoft?

Originally posted by Hashbrick

Agreed. whatever.

On a side note who ever said they can get on their server on entry is lying, every server has a queue I just checked.

Look you can sugar coat this anyway you want to the point is, if I was in head start I wouldn't be bitching so their is obviously a problem and waiting 5-6hrs (assuming the client is even right, which it isn't) is ridiculous. When you shit it stinks and NCsoft just shitted a pile they can't deodorize. They had the numbers, there is no EXCUSE! ZERO!

Nobody is sugercoating this, actually the people you disagree with are telling it like it is, you just don't like it, so what does that say, you are the one that wants it sugar coated?

Yes, ncsoft had the numbers, but so did you. And consdering they never said they was adding more server for head start, shouldn't you have come to your own conclusion? Because if this is what you came up with (playing the game before they got everything situated) it's a pretty bad one.

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by greed0104

Originally posted by templarga

Because these issues are expected on launch day, not during the head start.

 

That makes sense, considering the math question they set out for you, 400k people vs. 12 servers. I don't know, seems pretty hard. The funny thing is 400k people is the norm for a launch day, I pretty much seen 12 servers and knew this would not work out as intended for people. And you knew this before hand, so expecting the head start to go better then launch, is just silly.

So if the math is so easy and simple, and little ole me, a non-programming, non-MMO developer, college professor in GA, should have foreseen the issue, then why didn't NCSoft?

 

They did which is why the servers were balanced and had queues. Thanks for giving me a run down on your personal achievements, to bad none of those teach common sense.

Originally posted by greed0104

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by greed0104

Originally posted by templarga

Because these issues are expected on launch day, not during the head start.

 

That makes sense, considering the math question they set out for you, 400k people vs. 12 servers. I don't know, seems pretty hard. The funny thing is 400k people is the norm for a launch day, I pretty much seen 12 servers and knew this would not work out as intended for people. And you knew this before hand, so expecting the head start to go better then launch, is just silly.

So if the math is so easy and simple, and little ole me, a non-programming, non-MMO developer, college professor in GA, should have foreseen the issue, then why didn't NCSoft?

 

 

They did which is why the servers were balanced and had queues. Thanks for giving me a run down on your personal acheievments, to bad none of those teach common sense.

Then if they can't handle it, why do a head start program anyway?

Why even bother if it was going to result in queues?

Do they honestly think all of this will matter in weeks when server balance is the real problem? It isn't at launch, its later on when people start quitting.

It is not an issue of common sense when the company should have been prepared for it. Considering they had pre-order and open beta numbers, they knew what kind of server infrastructure they would need. That is what doesn't make sense to me.

Originally posted by Hashbrick

Agreed. whatever.

On a side note who ever said they can get on their server on entry is lying, every server has a queue I just checked.

Look you can sugar coat this anyway you want to the point is, if I was in head start I wouldn't be bitching so their is obviously a problem and waiting 5-6hrs (assuming the client is even right, which it isn't) is ridiculous. When you shit it stinks and NCsoft just shitted a pile they can't deodorize. They had the numbers, there is no EXCUSE! ZERO!

FYI I just logged in, created a new toon and am in-game right now. Server is Yustiel, it was the first server I tried.

Originally posted by templarga

Then if they can't handle it, why do a head start program anyway?

What MMO can handle thousands of people in one area at level 1 trying to level? Name one please, one that stayed stable.

Why even bother if it was going to result in queues?

Because people ARE getting a head start, you just drew a short straw but still have/had a chance to play.

Do they honestly think all of this will matter in weeks when server balance is the real problem? It isn't at launch, its later on when people start quitting.

I'm sure quite a few servers will retain a queue, it will help with balance, and they will continue to divide the race choices as well. 

It is not an issue of common sense when the company should have been prepared for it. Considering they had pre-order and open beta numbers, they knew what kind of server infrastructure they would need. That is what doesn't make sense to me.

Nope, doesn't make sense to me, you have  very selective reading there "professor" didn't I say in many threads it's their problem? You still miss my point, and will probably continue to do so. You knew there was 400,000 people waiting to get in to play this at head start, you knew there was only 12 servers. You still decided to purchase the game, I'm not supporting NCsoft at all, I'm calling you out on your ignorance. But what do I know? I'm just a construction worker with no superior title such as professor.

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Originally posted by Hashbrick

Agreed. whatever.
On a side note who ever said they can get on their server on entry is lying, every server has a queue I just checked.
Look you can sugar coat this anyway you want to the point is, if I was in head start I wouldn't be bitching so their is obviously a problem and waiting 5-6hrs (assuming the client is even right, which it isn't) is ridiculous. When you shit it stinks and NCsoft just shitted a pile they can't deodorize. They had the numbers, there is no EXCUSE! ZERO!

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FYI I just logged in, created a new toon and am in-game right now. Server is Yustiel, it was the first server I tried.

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Aye the 10min queue has been gone, it was the lowest queue but still a queue none the less. The point of pre-selection however was reserve your character on the server you wanted to be on. For those who went on a popular East coast server are now sitting 4-5hrs just to get in. The worst part is once they get in and they disconnect, guess what. yep queue of 4-5hrs. Enough to piss you off for the rest of the day if not tomorrow, specially if you made plans to play. I don't take off work for games but I there is a high percentage that do, so to those it's a stab in the back.

Originally posted by Hashbrick

 

 

Then wtf you doing here? Get out. You have no clue on the issue at hand from experience.
 

Watching the train wreck and counting the tears.  Make me. I have a lot of clues. Would you like to buy one? People experience this at every highly anticipated launch. It's usually the same people yelling about it every time too.

Serioulsy though you may as well calm down.

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Originally posted by greed0104

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Originally posted by templarga
Then if they can't handle it, why do a head start program anyway?
What MMO can handle thousands of people in one area at level 1 trying to level? Name one please, one that stayed stable.
Why even bother if it was going to result in queues?
Because people ARE getting a head start, you just drew a short straw but still have/had a chance to play.
Do they honestly think all of this will matter in weeks when server balance is the real problem? It isn't at launch, its later on when people start quitting.
I'm sure quite a few servers will retain a queue, it will help with balance, and they will continue to divide the race choices as well. 
It is not an issue of common sense when the company should have been prepared for it. Considering they had pre-order and open beta numbers, they knew what kind of server infrastructure they would need. That is what doesn't make sense to me.
Nope, doesn't make sense to me, you have  very selective reading there "professor" didn't I say in many threads it's their problem? You still miss my point, and will probably continue to do so. You knew there was 400,000 people waiting to get in to play this at head start, you knew there was only 12 servers. You still decided to purchase the game, I'm not supporting NCsoft at all, I'm calling you out on your ignorance. But what do I know? I'm just a construction worker with no superior title such as professor.

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I'd go along with your last piece there except for the fact you can't cancel your pre-orders once codes are sent out. Depending on when you purchased it you didn't have any clue to how many servers or how many people. The last minute you did, when canceling was immanent.

Originally posted by greed0104

Originally posted by templarga

Then if they can't handle it, why do a head start program anyway?

What MMO can handle thousands of people in one area at level 1 trying to level? Name one please, one that stayed stable.

Why even bother if it was going to result in queues?

Because people ARE getting a head start, you just drew a short straw but still have/had a chance to play.

Do they honestly think all of this will matter in weeks when server balance is the real problem? It isn't at launch, its later on when people start quitting.

I'm sure quite a few servers will retain a queue, it will help with balance, and they will continue to divide the race choices as well. 

It is not an issue of common sense when the company should have been prepared for it. Considering they had pre-order and open beta numbers, they knew what kind of server infrastructure they would need. That is what doesn't make sense to me.

Nope, doesn't make sense to me, you have  very selective reading there "professor" didn't I say in many threads it's their problem? You still miss my point, and will probably continue to do so. You knew there was 400,000 people waiting to get in to play this at head start, you knew there was only 12 servers. You still decided to purchase the game, I'm not supporting NCsoft at all, I'm calling you out on your ignorance. But what do I know? I'm just a construction worker with no superior title such as professor.

 

No I get your point and I understand what I you are saying. Your argument is I should know better. My argument is the company should know better.

I apologize for thinking a company that advertises its pre-order program and promises a "head start" would have the capability to handle it.

Originally posted by Hashbrick

 

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Originally posted by greed0104

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Originally posted by templarga
Then if they can't handle it, why do a head start program anyway?
What MMO can handle thousands of people in one area at level 1 trying to level? Name one please, one that stayed stable.
Why even bother if it was going to result in queues?
Because people ARE getting a head start, you just drew a short straw but still have/had a chance to play.
Do they honestly think all of this will matter in weeks when server balance is the real problem? It isn't at launch, its later on when people start quitting.
I'm sure quite a few servers will retain a queue, it will help with balance, and they will continue to divide the race choices as well. 
It is not an issue of common sense when the company should have been prepared for it. Considering they had pre-order and open beta numbers, they knew what kind of server infrastructure they would need. That is what doesn't make sense to me.
Nope, doesn't make sense to me, you have  very selective reading there "professor" didn't I say in many threads it's their problem? You still miss my point, and will probably continue to do so. You knew there was 400,000 people waiting to get in to play this at head start, you knew there was only 12 servers. You still decided to purchase the game, I'm not supporting NCsoft at all, I'm calling you out on your ignorance. But what do I know? I'm just a construction worker with no superior title such as professor.

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I'd go along with your last piece there except for the fact you can't cancel your pre-orders once codes are sent out. Depending on when you purchased it you didn't have any clue to how many servers or how many people. The last minute you did, when canceling was immanent.

So don't pre-order, we all gotta learn one way or another, I just can't trust the gaming industry anymore until I get to see the FINAL product for myself.

Originally posted by Hashbrick

 

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Originally posted by greed0104

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Originally posted by templarga
Then if they can't handle it, why do a head start program anyway?
What MMO can handle thousands of people in one area at level 1 trying to level? Name one please, one that stayed stable.
Why even bother if it was going to result in queues?
Because people ARE getting a head start, you just drew a short straw but still have/had a chance to play.
Do they honestly think all of this will matter in weeks when server balance is the real problem? It isn't at launch, its later on when people start quitting.
I'm sure quite a few servers will retain a queue, it will help with balance, and they will continue to divide the race choices as well. 
It is not an issue of common sense when the company should have been prepared for it. Considering they had pre-order and open beta numbers, they knew what kind of server infrastructure they would need. That is what doesn't make sense to me.
Nope, doesn't make sense to me, you have  very selective reading there "professor" didn't I say in many threads it's their problem? You still miss my point, and will probably continue to do so. You knew there was 400,000 people waiting to get in to play this at head start, you knew there was only 12 servers. You still decided to purchase the game, I'm not supporting NCsoft at all, I'm calling you out on your ignorance. But what do I know? I'm just a construction worker with no superior title such as professor.

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I'd go along with your last piece there except for the fact you can't cancel your pre-orders once codes are sent out. Depending on when you purchased it you didn't have any clue to how many servers or how many people. The last minute you did, when canceling was immanent.

Actually I pre-ordered in a store and still have to go pick up my copy. If I don't, I am out $5 and that is all. But you are correct. I pre-ordered months and months ago. How stupid of me to think a company that guarantees a pre-order could actually handle a head start!

EDIT: And sorry, but in my philosophy, if they can't handle the pre-order, they shouldn't offer one.

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Originally posted by zymurgeist

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Originally posted by Hashbrick

 
 
Then wtf you doing here? Get out. You have no clue on the issue at hand from experience.
 

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Watching the train wreck and counting the tears.  Make me. I have a lot of clues. Would you like to buy one? People experience this at every highly anticipated launch. It's usually the same people yelling about it every time too.
Serioulsy though you may as well calm down.

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It's not normal that's the problem, it shouldn't be standard. We shouldn't have to wipe NCsoft's ass when they screw up and say it's ok we'll just wait. They are a company with a product that they are selling. If I went and sold an application that the client couldn't access or had limited access to, I'd loose the contract. These companies need to start being held accountable, fined whatever it takes to stop this lazy bullshit. No other industry can get away with, why the hell should they.

Originally posted by templarga

No I get your point and I understand what I you are saying. Your argument is I should know better. My argument is the company should know better.

I apologize for thinking a company that advertises its pre-order program and promises a "head start" would have the capability to handle it.

See, you got the idea right, but you're getting me entirely wrong. I don't think you owe an apology to anybody, including NCsoft. I think complaining is getting nothing done. And the fact that you believe these companies is hilarious. I'm looking foward to ToR, BioWare is one hell of a company, but I'll be damned if I believe everything said until I see it for myself. Even though I'm looking foward to it, I won't pre-order and wont play it till I see some feedback or watch a friend try it out. Just how I work, I save myself money and a headache.

Originally posted by Hashbrick

 

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Originally posted by zymurgeist

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Originally posted by Hashbrick

 

 
 
Then wtf you doing here? Get out. You have no clue on the issue at hand from experience.
 

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Watching the train wreck and counting the tears.  Make me. I have a lot of clues. Would you like to buy one? People experience this at every highly anticipated launch. It's usually the same people yelling about it every time too.
Serioulsy though you may as well calm down.

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It's not normal that's the problem, it shouldn't be standard. We shouldn't have to wipe NCsoft's ass when they screw up and say it's ok we'll just wait. They are a company with a product that they are selling. If I went and sold an application that the client couldn't access or had limited access to, I'd loose the contract. These companies need to start being held accountable, fined whatever it takes to stop this lazy bullshit. No other industry can get away with, why the hell should they.

You obviously have no business background.  It's not their fault that their product is doing better than they expected.

Originally posted by Gigget

Originally posted by Hashbrick

 

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Originally posted by zymurgeist

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Originally posted by Hashbrick

 

 
 
Then wtf you doing here? Get out. You have no clue on the issue at hand from experience.
 

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Watching the train wreck and counting the tears.  Make me. I have a lot of clues. Would you like to buy one? People experience this at every highly anticipated launch. It's usually the same people yelling about it every time too.
Serioulsy though you may as well calm down.

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It's not normal that's the problem, it shouldn't be standard. We shouldn't have to wipe NCsoft's ass when they screw up and say it's ok we'll just wait. They are a company with a product that they are selling. If I went and sold an application that the client couldn't access or had limited access to, I'd loose the contract. These companies need to start being held accountable, fined whatever it takes to stop this lazy bullshit. No other industry can get away with, why the hell should they.

 

You obviously have no business background.  It's not their fault that their product is doing better than they expected.

Wrong....they KNEW how well it was doing and how many pre-orders they had. That is one excuse they cannot use.

Originally posted by Hashbrick

 

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Originally posted by zymurgeist

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Originally posted by Hashbrick

 

 
 
Then wtf you doing here? Get out. You have no clue on the issue at hand from experience.
 

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Watching the train wreck and counting the tears.  Make me. I have a lot of clues. Would you like to buy one? People experience this at every highly anticipated launch. It's usually the same people yelling about it every time too.
Serioulsy though you may as well calm down.

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It's not normal that's the problem, it shouldn't be standard. We shouldn't have to wipe NCsoft's ass when they screw up and say it's ok we'll just wait. They are a company with a product that they are selling. If I went and sold an application that the client couldn't access or had limited access to, I'd loose the contract. These companies need to start being held accountable, fined whatever it takes to stop this lazy bullshit. No other industry can get away with, why the hell should they.

The only way to hold them accountable is to not pay for a pig in a poke but wait until they have a  product ready to sell before buying it. If they can keep playing the same crowd for suckers every time they will. You're part of the problem and what you're doing now isn't part of the solution.

Gees... not that big of the deal....  Unless you have no life what so ever... there is something you can do while wait for a game for me perfect timing for me to do house work :D

If you are teenage, why don't you clean your room?  If your room is clean, why not help around the house? 

lol, i got in fine and played for 6 hours with no issues >.> guess i was lucky.

but guys you need to remember that there are 400k people trying to log in