Originally posted by elocke

I love this, see the Aion fanboi's come in and harp on me about only playing 10 levels. ROFLMAO!

When I played WoW 4 years ago, the first 10 levels blew me away. I remember falling off of Teldrasil when I went exploring and dying. Took me forever to figure out how to find my body. But it was fun.

First 10 levels of a game should grab you. No matter what. If they don't, ok, the next 10 better grab me. Guess what, they didn't. I just found Aion boring. Back to EQ2 for now until Champions Online.

not all will harp, some will tho, since you seem over critical about a game that you haven't experienced the main feature of it. its not flight some might be looking for it to be but its not, the biggest feature is the abyss and the pvp. and thats when ou see why the flight is the way it is, and at higher lvls you can fly decent amount of time, and you get buffs when in flight that if you had going 100% of teh time could be seen as OP.

for me the game reminded me alot of EQOA in its style for some reason, didn't remind me of wow cept the flying and as others said the controls are the same. tho there is one flight control it didn't have that wow has and thats the backflip thing you can do on your flying mount, tho most wow players don't know about it either, i found it by mistake. i had bound my ventrilo to the "insert" key and in wow if you're on a flying mount you do a back flip if you have the auto run button goin.

Originally posted by Tykero

Aion isn't particularly 'innovative' (I hate the way that word is thrown around) but it does what it wants to very well, which is what makes it a good game.

Wow isn't either. Few MMOs have been since EQ, TcoS is one, and Df (which have a lot of issues, but you can't take the innovativness from them).

But games must not be innovative to be popular, Diablo 2 sold better than the first game but was not the least innovative.

A game that is like no other game is a unique experience and if it is fun also it is a keeper. But fun game play is not something to look down on, fun is enough to keep any MMO running.

Still, I don't think I will play Aion myself, since other upcoming game seems more fun. I might give it a shot if it's a cold winter however.

There is a key macro to turn your wings on and off in game in case people think that jumping off a ledge is the only way to fly in game. Of course flying is limited to certain areas only.

Originally posted by elocke

I love this, see the Aion fanboi's come in and harp on me about only playing 10 levels. ROFLMAO!

When I played WoW 4 years ago, the first 10 levels blew me away. I remember falling off of Teldrasil when I went exploring and dying. Took me forever to figure out how to find my body. But it was fun.

First 10 levels of a game should grab you. No matter what. If they don't, ok, the next 10 better grab me. Guess what, they didn't. I just found Aion boring. Back to EQ2 for now until Champions Online.

and probably another reason they might harp is because your judging the game on lvls in wich you don't even have your class unlocked. idk if you played it then but eq2 was the same way. you played arch-types till 10 or 20? then the class branched out like aions classes do.i played it then but like you didn't find it very fun, but in aion the first 10 lvls go fast and you get your class rather quickly. i find the archtype thing annoying and no idea why its done in the first place. it must have been lvl 20 in eq2 i'm not possitive but it did take alot longer and eq2 was alot slower lvling back then, wich really sucked if you wantde to play a rogue and a ranger because they played the same exact way for 20 lvls.

I played Aion till level 20. Tried a mage, went to sorcerer. Tried a scout didn't get far. My point is this, which all of you love to assume incorrectly, that the game isn't horrible, I'm not "bashing" it, I'm just saying it isn't grabbing me at all with fun factor. I think the difference between this and WoW, is atmosphere, and sheer options. In WoW I can choose 6 different starting areas which have a great feel to each. In Aion, I get 2 choices.

Also, WoW was nowhere near my first MMO, just the first MMO where tons of people and friends in RL actually played. My first MMO was SWG. Followed by FFXI, then EQ2, then WoW, then LOTRO, back to EQ2. I played Aion hoping for a brand new world to explore, and all I got was something that reminded me of Guild Wars. The graphics and the closed off feeling of the world.

For those who say get to the pvp aspect, that's what the game is about, I think it's sad that I have to get to level 25 to do so. WAR starts me off at level 1. WoW starts me off at level 10 for the most part.

Anyway, my hats off to those who like it, enjoy it while it lasts, come see me when you want to talk about games with more depth and strategy and atmosphere. I'll be playing in STOR, STO, Champions, and FFXIV where that will hopefully be the case.

Originally posted by elocke

I played Aion till level 20. Tried a mage, went to sorcerer. Tried a scout didn't get far. My point is this, which all of you love to assume incorrectly, that the game isn't horrible, I'm not "bashing" it, I'm just saying it isn't grabbing me at all with fun factor. I think the difference between this and WoW, is atmosphere, and sheer options. In WoW I can choose 6 different starting areas which have a great feel to each. In Aion, I get 2 choices.

Also, WoW was nowhere near my first MMO, just the first MMO where tons of people and friends in RL actually played. My first MMO was SWG. Followed by FFXI, then EQ2, then WoW, then LOTRO, back to EQ2. I played Aion hoping for a brand new world to explore, and all I got was something that reminded me of Guild Wars. The graphics and the closed off feeling of the world.

For those who say get to the pvp aspect, that's what the game is about, I think it's sad that I have to get to level 25 to do so. WAR starts me off at level 1. WoW starts me off at level 10 for the most part.

Anyway, my hats off to those who like it, enjoy it while it lasts, come see me when you want to talk about games with more depth and strategy and atmosphere. I'll be playing in STOR, STO, Champions, and FFXIV where that will hopefully be the case.

 

Well said and for what its worth I agree 110% with everything you said.

Even in my comments that I have made, and been called all kinds of negative, WOW-related names for, I never bashed the game or insulted its players. I missed the fun factor too and I simply didn't have enough fun to want to get to level 25 where the "real" fun supposedly begins.

And I started MMO'ing with DAOC and EQ and have played every major MMO since so no I am not a WOW noob either. :)

Here is my opinion, the easiest way to compare Aion with wow flying is Druid's flight form (insta cast). For me Aion flight feels alot better though, you actually feel your character is flying not a turpedo, gliding adds alot to the feeling as well (especially if you turn while gliding). Aion flying system can be used in combat and you are able to fight as well, certain skills actually require you to fly.

Finally the flying stamina just makes it more interesting to me and makes it more exciting. Again these are all personal opinions.

Originally posted by elocke

I played Aion till level 20. Tried a mage, went to sorcerer. Tried a scout didn't get far. My point is this, which all of you love to assume incorrectly, that the game isn't horrible, I'm not "bashing" it, I'm just saying it isn't grabbing me at all with fun factor. I think the difference between this and WoW, is atmosphere, and sheer options. In WoW I can choose 6 different starting areas which have a great feel to each. In Aion, I get 2 choices.

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For those who say get to the pvp aspect, that's what the game is about, I think it's sad that I have to get to level 25 to do so. WAR starts me off at level 1. WoW starts me off at level 10 for the most part.

 

The difference between WAR , WoW and Aion is that for Aion the PvP is not arena or battleground based: It is open world with an element of suprise.  If you accept duels/arena play as PvP for Aion, those also start at level 1 although there are never rewards for it.  (Most interesting use of an arena I've seen to date: A nice, friendly game of soccer.)

From a storyline perspective, it wouldn't particularly make sense for the two starter areas to be open PvP.  Its also not a sound business model to have players get jumped while they're still learning how to move about the world.  The next ten levels are learning how to play your class.  The levels where open world PvP starts to become a possibility occur right after the ones where you are tasked with a number of things that require a fairly decently coordinated group and where, hopefully, you now know people you can call on for help.  (The classes also aren't especially balanced at the beginning of the game.)

The abysss doesn't open up until 25 but since its shared by all levels, whats the point of encouraging level 8 players to go in there and get one shot?  There's also a finite amount of room for PvE content there.

I understand what the OP is saying and I agree.

When I did WoW 1-10 for the first time it was simply amazing. I leveled dozens of characters before burning out on lowbie leveling and maxed my first one out.

Years later I can't stand WoW 1-10. I hate leveling. I hate the PvE.

Aion isn't much different from WoW. PvE is pretty similar and therefor equally loathsome.

Aion's PvP is suppose to be much better and is what is keeping me interested in Aion. The character skills and equipment were designed with PvP in mind and the Abyss is kind of like DAoC's frontiers.

Looking forward to the Abyss weekend.

I don't find flight cumbersome at all. I just hold the right button and steer in the desired direction while using the WASD keys. if you don't do this then yes I would agree, that would be cumbersome.

The flight in AIon is a pvp tool and not to travel.

and it flies exactly like in wow  rmd and wasd.

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Originally posted by Leucrotta
The flight in AIon is a pvp tool and not to travel.
and it flies exactly like in wow  rmd and wasd.

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After 4 years of WoW I think I would have felt the similarity. Sadly, it's not there. Maybe it's that whole having to hit the space bar twice that throws it off. Either way, the controls for flying in Aion, FOR ME, suck.

Originally posted by elocke

 

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Originally posted by Leucrotta
The flight in AIon is a pvp tool and not to travel.
and it flies exactly like in wow  rmd and wasd.

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After 4 years of WoW I think I would have felt the similarity. Sadly, it's not there. Maybe it's that whole having to hit the space bar twice that throws it off. Either way, the controls for flying in Aion, FOR ME, suck.

the double space bar only lets you glide not fly. and if you're flying and hit the space bar you glide.

Originally posted by elocke

 

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Originally posted by Leucrotta
The flight in AIon is a pvp tool and not to travel.
and it flies exactly like in wow  rmd and wasd.

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After 4 years of WoW I think I would have felt the similarity. Sadly, it's not there. Maybe it's that whole having to hit the space bar twice that throws it off. Either way, the controls for flying in Aion, FOR ME, suck.

It is excactly like WoW for flying,you are talking about gliding..not the samething.

I also played WoW for a long time and can tell you now that flying in both games are the same,you push a button to get your wings/mount(all can be changed in key binding's).you can then hold down the right mouse button and use you direction controls.If you cant see this then either you have not taken the time to change your controls or you are indeed talking about gliding and not flying,either way you are wrong about the flying controls not being the same.