Aion Forum » General Discussion » I had previously stated Aion would be my last mmorpg ever, I will need to go back on my word for one reason only, Forced PvP.

Originally posted by HongKongy

I'll personally take care of your journey in Aion. You'll get ganked wherever you are.

YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO XP I SWEAR

I don't want any WoW carebear in my game.

It is not PVP in itself that people shy away from its that most PVP games are overflowing with immature people such as yourself that i find themselves lacking in someway in the real world. I would guess that you get your lunch money taken from you  on a regular basis ganking a lower level toon is the only way you can strike back without getting your ass kicked.

I too play MMO's for PvE, I was once waiting for Aion just like you OP. However after doing research I found out around the first of the year that this game was more so focused on PvP thus my intrest went from Fanboy to dissapearing  from the aion forums. I lost all desire to even consider Aion. Even to this day all the PvP talk still turns me away.

If you just have 1 MMO left to play I would say put it into FFXIV. That personally is my last hope, Maybe not my last MMO but definatly my last hope.

Yes im gettng a sour taste in my mouth from Aion as well. I  was looking forward to it and have enjoyed the beta but im thinking i will pass and wait for SWTOR and/or STO.  Just some of the replies on this site and Aionsource show me the type of people who will populate the game world of Aion. Too bad as the game does a lot of things right but forced PVP isnt one of them. This game had the potential to be a real contender in NA and may still do well enough to stay afloat but the way it is, im afraid it will be just another MMO on a growing list of meh games.

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Yes im gettng a sour taste in my mouth from Aion as well. I  was looking forward to it and have enjoyed the beta but im thinking i will pass and wait for SWTOR and/or STO.  Just some of the replies on this site and Aionsource show me the type of people who will populate the game world of Aion. Too bad as the game does a lot of things right but forced PVP isnt one of them. This game had the potential to be a real contender in NA and may still do well enough to stay afloat but the way it is, im afraid it will be just another MMO on a growing list of meh games.

I understand anyone getting a sour taste in their mouth for any random game, but I never like the reason being the population.  I feel like in any game if you find a good guild of like minded players then the game becomes a platform for you and your friends to hang out and get some gaming in.  All MMO's have thousands of people and attract a wide array of players, and some can attract a target group more than others but generally you shouldn't let that be a reason for whether or not you are going to play a game.  Just an opinion and not trying to attack you or anything. 

Originally posted by ProfRed

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Yes im gettng a sour taste in my mouth from Aion as well. I  was looking forward to it and have enjoyed the beta but im thinking i will pass and wait for SWTOR and/or STO.  Just some of the replies on this site and Aionsource show me the type of people who will populate the game world of Aion. Too bad as the game does a lot of things right but forced PVP isnt one of them. This game had the potential to be a real contender in NA and may still do well enough to stay afloat but the way it is, im afraid it will be just another MMO on a growing list of meh games.

 

I understand anyone getting a sour taste in their mouth for any random game, but I never like the reason being the population.  I feel like in any game if you find a good guild of like minded players then the game becomes a platform for you and your friends to hang out and get some gaming in.  All MMO's have thousands of people and attract a wide array of players, and some can attract a target group more than others but generally you shouldn't let that be a reason for whether or not you are going to play a game.  Just an opinion and not trying to attack you or anything. 

Oh i agree all games have a diverse population but forced PVP isnt something im looking for. Most games you can ignore the idiots but when they can influence your game play its hard to ignore. As i said, its a shame really as i thought i would find Aion to be a game i could settle into for longer than a month or two but its set up for a type of gameplay im not interested in. I enjoyed the PVP in Warhammer but again it wasnt something i had to do it is elective.

Originally posted by thatwannabe

all i got from this was wah wah im a nub i suck i cant play good im a bad player so i dont even try to pvp anymore wah wah wah i suck plz give me free epix

you will feel right at home in the Aion world. too bad you and others like you will most likely be what kills this game.

How much did they pay you? Was it Blizzard?

Originally posted by huxflux2004

How much did they pay you? Was it Blizzard?

If you check my posts you will find that i have been very excited about Aion and told of what i have seen in beta and it was very positive. But the last couple of days ive been looking at what is being said about the PVP. And it is indeed forced and its not something i care to spend my time doing. If you like it then enjoy the game i will wait for something i like.  The attitide of PVP boys is another topic but its shows in the boards as well as in game.

Well, if you don't like it, and have a bad taste, that's fine; but don't spread FUD based on your experience of the beta, especially if you haven't played the WHOLE GAME.  As reported by many others, even in the abyss, there are areas where you can do PvE-only missions.  I think your problem might be that you aren't in a guild in-game.  It's a beta, after all.  Why would you be in one?  Wait till the game is out, and give it a try. 

As for the PvPvE part...were you living in a cave the past few years?  Were you just overcome by the graphics and flfying that you missed what the game hinges on(Elys vs Asmos)?  Next time, open your eyes and pay attention, which I thought you would have done, being a Grampagamer.

Well if you have listened to Liv or whatever the Aion spokeswomans name is it would incorporate both types of gameplay but from seeing what is  posted on the boards i realize that she is after all a salesman. And your correct im old enough that i should have realized that people will say whatever it takes to sell whatever. I should know better than to take people at their word i guess.

Thank you for your opinions everyone. I will keep an open mind and maybe try the game and see but im not much on pvp.

Originally posted by haggus71

Well, if you don't like it, and have a bad taste, that's fine; but don't spread FUD based on your experience of the beta, especially if you haven't played the WHOLE GAME.  As reported by many others, even in the abyss, there are areas where you can do PvE-only missions.  I think your problem might be that you aren't in a guild in-game.  It's a beta, after all.  Why would you be in one?  Wait till the game is out, and give it a try. 

As for the PvPvE part...were you living in a cave the past few years?  Were you just overcome by the graphics and flfying that you missed what the game hinges on(Elys vs Asmos)?  Next time, open your eyes and pay attention, which I thought you would have done, being a Grampagamer.

Why so much hostility? these people are discussing the game, they just didn't come in here and scream "Aion sucks!"

Perhaps learn some manners or are you the type of "a-hole" gamer people are gonna meet in this game?

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Originally posted by Kyleran
i recall your post 2 weeks ago, and I said it then, you seem too emotionally invested in MMO's so perhaps its better if you quit now.
You don't vow to people that you're going to play or not play a game, you just do or you don't.
All PVE games are really out of fashion atm, so it might be a while until the wheel swings around again and someone makes a pure PVE game.
 
 

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I have to agree with you, although it seems that people really do get attached to certain MMOs. I'm sure if you treat it just like any other game you'll have a better time.

I never got this whining about forced pvp...

First of all, I got killed rarely on my way to 40 on caion. Second thing, I could mostly escape and then continue to do my leveling/questing. Third, even when I got killed, I lost 1 minute to get back to my original spot and they were always gone by then. Fourth, in the patches that korea has there are already countermeasures to slow down rift-pvpers.

Howmuch of a sissy can you be to let this occasional pvp encounter stop you from playing a game that you actualy like. Afterall the update logs for the koreans show that they are working on raids, dungeons, crafting etc.

Meh I don't get howmuch of a softie you can be to let that effect you somuch...

PS: Carebear

I ve never really understood people who play for pve alone . It can be fun but its like playing half the game . I ve never seen the skill or the point to doing the same instances over and over again . If Aion offers more challenging gameplay so much the better . The reason i left Warcraft after 4 years was due to Blizzard making the game far too easy . Even the battleground pvp rewards were easy to obtain win or lose . This ended up with the Warcraft community becoming increasingly younger . I want a game that offers a little bit of challenge and part of the challenge in mmos is pitting yourself against other players in a world enviroment . I want to have to work at it to get to maximum level , i want epics type armor and weapons not to be ten a penny and i want more balanced pvp than warcraft offers . Above all i want to play a game run by a company the does nt sacrifice long term playability for short term gain . Let the kids have the virtual schoolyeard that Warcraft has become .

Originally posted by arthen999

I ve never really understood people who play for pve alone . It can be fun but its like playing half the game . I ve never seen the skill or the point to doing the same instances over and over again . If Aion offers more challenging gameplay so much the better . The reason i left Warcraft after 4 years was due to Blizzard making the game far too easy . Even the battleground pvp rewards were easy to obtain win or lose . This ended up with the Warcraft community becoming increasingly younger . I want a game that offers a little bit of challenge and part of the challenge in mmos is pitting yourself against other players in a world enviroment . I want to have to work at it to get to maximum level , i want epics type armor and weapons not to be ten a penny and i want more balanced pvp than warcraft offers . Above all i want to play a game run by a company the does nt sacrifice long term playability for short term gain . Let the kids have the virtual schoolyeard that Warcraft has become .

I can tell you why I dont like to PvP in an MMO. I love PvP, but in FPS.

1: in FPS everything is on a level playing feild. PvP is the exact oppisite in MMO's its all about who has the advantage via gear or OP'ed class/job skill. I guess thats why there is such a draw to mmo pvp because people need an advantage to enjoy it. 99.99999% of the time the only stratagy really needed  is who has the advantage via number.

2: you dont have all this crying around that such and such is OP in a fps. If a dude with a sniper rifle turns the corner at the same time a dude with a full auto assult rifle turns the corner, If the dude with the sniper rifle dies hes not going to go the forums and complain that his sniper rifle is single shot and he got blew away with an assult rifle, demanding to nerf the assult riffle or buff the sniper rifle. Or it could be the other way where the dude with the assault rifle gets sniped from the other end of the map, Your not going to see him complaining that the sniper rifle is OP. Thats its advantage. MMO's PvP severly lacks this logic.

Originally posted by toddze

Originally posted by arthen999

I ve never really understood people who play for pve alone . It can be fun but its like playing half the game . I ve never seen the skill or the point to doing the same instances over and over again . If Aion offers more challenging gameplay so much the better . The reason i left Warcraft after 4 years was due to Blizzard making the game far too easy . Even the battleground pvp rewards were easy to obtain win or lose . This ended up with the Warcraft community becoming increasingly younger . I want a game that offers a little bit of challenge and part of the challenge in mmos is pitting yourself against other players in a world enviroment . I want to have to work at it to get to maximum level , i want epics type armor and weapons not to be ten a penny and i want more balanced pvp than warcraft offers . Above all i want to play a game run by a company the does nt sacrifice long term playability for short term gain . Let the kids have the virtual schoolyeard that Warcraft has become .

 

I can tell you why I dont like to PvP in an MMO. I love PvP, but in FPS.

1: in FPS everything is on a level playing feild. PvP is the exact oppisite in MMO's its all about who has the advantage via gear or OP'ed class/job skill. I guess thats why there is such a draw to mmo pvp because people need an advantage to enjoy it. 99.99999% of the time the only stratagy really needed  is who has the advantage via number.

2: you dont have all this crying around that such and such is OP in a fps. If a dude with a sniper rifle turns the corner at the same time a dude with a full auto assult rifle turns the corner, If the dude with the sniper rifle dies hes not going to go the forums and complain that his sniper rifle is single shot and he got blew away with an assult rifle, demanding to nerf the assult riffle or buff the sniper rifle. Or it could be the other way where the dude with the assault rifle gets sniped from the other end of the map, Your not going to see him complaining that the sniper rifle is OP. Thats its advantage. MMO's PvP severly lacks this logic.

 

I agree with you. I really prefer games with no PVP simpyl because all the talk of OP and nerfing is based around PVP.

Think about it - in PVE, do people really whine and complain that one class is overpowered more than another? They don't really because everyone is trying to kill the boss and if, by chance, one class is OP, who cares....the boss died quicker.

Introduce PVP and all the sudden class balance is the MAIN and in some cases, ONLY focus of the developers. I still think one reason DAOC had so many issues is that they were too focused on class balance. I think it takes away from development and the creativity of the development team.

PVP is inherently impossible to balance and anyone who thinks differently is delusional. You cannot balance melee and ranged effectively. Is it balanced in real life? If you bring a knife to a fight and the other guy shoots you with a 50 cal sniper rifle from 1000 yards, will you complain that it was unbalanced and unfair when you get to the afterlife (if you believe in it)?

No, so for the same reason you cannot balance PVP at all.

If you wanted to balance it, the only way to do it is give every class access to every skill (maybe with different names like WAR did). That way when you balanced one skill it would effect every character.

Look at WOW. Every class now has some sort of crowd control/mez and some talent that breaks it or shortens it. That was the only way Blizzard could handle the issue. At least it isn't as bad as mez/crowd control in DAOC. That was a nightmare.

The problem in the MMO world is that every class wants to be more OP than the other classes and in every way possible. At least in a FPS, you are OP in the way you choose. If you take the sniper rifle, you better hope the guy with the shotgun doesn't get close. If you take the shotgun, you better keep your head down in the open field.

And as much as the PVP community want to whine about it, look at how many servers in WOW are PVE and how many are PVP. Look at the records EQ set back in the day with little to no PVP. The PVP community is loud and very vocal but a game doesn't need it to be a success. Personally, I think if a game came out and said NO PVP, it would be a success in many ways.

Aion is a PvP oriented game, so if you don't like PvP don't play. Are you people really this stupid, Ncsoft isn't going to change the game's whole core design to cater to some WoW PvE'rs.

Originally posted by supbro

Aion is a PvP oriented game, so if you don't like PvP don't play. Are you people really this stupid.

Nope, but if you would read the above posts, someone commented on that they do not understand why people would play a game with no PVP. Myself and the other poster were commenting to answer his statement.

Its called a discussion and usually it occurs when one person responds to something someone else is saying.

However, you prefer to troll and not read what people post so its best to respond with insults than actually read what is being debated.

EDIT: DID I or anyone else ask them too? No. DID I or anyone else say that we wouldn't play the game because it has PVP? No, but some are less likely too depending on how the PVP is done. Just for clarification, not all PVP is done the same way.

And not all PVE'ers are WOW players. Some of us started out in EQ and loved it. So WOW has little to do with it.

Originally posted by supbro

Aion is a PvP oriented game, so if you don't like PvP don't play. Are you people really this stupid, Ncsoft isn't going to change the game's whole core design to cater to some WoW PvE'rs.

Wow man that just plain intellegent, who would have thought, not to play Aion if you dont like PvP. Man I wish I would have though of that. You need to win the nobel prize for this.

I decided months ago to not play Aion once I found its strong focus on PvP. The question was raised as to why people do not like to pvP in MMO's so we answered them. 

BTW who said they wanted to change it to where Aion didnt have PvP? I sure didnt.

So just go enjoy your game where you grind for gear to be a "leet omgpwnge" pVper. boost your ego because you have to have an advantage to enjoy PvP.

Originally posted by toddze

Originally posted by supbro

Aion is a PvP oriented game, so if you don't like PvP don't play. Are you people really this stupid, Ncsoft isn't going to change the game's whole core design to cater to some WoW PvE'rs.

 

Wow man that just plain intellegent, who would have thought, not to play Aion if you dont like PvP. Man I wish I would have though of that. You need to win the nobel prize for this.

I decided months ago to not play Aion once I found its strong focus on PvP. The question was raised as to why people do not like to pvP in MMO's so we answered them. 

BTW who said they wanted to change it to where Aion didnt have PvP? I sure didnt.

So just go enjoy your game where you grind for gear to be a "leet omgpwnge" pVper. boost your ego because you have to have an advantage to enjoy PvP.

 

 

Don't be a tool.  Aion is PvPvE/RvR focused not just PvP for leet gear.  There is a very deep system there and it is very well done.  Many, many players who considered themselves avid PvE'ers and did not like PvP have had immense fun in the Abyss of Aion and love the experience.  There is meaningful combat in the world and meaningful objectives with the factions competing in numerous ways.  Don't stereotype all PvP'ers into leet kiddies.  There are thousands of us that just want more advanced AI than MMORPG's have and fighting other players is much more interesting than the 4-5 ai routines that all creatures in any given MMO recycle and reuse.

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Originally posted by toddze

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Originally posted by supbro

Aion is a PvP oriented game, so if you don't like PvP don't play. Are you people really this stupid, Ncsoft isn't going to change the game's whole core design to cater to some WoW PvE'rs.

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So just go enjoy your game where you grind for gear to be a "leet omgpwnge" pVper. boost your ego because you have to have an advantage to enjoy PvP.
 
 

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So just go enjoy your game where you grind for gear to be a "leet omgpwnge" raider. boost your ego because you have to have an advantage to enjoy PvE.

Complaints about class balance in MMO PvP is always aggravating I find. Very rarely do you get two players against each other in an environment where ones abilities would greatly overshadow the others. Really, the only game that puts class balance under such a microscope is WoW -- In more open PvP games it isn't as large of a deal because the good players will work around it. My favorite kind of PvP is when I'm up against a higher level target, or an "anti class" to my class. That means I get to use my skill to the best of my ability.

As far as FPS balance you guy's have to be kidding, people whine and bitch and moan in FPS's all the time. They bitch about guns being overpowered (I remember some people in one forums I frequent bitching about the MP40 or something in CoD5) and trust me, gun balance is a big deal. Hell you don't remember everyone bitching about the AWP in CS1.6/CS:S?

Finally balance in PvE and bitching about it happens a lot as well. People get pissed because someone gets a raid slot over them and all of the sudden they're blaming it on how that persons class is OP, they do too much DPS, how their own class has no utility... I can go on and on.

I think the message here is that everyone bitches and very rarely are they justified complaints.

Originally posted by ProfRed

 

Don't be a tool.  Aion is PvPvE/RvR focused not just PvP for leet gear.  There is a very deep system there and it is very well done.  Many, many players who considered themselves avid PvE'ers and did not like PvP have had immense fun in the Abyss of Aion and love the experience.  There is meaningful combat in the world and meaningful objectives with the factions competing in numerous ways.  Don't stereotype all PvP'ers into leet kiddies.  There are thousands of us that just want more advanced AI than MMORPG's have and fighting other players is much more interesting than the 4-5 ai routines that all creatures in any given MMO recycle and reuse.

I was refering to the person in my quote. I am very well aware that not all PvP'ers are the same. It seems he didnt even read our posts before making an ignorant and false response.

Now you are assuming I think Aions PvP is shallow, you are now as guilty as the other guy by not understanding where I was coming from, I never said anything of the sort. The "leet omg pwnage PvP'er" Will spend countless hours grinding for gear for their advantage to "teabag" the "newbs".

Originally posted by Forumfall

 

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So just go enjoy your game where you grind for gear to be a "leet omgpwnge" raider. boost your ego because you have to have an advantage to enjoy PvE.

If by advantage you mean getting gear to help your guild progress through the game, and helping guild mates get their gear to better the guild. Then I will most definatly go enjoy my future pvE games.

Edit: Oh by the way It does not boost my ego, what it does do is makes me feel like I am doing something constructive for a better cause, unlike greiving and ganking.