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  Greek_Matt

Novice Member

Joined: 1/26/07
Posts: 356

Relaxating.

5/06/08 4:28:43 AM#21
Originally posted by Farohar

Theres nothing really wrong with your arguments. My point though was a different one, namely that it is not a moral question at all weather a person uses swear-words (if not actually intending to hurt another person). It does become a moral question if marking certain words as "bad" will affect peoples social status. For example giving tardies to kids at school for using "bad" language (and consequently, after 3 tardies, expelling them from school). This will actually hurt the kid and therefore is immoral imho. Half the grown-ups in america use "bad" language at times - the president does. But kids get tardies at school if they do.

The other point is, and that is where I do disagree to an extend, that I dont think it is OK for a GM to monitor private chat and ban anyone just for the use of certain words. If you consider that I am coming from a country with a formerly communistic and controlling government you might guess why. I do agree though, even considering my first point, that it would be ok to ban people if swearing in public channels. Also, people are also saying stuff like "Its their rule.. its in the EULA!" So what? An EULA is a contract, and as any other contract can have points which are not binding (i.e. the paragraph against reverse engineering in many EULAs is not valid in several countries which have laws that explicitly allow reverse engineering).

And yes, absolutely, its my choice to play this game - or not. And I choose not to.


Sorry to burst your idealistic utopian bubble, but the fact is that every society judges its inhabitants and determines their social status at least to some extent based on their words and their actions. Get angry or indignant about it all you like, it's not going to change the way human beings interact with each other. Behaviour codes are enforced especially strictly amongst younger people (like swearing in schools) because it is widely believed (rightly or wrongly) that one kind of antisocial behaviour can lead to more serious forms, especially with young people who don't yet have a fully formed understanding of social consequences. Not learning lessons about behavioural propriety early on often can cause far bigger problems for the individual later in life... better to get a 'tardie' (whatever that is) now than get fired for abusing your coworkers later.

But moral questions aside, it is the legal privilege of any private arena to set and enforce rules of conduct on their `premises'. Whether it's a sports stadium, an exclusive restaurant or an online game, pretty much everywhere you go will have some explicit or implied contract of behaviour... dress code, code of conduct etc. So long as these rules don't discriminate against only one part of society, they are perfectly acceptable. Moreover, it's entirely your choice as to whether or not you want to enter these places, and hence be bound by their rules.

In this case Disney have chosen to enforce a language code. That is neither amoral nor sinister, it's merely a marketing decision they've made and one which players agree to by accepting the EULA. Nor is it likely to be found illegal in any country where this game is sold. I'm guessing it's a completely automated function with a list of keywords that trigger an alert, not (as you imagine) an army of shadowy masterminds fingering through private conversations searching for conspiracies or titillating gossip.

  Bealzagre

Novice Member

Joined: 9/16/07
Posts: 42

"Pity me, I am almost a human being."

5/06/08 4:57:55 AM#22

I do agree with Greek, other than foul language being "Anti-social", unless I misunderstood that part, though the way the young crowd uses it, it often can be such, I suppose, and hardly leads them to productive lines of actions...it is Disney's right to do this, and all, no matter how wrong it can be viewed as. I still dislike how Disney is being painted as some clean, moral source, though, as I've said, which is why I agree with Greek as much as I do. Really, this seems more about business than keeping things clean...unhappy parents leads to a loss in sales, after all. It still seems like something to frown upon, though.

  thorwood

Novice Member

Joined: 10/04/07
Posts: 485

5/06/08 6:02:24 AM#23

Hurray for Disney!  About time someone tried to make a MMO that was kid friendly.

Bad word filters are easy to circumvent.  WoW is a prime example.

Can you definitely be sure that you were still in private chat?  I have seen a lot of accidental  mistells to the wrong channel in MMO's.

  Feldron

Novice Member

Joined: 5/28/04
Posts: 339

5/06/08 11:47:02 AM#24

If you look at it from their point of view they got a rule, which is in place for a good reason, you knowingly broke the rule, because you thought it would not matter with your cousin.  They caught you breaking the rule and punished you.

They did the right thing, even though you dont not like it, you know you where breaking a rule even though you thought it would not matter.

Use one of the dozens of other programs to chat with your cousin, while playing, but dont go around breaking rules and exspect to not be punished went your caught.

 

  Farohar

Novice Member

Joined: 6/03/07
Posts: 5

"An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind." Mahadma Ghandi

5/06/08 1:48:37 PM#25

@ Greek_Matt

Sorry to burst your idealistic utopian bubble,

It is neither idealistic nor utopian ... so no need to be sorry. In many other countries swearing is widely accepted. Now I am german, and no one will look at me twice if I choose to use swear words in public as long as I am not targetting someone with those.

but the fact is that every society judges its inhabitants and determines their social status at least to some extent based on their words and their actions.

I never said society does not. I made a distinction between swearing and swearing AT someone. Merely using a swear-word to make clear that I dislike the current situation as opposed to hurting some person is a big difference. So basically I am saying that the intention of the words used matter, not the word itself. Steven Pinker distinguishes 5 different kinds of swearing (just check wikipedia) only one kind actually insulting others.

Get angry or indignant about it all you like, it's not going to change the way human beings interact with each other.

Please use proper arguments and stop telling me what to do or not to do, will you? Also, if you dont believe that the oppinion of a single person can change things, why do you post at all :P Appart from that, there are others with similar arguments, read that for an example: link

Behaviour codes are enforced especially strictly amongst younger people (like swearing in schools) because it is widely believed (rightly or wrongly) that one kind of antisocial behaviour can lead to more serious forms, especially with young people who don't yet have a fully formed understanding of social consequences. Not learning lessons about behavioural propriety early on often can cause far bigger problems for the individual later in life... better to get a 'tardie' (whatever that is) now than get fired for abusing your coworkers later.

Theoretically right, practically wrong - for the same reasons as stated above. What really should be made clear to kids is the stated distiction - do not use words (or fists) to hurt other people. Also your argument aint quite right as, again as stated before, that "that one kind of antisocial behaviour" is not seen as antisocial in many countries. Again here in germany, I never had problems when using swear words in school. Would maybe in kindergarden, dunno, but then again the reason WHY is seldom made clear to kids, mainly because grown ups (such as you I guess) dont know themselves.

It certainly is better to get a tardy for swearing and miss school in a society which will fire people for swearing at work, so in that respect your argument would be valid. Problem is you are generalizing. It is certainly worse to miss school for swearing if you wont loose your job if you swore. Which I believe wont be a problem for most employes in the U.S. (depends really, but still one cant generalize that one would loose ones job just for swearing). So practically your argument is absolutely right, it just does not apply to swearing, or not to all kinds of swearing anyway. Oh and a tardy is, uh well, do something bad you get a tardy, get three of em and you get a day off of school.

But moral questions aside, it is the legal privilege of any private arena to set and enforce rules of conduct on their `premises'. Whether it's a sports stadium, an exclusive restaurant or an online game, pretty much everywhere you go will have some explicit or implied contract of behaviour... dress code, code of conduct etc. So long as these rules don't discriminate against only one part of society, they are perfectly acceptable. Moreover, it's entirely your choice as to whether or not you want to enter these places, and hence be bound by their rules.

This is right in nowadays society. Nevertheless there is the question where to draw the line when talking about discrimination. I feel discriminated as non-christian if I am not allowed to use swearwords (not addressing other persons ofc). Now I am a minority and therefore it dont matter apparently. Its discriminating nevertheless. Not getting into a club because one is not wearing designer clothes is discriminating too.

In this case Disney have chosen to enforce a language code. That is neither amoral nor sinister, it's merely a marketing decision they've made and one which players agree to by accepting the EULA. Nor is it likely to be found illegal in any country where this game is sold. I'm guessing it's a completely automated function with a list of keywords that trigger an alert, not (as you imagine) an army of shadowy masterminds fingering through private conversations searching for conspiracies or titillating gossip.

The enforcement of language code itself aint amoral. Amoral is to listen in on private conversations and enforcing it even if all parties involved not having a problem with swear words. It might very well be illegal to censor peoples language in a private channel in a democratic country. There are laws prohibiting certain products showing violence and profanity to be sold to underaged. Those do not apply to single persons (ofc there are laws against perfoming violence against someone ...). There is no law against swearing, not even in the states as far as I know. So censoring in a private chat is actually violating my right of free speech.

  User Deleted
5/06/08 2:10:16 PM#26

Imagine this:

 

12 year old girl makes online friend with 12 year old boy.

 

12 year old girl starts talking to 12 year old boy in friend chat.

 

12 year old boy and 12 year old girl start having dirty little conversations.

 

12 year old girl agrees to meet up with 12 year old boy.

 

12 year old boy is really 40 year old pervert.

 

12 year old girl turns up in river, dead.

 

All because it would be improper to monitor private chat in a game marketed toward children.

 

I applaud Disney for this. OP, suck it up OR play a game NOT intended for children.

 

  zymurgeist

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Joined: 12/24/04
Posts: 5185

5/11/08 5:18:29 PM#27

Did you read the terms of service? You broke them. You got banned. end of story.

You're lucky. In my house it would have earned you some corporal punishment.

"Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  Haynsoul

Novice Member

Joined: 7/21/07
Posts: 21

7/17/08 2:03:44 PM#28
Originally posted by Zorvan

Imagine this:

 

12 year old girl makes online friend with 12 year old boy.

 

12 year old girl starts talking to 12 year old boy in friend chat.

 

12 year old boy and 12 year old girl start having dirty little conversations.

 

12 year old girl agrees to meet up with 12 year old boy.

 

12 year old boy is really 40 year old pervert.

 

12 year old girl turns up in river, dead.

 

All because it would be improper to monitor private chat in a game marketed toward children.

 

I applaud Disney for this. OP, suck it up OR play a game NOT intended for children.

 

 

That's really the parents fault for not teaching the girl any better AND for not checking her online activities. If she's subscribed to the game then even more so because they should know her account information (since they most likely paid for it).

 

I don't know why it's always the companies to blame when something bad happens to someone. It's not their fault the parents can't take care of their kids.

  User Deleted
12/25/08 12:21:26 AM#29

I always love how these discussions break down into "who's to blame" and "what rights do people have" and "how do other countries perceive cursing"...

While it's all very interesting discussion (I discuss it myself at times), it's ultimately irrelevant to the situation...

Disney is apparently strict about language in their game, prohibits it via their ToS, actively enforces it by monitoring the chat channels and penalizing those who violate it.

Dont' want to risk suspension... choose different words.

Their game. Their rules. Don't like it? Don't play.

It's really that simple.

Not trying to sound harsh or whatever.. I'm personally not offended by cursing; couldn't care less how others talk.

However, rules are rules.

 

  VincentZio

Novice Member

Joined: 9/17/09
Posts: 2

9/17/09 6:26:23 PM#30
Originally posted by dragon733

Private/Crew chat between me and my cousin! These instances were within the context of PRIVATE chat that no one but me and my cousin could see. I've never sworn outside of private chat, and I hardly talk to other people at all.

Here's the majority of the email they sent me:

"We are writing to inform you that inappropriate language has been found within a chat log attached to your account, shown below:

*a bunch of examples of me swearing to my cousin and no one else, in a 100% private chat area*

Due to the nature of the language, we have placed your account on a 72-hour hold. To regain access to your account after the 72 hours, please review and agree to our Terms of Use and House Rules here: http://disney.go.com/corporate/legal/terms.html."

 

Wtf... they penalize me for PERSONAL conversations? This is pure bullshit, even if it is Disney! Other than this, I barely talk to other people at all, let alone say anything bad! They shouldn't be locking my account for 3 days for shit that I've said in private situations, where the person doesn't mind and no one else sees it!

 

The funny thing is, they have some really retarded systems. I got the e-mail about 2 hours ago, but I'm still in-game! I assume that if I log out, the tempban will then be enacted. The idiots! When I'm going to leave, I'll just go AFK in a quiet area and leave the game open! I can play through the entire account lock, and laugh about it the entire time!

 

This is retarded, even for Disney.

 

Call them and cuss them out. Seriously. They have you call them if you get banned (At least I've read that somewhere).

 

I would make bomb threats.

  felinemagic

Novice Member

Joined: 5/24/07
Posts: 23

Between two evils, I always pick the one I never tried before...

1/26/10 1:54:42 PM#31
Originally posted by Haynsoul
Originally posted by Zorvan

Imagine this:

 

12 year old girl makes online friend with 12 year old boy.

 

12 year old girl starts talking to 12 year old boy in friend chat.

 

12 year old boy and 12 year old girl start having dirty little conversations.

 

12 year old girl agrees to meet up with 12 year old boy.

 

12 year old boy is really 40 year old pervert.

 

12 year old girl turns up in river, dead.

 

All because it would be improper to monitor private chat in a game marketed toward children.

 

I applaud Disney for this. OP, suck it up OR play a game NOT intended for children.

 

 

That's really the parents fault for not teaching the girl any better AND for not checking her online activities. If she's subscribed to the game then even more so because they should know her account information (since they most likely paid for it).

 

I don't know why it's always the companies to blame when something bad happens to someone. It's not their fault the parents can't take care of their kids.

 

This is not meant as a flame Haynsoul, so don't get your underwear in a wedgie.   I have to agree with Zorvan on this issue.  Perverts are good at what they do online, read the statistics for cripes sake.  

Myself as a single parent taught my Son all about the evils in life, however, I couldn't be everywhere all of the time.  I had to work and sleep (on my keys), ya know?  So, to blame it all on parents is just plain ridiculous. 

I too applaud Disney for their effort to keep a clean environment for all ages to enjoy.  

 

  Wizardry

Elite Member

Joined: 8/27/04
Posts: 6672

Perhaps tomorrow will be better.

1/26/10 2:04:16 PM#32

I will tell you why it is still bad to do inside the game.You need to think before you act,what if by mistake you did not click your private chat and it hit the main chat?This is VERY possible,i have done it a ton of times.

It is actually VERY good to see that they are doing a proper job of monitoring their game,this is something Blizzard and many others take a back seat to.

I once got was away from playing EQ2 for about a week,when i returned i had several pm's from RMT,well not about 20 minutes after i logged in,a GM started to talk to me.He told me to make sure i report any illegal messages like RMT trying to sell stuff.I was actually happy to see that they are right on top of the game,that is always a good thing.

 

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  Wildvixenn

Apprentice Member

Joined: 5/22/10
Posts: 23

5/23/10 4:46:57 AM#33
Originally posted by dragon733

Private/Crew chat between me and my cousin! These instances were within the context of PRIVATE chat that no one but me and my cousin could see. I've never sworn outside of private chat, and I hardly talk to other people at all.

Here's the majority of the email they sent me:

"We are writing to inform you that inappropriate language has been found within a chat log attached to your account, shown below:

*a bunch of examples of me swearing to my cousin and no one else, in a 100% private chat area*

Due to the nature of the language, we have placed your account on a 72-hour hold. To regain access to your account after the 72 hours, please review and agree to our Terms of Use and House Rules here: http://disney.go.com/corporate/legal/terms.html."

 

Wtf... they penalize me for PERSONAL conversations? This is pure bullshit, even if it is Disney! Other than this, I barely talk to other people at all, let alone say anything bad! They shouldn't be locking my account for 3 days for shit that I've said in private situations, where the person doesn't mind and no one else sees it!

 

The funny thing is, they have some really retarded systems. I got the e-mail about 2 hours ago, but I'm still in-game! I assume that if I log out, the tempban will then be enacted. The idiots! When I'm going to leave, I'll just go AFK in a quiet area and leave the game open! I can play through the entire account lock, and laugh about it the entire time!

 

This is retarded, even for Disney.

And disney also makes games and movies for childern.

This game is really heavy on the swearing kind of thing because there are very young childern who play this game as well. It is a disney game afterall. Look at it from thier perspective. They probably didn't even know you were talking to your cousin, and honestly What do you expect. I mean do you honestly think disney wants people in their game swearing in chat to other people publicly or privatly while there are kids playing as well? Use your head next time. Seriously

  narakuu

Novice Member

Joined: 5/25/04
Posts: 353

5/23/10 5:08:12 AM#34

Oh no he used words... "bad" words... how about we stop acting like dramaqueens and stop denying the only reason they have any higher effect then any other words is because we by ourselves psychologically look at those words differently when they simply describe something or express something just like any other word, they arent going to physically hurt children... and if you dont want your children to hear certain words, why dont you lock them up in a room with a tv and slide food in through a hole since you apparently dont want to be a parent.

stop making your offsprings into other peoples responsibility. I dont like parents who blame the problems on everything else and think that the rest of the world should cater to their kids, no its not harder to raise a kid in todays society, todays society is just lazier and whine louder when they dont get what they want.

In summary, I dont think he should have been banned and it doesnt matter if it was private or not, learn to use ignore if you dont like what someone is saying and if your kids see a bad word maybe you should try explaining it and have your kid understand the meaning of it and why its not used in public and etc, but thats up to you since its not my place to tell you how to raise your kid but stop making your kid(s) everyone elses problem. Thank you.

p.s: I like kids (no not that creepy way)

  Wildvixenn

Apprentice Member

Joined: 5/22/10
Posts: 23

5/23/10 5:14:56 AM#35
Originally posted by narakuu

Oh no he used words... "bad" words... how about we stop acting like dramaqueens and stop denying the only reason they have any higher effect then any other words is because we by ourselves psychologically look at those words differently when they simply describe something or express something just like any other word, they arent going to physically hurt children... and if you dont want your children to hear certain words, why dont you lock them up in a room with a tv and slide food in through a hole since you apparently dont want to be a parent.

stop making your offsprings into other peoples responsibility. I dont like parents who blame the problems on everything else and think that the rest of the world should cater to their kids, no its not harder to raise a kid in todays society, todays society is just lazier and whine louder when they dont get what they want.

In summary, I dont think he should have been banned and it doesnt matter if it was private or not, learn to use ignore if you dont like what someone is saying and if your kids see a bad word maybe you should try explaining it and have your kid understand the meaning of it and why its not used in public and etc, but thats up to you since its not my place to tell you how to raise your kid but stop making your kid(s) everyone elses problem. Thank you.

p.s: I like kids (no not that creepy way)

That must be a pretty easy thing to say about perants out there when your still living at home with your perants yourself.

You know A wise old man once said ignorance is out there more then ever, and even more so in this point and time, especially so in our young generation. Meaning me and you, because we are both in our 20's. The man who said that was Lewis Black.

It's Pretty obvious to me by reading what you posted you don't have childern of your own. Let alone work 2 jobs 6 days a week. And if you ever do. Maybe you'll realize that bringing up childern in this day and age isn't as easy as typing out a few statments backed up with no proof or a common thought to what it might be like for a mother to raise 2 kids of her own with no help from the father or her family and is stuck working 2 jobs just so she can put food on the table and at the same time try to keep her kids from watching all the Violence and Sex on T.V, Media, Magazines, and the internet all in hopes to raise 2 kids well with good morals, and values. 

This really Goes to show your complete and utter ignorance to somthing you have no idea about. Do some research before forming an opinion on such things about other people, or better yet actually put yourself into other peoples shoes, and get socialized. Because in the real world. The world isn't black and white.

It must be that "All about me" generation that Lewis Black was talking about that you apperantly live in hmm? Maybe one day when you actually meet a girl thats descent, and have kids you will just see how hard it is to raise kids "in this day and age."

 

**I'm sorry for getting off topic everyone. I just hate ignorant people who have no idea what they are talking about.**

  narakuu

Novice Member

Joined: 5/25/04
Posts: 353

5/23/10 12:34:41 PM#36
Originally posted by Wildvixenn
Originally posted by narakuu

Oh no he used words... "bad" words... how about we stop acting like dramaqueens and stop denying the only reason they have any higher effect then any other words is because we by ourselves psychologically look at those words differently when they simply describe something or express something just like any other word, they arent going to physically hurt children... and if you dont want your children to hear certain words, why dont you lock them up in a room with a tv and slide food in through a hole since you apparently dont want to be a parent.

stop making your offsprings into other peoples responsibility. I dont like parents who blame the problems on everything else and think that the rest of the world should cater to their kids, no its not harder to raise a kid in todays society, todays society is just lazier and whine louder when they dont get what they want.

In summary, I dont think he should have been banned and it doesnt matter if it was private or not, learn to use ignore if you dont like what someone is saying and if your kids see a bad word maybe you should try explaining it and have your kid understand the meaning of it and why its not used in public and etc, but thats up to you since its not my place to tell you how to raise your kid but stop making your kid(s) everyone elses problem. Thank you.

p.s: I like kids (no not that creepy way)

That must be a pretty easy thing to say about perants out there when your still living at home with your perants yourself.

You know A wise old man once said ignorance is out there more then ever, and even more so in this point and time, especially so in our young generation. Meaning me and you, because we are both in our 20's. The man who said that was Lewis Black.

It's Pretty obvious to me by reading what you posted you don't have childern of your own. Let alone work 2 jobs 6 days a week. And if you ever do. Maybe you'll realize that bringing up childern in this day and age isn't as easy as typing out a few statments backed up with no proof or a common thought to what it might be like for a mother to raise 2 kids of her own with no help from the father or her family and is stuck working 2 jobs just so she can put food on the table and at the same time try to keep her kids from watching all the Violence and Sex on T.V, Media, Magazines, and the internet all in hopes to raise 2 kids well with good morals, and values. 

This really Goes to show your complete and utter ignorance to somthing you have no idea about. Do some research before forming an opinion on such things about other people, or better yet actually put yourself into other peoples shoes, and get socialized. Because in the real world. The world isn't black and white.

It must be that "All about me" generation that Lewis Black was talking about that you apperantly live in hmm? Maybe one day when you actually meet a girl thats descent, and have kids you will just see how hard it is to raise kids "in this day and age."

 

**I'm sorry for getting off topic everyone. I just hate ignorant people who have no idea what they are talking about.**

Who is ignorant here?

Stop pretending like everyone is living life like a sad drama movie, does every family only have a mom and no dad? why is it a single mom who has problem and not a single dad? you're already being ignorant by basically rambling up the plots of bad tragedy movies. Why did this person get kids in the first place if she/he didnt have the means to support them? Stupidity? Is that somehow my fault and now the rest of the society has to suffer and adopt to their needs because they made bad decisions? You're not coming off as kind and loving if thats what you think and even less as intelligent, you just think people should do whatever they want to do when it comes to kids and everyone else should then change according to their whim to make it easier for them.

Yes I dont have kids because I know what a big step in life that is, how much effort and time it requires to be a good parent and I'm neither economically or mentally ready for that kind of a step in my life... and I acknowledge that instead of going out and getting kids to make myself feel better and then when reality hits I start trying to make my life easier by making life worse for the people around me who dont have kids.

You might think this is off-topic but the reason I'm arguing this point is because the reason disney has to have such strict rules in place about language in the first place is for this same reason.

Oh and as for the last bit, how hard it is to have kids in this day and age? Just stop it, things are easier then before unless you live in specific parts of the world and self pity isnt going to garner any sympathy whatsoever.

  joere444

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/05/10
Posts: 1

In Every Life a Little Rain Must Fall -Robert Plant of Led Zeppelin The Rain Song

9/05/10 11:24:49 AM#37
Originally posted by narakuu
Originally posted by Wildvixenn
Originally posted by narakuu

Oh no he used words... "bad" words... how about we stop acting like dramaqueens and stop denying the only reason they have any higher effect then any other words is because we by ourselves psychologically look at those words differently when they simply describe something or express something just like any other word, they arent going to physically hurt children... and if you dont want your children to hear certain words, why dont you lock them up in a room with a tv and slide food in through a hole since you apparently dont want to be a parent.

stop making your offsprings into other peoples responsibility. I dont like parents who blame the problems on everything else and think that the rest of the world should cater to their kids, no its not harder to raise a kid in todays society, todays society is just lazier and whine louder when they dont get what they want.

In summary, I dont think he should have been banned and it doesnt matter if it was private or not, learn to use ignore if you dont like what someone is saying and if your kids see a bad word maybe you should try explaining it and have your kid understand the meaning of it and why its not used in public and etc, but thats up to you since its not my place to tell you how to raise your kid but stop making your kid(s) everyone elses problem. Thank you.

p.s: I like kids (no not that creepy way)

That must be a pretty easy thing to say about perants out there when your still living at home with your perants yourself.

You know A wise old man once said ignorance is out there more then ever, and even more so in this point and time, especially so in our young generation. Meaning me and you, because we are both in our 20's. The man who said that was Lewis Black.

It's Pretty obvious to me by reading what you posted you don't have childern of your own. Let alone work 2 jobs 6 days a week. And if you ever do. Maybe you'll realize that bringing up childern in this day and age isn't as easy as typing out a few statments backed up with no proof or a common thought to what it might be like for a mother to raise 2 kids of her own with no help from the father or her family and is stuck working 2 jobs just so she can put food on the table and at the same time try to keep her kids from watching all the Violence and Sex on T.V, Media, Magazines, and the internet all in hopes to raise 2 kids well with good morals, and values. 

This really Goes to show your complete and utter ignorance to somthing you have no idea about. Do some research before forming an opinion on such things about other people, or better yet actually put yourself into other peoples shoes, and get socialized. Because in the real world. The world isn't black and white.

It must be that "All about me" generation that Lewis Black was talking about that you apperantly live in hmm? Maybe one day when you actually meet a girl thats descent, and have kids you will just see how hard it is to raise kids "in this day and age."

 

**I'm sorry for getting off topic everyone. I just hate ignorant people who have no idea what they are talking about.**

Who is ignorant here?

Stop pretending like everyone is living life like a sad drama movie, does every family only have a mom and no dad? why is it a single mom who has problem and not a single dad? you're already being ignorant by basically rambling up the plots of bad tragedy movies. Why did this person get kids in the first place if she/he didnt have the means to support them? Stupidity? Is that somehow my fault and now the rest of the society has to suffer and adopt to their needs because they made bad decisions? You're not coming off as kind and loving if thats what you think and even less as intelligent, you just think people should do whatever they want to do when it comes to kids and everyone else should then change according to their whim to make it easier for them.

Yes I dont have kids because I know what a big step in life that is, how much effort and time it requires to be a good parent and I'm neither economically or mentally ready for that kind of a step in my life... and I acknowledge that instead of going out and getting kids to make myself feel better and then when reality hits I start trying to make my life easier by making life worse for the people around me who dont have kids.

You might think this is off-topic but the reason I'm arguing this point is because the reason disney has to have such strict rules in place about language in the first place is for this same reason.

Oh and as for the last bit, how hard it is to have kids in this day and age? Just stop it, things are easier then before unless you live in specific parts of the world and self pity isnt going to garner any sympathy whatsoever.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   Honestly you're bringing something into this that is obviouse that he wasn't thinking about. I kind of take offense to your statement about the youth of America, not every kid is a dumbass. I do believe ignorance is everpresent, but for you to say that kids now a days are full of ignorance and don't have any hope just shows that history might as well repeat itself. Remember the 60's and 70's? Everyone said the hippies were gonna all die, everyone said the Rockers were immoral, but funny thing about that is they were being kids and they were kids far ahead of their time. Honestly these kids now only have themselves to blame, but what have the parents done for them? And the thing about a single mother raising her kids, well you don't want your boys growing up with the mind of a girl so the sooner they learn the downsides about sex, drugs, and violence the better off they are. If you don't teach them early on they wind up being prude little pussy punk bitches thats just the way I see it.

 

 

 

 

 

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  nobottters

Novice Member

Joined: 11/06/10
Posts: 102

11/22/10 12:56:21 PM#38

Is there a chat filter in game? If so, the ban is ludicrous

 

As for others opinions, as a game moderator for many games, and experience in running high traffic websites and chat

sites for 10+ years, its not the adult language being the problem

 

The 9 year olds in these games and their language is what is shocking. They are protecting nothing with sort of automated ban system, and if they can monitor the chat and ban, they can filter the chat and run a filter and remove it... Which would be the more appropriate path and company stance.

This sounds phony to me though, sounds like someone is trying to get your account info???

Regards,
Nobotters - A better gaming experience

  Renoaku

Hard Core Member

Joined: 2/10/07
Posts: 956

11/22/10 1:19:04 PM#39
Well my guess is that they put in a patch Client Side, or Server side, so that it flags swear words sent through the server. When it is done in any chat including private chat, or anything gets flagged, a GM Reads it. I am glad that they are watching everyone since this is a game for Minors though, and if you want to swear at your brother, or someone else, then get an external application, such as skype, yahoo,msn,etc, which they do not control. Also when it comes down to it they only suspended your account for 3 days, and asked you to read the rules again, and I would say that you got off lucky with this.
 
Personally I wont play a game like this though, because there are much better games anyways.
  WhiteLantern

Novice Member

Joined: 1/27/10
Posts: 2778

11/22/10 1:24:04 PM#40

Ummm, no offense guys, but the OP was 2 years ago.

edit: almost 3 actually

I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

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