RPG takes more skill than FPS....i will never play an mmo if its fps...

Gelasius

not a fan of the FPS style in an MMO.........

I would like to see it be similar to SWG when it released. Let cover and obstacles still be used tactically but keep it 3rd person with tabbed target.

FPS is for kiddies!! Um. right, rofl. Ever heard of guy named "Fatality"? He has won a dozen world FPS tournaments and has made lots of money doing it as have other FPS players because its more of a sport that DOES REQUIRE SKILL!! To suggest FPS is for kiddies seems blatantly ignorant. Fatality was even in Time magazine and no he is not a kid. Point and Click is actually a hand held feature that requires zero skill and is ultilmately based on gear and lucky critcial hits. However, i don't play MMORPG's because they are challenging. I play them for the immersiveness the same way I would approach reading a book or watching a movie. But if a FPS combat with MMORPG elements was developed and done well I would be one happy gamer.  You get the best of both worlds -- immersiveness and fun, action packed, SKILL based competition.

Originally posted by adantesuds
I think a Gears Of War type approach, but with still a kind of point and click.
For example, you'd take cover, aim for a body part of the enemy (so if you only want to disable the enemy you shoot for limbs, etc) and the hit rate is calculated, to say you would have a higher chance to miss if you aimed for the head and such, but it would be instant kill/higher damage, depending what the enemy is. A New X360 game called Crackdown uses a held accuracy system for targetting such as this, where as if you aim for longer the better accuracy you get.
A point and click that had elements of aiming via holding your aim to get more accuracy and Gears of War-like cover system would be ideal. It would still be a point and click but it would be a welcome change.
I see it as a welcome change because of the opinions I have read on this thread. People want FPS, people want good old fashioned RPG with a twist. I say we have a middleground - Usual point and click targetting, held accuracy system, and cover usage advantages.

I agree that some kind of compromise should be made, and would work well.

  As for whoever said,adults do not like FPS... no. and I think if you read this thread you would see that your statment of "most adults dont like FPS" has already been smashed to bits.

  And once again(since you didnt read the thread)  RPG dosent mean point and click.  RPG means Role Playing Game.  Where you Play the ROLE of a charatcer in a Fictional world.  Has nothing to do with how you move and or how you attack.

  Take Oblivion for example great RPG, that uses FPS style movement and combat.  And they did it well. Then you got WoW MMO that was a RPG and used point and click combat, was ok for a little while.  Then theirs Planetside MMO that was not a RPG (cuz you dont really roleplay you just kill)and used FPS and it was fun too,still is at times.  Its all in how they make the game, if they do it well it wont matter if it is FPS or not, but if it is a shooting game(witch it is) I want to aim where I shoot.

  Like MXO, MMORPG with point and click combat. I could not play this for long because it wasnt fun,interesting sure(animations), but fun no.  The combat just got boreing because it was all done for you.  Like the Gran Prix track at Magic Kingdom, it was cool cuz you are speeding arround the track but you cant even steer(you are on a guided rail), so it not something you are gonna really enjoy more than a few times.

I think thats the best it can be explained.

I think the failure of other MMOs with FPS will probably discourage it........

Look at Risk your life. It was FPS combat and it just didnt catch on.  Planteside has shared the same fate as it has never attracted more than a niche crowd. Look at what happened to SWG when they incorporated FPS aiming into the combat system people hated it. I really dont see a successful trend to base the decision off of at this point.

Maybe if AOC manages to implement the style successfully we may see other MMOs follow suit. If not I think you will see the standard tabbed target lock on and autofire systems we have seen in the more successful MMOs.

Originally posted by starman999

I think the failure of other MMOs with FPS will probably discourage it........

 

Look at Risk your life. It was FPS combat and it just didnt catch on.  Planteside has shared the same fate as it has never attracted more than a niche crowd. Look at what happened to SWG when they incorporated FPS aiming into the combat system people hated it. I really dont see a successful trend to base the decision off of at this point.

Maybe if AOC manages to implement the style successfully we may see other MMOs follow suit. If not I think you will see the standard tabbed target lock on and autofire systems we have seen in the more successful MMOs.

  RYL, was not FPS that I remember.  You had to target and spam skills.(could be wrong been awhile)  dosent change the fact that the rest of the game was complete crap...And a scam.(win a million dollars)

  Planetside was fun tho, and if you log in now you can still have that same fun... not like you can run out of stuff to do. because the PVP aspect of FPS is fun.  (and stargate could have that kind of replayability too, in areas, and areas for story and quests as well.)

SWG, is not relevant here.  That was a complete game that folks got used to and they snatch the rug from under their feet and expected them to be happy about landing on their a$$...

  FPSRPG would be like oblivion/morrowind online... you saying oblivion/morrowind sucked?  Didnt think so.  So now imagine a oblivion MOD that turned it into stargate, and thats how a FPSMMORPG should be.   And yeah I know they cant make stargate quite as good as oblivion looks and all(for online) , but this is just an example so you can see what it should be like.(while playing, tons of stuff to do and  still FPS)

  And I pray to god, that AoC does it well and is fun.  Cuz all the rest I have tested, sad to say, they suck...(all were just Like... WoW x10=10 times more of a waste of time)  Hoping on something different too in Pirates of the Burning Sea... but again we'll see.

Originally posted by shane910

  As for whoever said,adults do not like FPS... no. and I think if you read this thread you would see that your statment of "most adults dont like FPS" has already been smashed to bits.

 

Originally posted by shane910

Originally posted by starman999

I think the failure of other MMOs with FPS will probably discourage it........

 

Look at Risk your life. It was FPS combat and it just didnt catch on.  Planteside has shared the same fate as it has never attracted more than a niche crowd. Look at what happened to SWG when they incorporated FPS aiming into the combat system people hated it. I really dont see a successful trend to base the decision off of at this point.

Maybe if AOC manages to implement the style successfully we may see other MMOs follow suit. If not I think you will see the standard tabbed target lock on and autofire systems we have seen in the more successful MMOs.

  RYL, was not FPS that I remember.  You had to target and spam skills.(could be wrong been awhile)  dosent change the fact that the rest of the game was complete crap...And a scam.(win a million dollars)

  Planetside was fun tho, and if you log in now you can still have that same fun... not like you can run out of stuff to do. because the PVP aspect of FPS is fun.  (and stargate could have that kind of replayability too, in areas, and areas for story and quests as well.)

SWG, is not relevant here.  That was a complete game that folks got used to and they snatch the rug from under their feet and expected them to be happy about landing on their a$$...

  FPSRPG would be like oblivion/morrowind online... you saying oblivion/morrowind sucked?  Didnt think so.  So now imagine a oblivion MOD that turned it into stargate, and thats how a FPSMMORPG should be.   And yeah I know they cant make stargate quite as good as oblivion looks and all(for online) , but this is just an example so you can see what it should be like.(while playing, tons of stuff to do and  still FPS)

 

  And I pray to god, that AoC does it well and is fun.  Cuz all the rest I have tested, sad to say, they suck...(all were just Like... WoW x10=10 times more of a waste of time)  Hoping on something different too in Pirates of the Burning Sea... but again we'll see.

Originally posted by Justjack


Um.  No.  I think this proves that children don't bother to read and a couple of you who don't read so well missed where I said "by and large" most adults don't like playing FPS's.  Research bears this out.  The VAST majority of people who purchase FPS's are kids.  The majority of people who purchase RPG's are adults.  I also love how some guy tried to say because you can make money playing shooters that it wasn't largely a kiddie genre--kids have been playing games for money since the days of NES.  Kids all over the world get paid for delivering newspapers--guess that doesn't make a delivery route a kiddie thing?

You obviously miss the point but I'm not surprised!! Professional FPS players are adults who make a living at what they do just like a professional football, baseball, hockey, etc. players do. They can make a living playing their sports because they are very SKILLED at what they do unlike pont, click, and wack mob which require zero skill. So tell me, how much money do people make living in their parent's basement playing WoW or EQ or something 24/7 and I"m not talking about the gold farmers!   Assuming you mean adult = mature then because there are more adults playing RPG"s does that make it really adult when most of them are the people we refer to as kiddies in every MMORPG . Since the majority of MMORPG's players act like kiddies and most adults play MMORPG's, then most of those kiddies are actually adults. Adult age has nothing to do with maturity obviously because every time we say "this MMORPG is full of damn kiddies" those people we refer to as kiddies are actually adults acting immature so now how does that make your precious MMORPG game so adult(mature)? And yes kids play FPS just like they play MMORPGs. But what 7 year old or older can't get max level in any MMORPG?  We should take MMORPGs for what they are which is all about "RPG" --story, lore, adventure, exploration, character, and hopefully a mature community regardless of age--. People who get ego boosts from playing a MMORPG must really have rock bottom self esteem and zero real life confidence.  And in the future how about making better analogies when explaining your position. Your logic is this -- because there are more kids playing football than there are pro football players, pro football must be a kiddie sport. Think about that and get back to me when you learn to analyze. 

Originally posted by sitheus

Originally posted by Justjack


Um.  No.  I think this proves that children don't bother to read and a couple of you who don't read so well missed where I said "by and large" most adults don't like playing FPS's.  Research bears this out.  The VAST majority of people who purchase FPS's are kids.  The majority of people who purchase RPG's are adults.  I also love how some guy tried to say because you can make money playing shooters that it wasn't largely a kiddie genre--kids have been playing games for money since the days of NES.  Kids all over the world get paid for delivering newspapers--guess that doesn't make a delivery route a kiddie thing?

You obviously miss the point but I'm not surprised!! Professional FPS players are adults who make a living at what they do just like a professional football, baseball, hockey, etc. players do. They can make a living playing their sports because they are very SKILLED at what they do unlike pont, click, and wack mob which require zero skill. So tell me, how much money do people make living in their parent's basement playing WoW or EQ or something 24/7 and I"m not talking about the gold farmers!   Assuming you mean adult = mature then because there are more adults playing RPG"s does that make it really adult when most of them are the people we refer to as kiddies in every MMORPG . Since the majority of MMORPG's players act like kiddies and most adults play MMORPG's, then most of those kiddies are actually adults. Adult age has nothing to do with maturity obviously because every time we say "this MMORPG is full of damn kiddies" those people we refer to as kiddies are actually adults acting immature so now how does that make your precious MMORPG game so adult(mature)? And yes kids play FPS just like they play MMORPGs. But what 7 year old or older can't get max level in any MMORPG?  We should take MMORPGs for what they are which is all about "RPG" --story, lore, adventure, exploration, character, and hopefully a mature community regardless of age--. People who get ego boosts from playing a MMORPG must really have rock bottom self esteem and zero real life confidence.  And in the future how about making better analogies when explaining your position. Your logic is this -- because there are more kids playing football than there are pro football players, pro football must be a kiddie sport. Think about that and get back to me when you learn to analyze. 

Well said Sitheus, he prolly still don't get it tho lol.

  Justjack, Oblivion is in First person, so yeah it can be considered a FPS ("First Person" Shooter from 1st person view) especialy if you use a bow... Witch is what I was refering to(obviously, tho not to you), since stargate is gonna be mainly a shooter(as one would imagine from the shows).

  And again (since you didnt read it from earlier posts) RPG means Role Playing Game, has nothing to do with how you move or how combat is period... please learn what the abreveations mean.  Players like you and those kids you are talking about, are what ruins most MMORPg's, FPS or non, for the adults because they dont know how to RP (or what it means) at all.   And if you take the time to learn how (not hard at all), you will assuredly have a much better time in any MMORPG you play.