Originally posted by Agricola1

I'm sure this venture will probably collapse before then and Gary is no doubt funneling all cash comming into MMOGULs to a different company, probably in his mothers name!

 

While generally you'r accusations are correct to the point where I haven't had to say much, this one is patently false.  Gary has used just about every dime made from MMOGULS so far to pay for CME employees wages.  While it didn't account for much it got them caught up through mid January. (Being perpetually 2 paychecks behind is nothing to cheer about but it's because of MMOGULS that they aren't 5 or 6 checks behind right now).

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Originally posted by tigam

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Originally posted by Agricola1

I'm sure this venture will probably collapse before then and Gary is no doubt funneling all cash comming into MMOGULs to a different company, probably in his mothers name!

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While generally you'r accusations are correct to the point where I haven't had to say much, this one is patently false.  Gary has used just about every dime made from MMOGULS so far to pay for CME employees wages.  While it didn't account for much it got them caught up through mid January. (Being perpetually 2 paychecks behind is nothing to cheer about but it's because of MMOGULS that they aren't 5 or 6 checks behind right now).

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Yes, and I know that them knowing where the money is coming from is weighing very heavily on some of them. I hope those ones find the out to another job they've been looking for before everything falls apart completely soon.

I'd like to know how you knew this information about what Gary is doing with the money, a link would be nice. But even so it's not exactly an act of charity, he's paying of his debts by ripping off poor desperate saps during an economic crisis.

It seems to me this scheme allows Gary to push back his court apperance date, but now he's just adding fraud to non payment of debt!

These are my favorite to date:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/395/RipOff0395659.htm

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JORDE TESSLER HAS TAKING 200,000k FROM ME RAISING THE SHARE'S AMOUNTS TO TURN A PROFIT FOR HIS OWN POCKET WHEN THE THERE REALLY NOT WORTH AS MUCH AS THEY ARE. HE TELLS THE INVESTOR TO MAKE THE CHECK OUT TO A 3RD PARTY COMPANY CALLED JORDISA LLC AND HAS CHEYENNE MT/STARGATE CUT THE SHARE'S TO THE PERSON OR COMPANY.

HE PROMISED ME THE THE GAME WOULD BE OUT IN 8-8-2008. JORDE NEEDS TO BE STOP HE'S MAKING A QUICK BUCK WHEN THE GAME IS NOT EVAN FINNISH WITH OUT A Securities
License. HE WILL ALSO TAKE YOU ON A TOUR OF HIS HVAC COMPANY 'American Home Maintenance' TO MAKE YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT INVESTING TOTAL SCAMMER BE AWARE OF THIS MAN

SAM
mesa, Arizona
U.S.A.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/426/RipOff0426609.htm

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Whiting leaves bolts Utah, excommunicated from the Mormon church for promoting polygamy and fraud within the Merman faithful, comes to Arizona and through a company called Empress Holdings starts a company, with NO INVESTMENT of his own in 2005-06 called CME. Now, having raise over $55M through over 15 shell corps, mostly incorporated in Utah, Nevada and Wyoming, and maybe Arizona, and actually stumbling on to a product, through absolutely NO effort of his own (This is a 2 hour whiteboard presentation). Now relegated to $50k-$150 investors, because NO BIG investor would spend more than 20 minutes with this clown when you know what I know, and NO sophisticated investor would put money into a deal like this without due diligence, then the economy hit the skids last August his $1.2M monthly burn rate to support his companies and personal ventures, he has failed to raise over $400k a month, so he owes $2.5M in pay roll taxes $5M in payables etc etc.. I could tell you more, but since I don't really know what you might post where, I will just stick to public records and public knowledge, that would make my Arizona lawyer happy. The mere fact that I answered your email will probably **** him off, but I don't have a staff to combat all this garbage on the internet, and because everything posted on the internet is obviously true, why bother, because after all, I've never seen a person found guilty and sent to jail, or ordered to pay restitution, by a Jury of PUBLIC OPINION... Jorde Tessler is part of the scam with Mr.Whiting, Jorde is living on his yatch taking money from small time investor's that don't no any better. He acts like a big shot with his HVAC company and preying on small time investors to support his wife Lisa Tessler spending habits and there fake life style....

Scammers
scottsdale, Arizona
U.S.A.

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I love how they type in CAPITALS and can't string a sentence together with correct punctuation.

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"Rob,

None of your facts are correct. Firesky has the publishing rights to Stargate, directly contracted with MGM Studios. Why not call the CEO of Firesky, Tim Jenson, and ask him, or Corporate Counsel Mike Rafford..You can reach Tim at 480.656.6501 or Rafford at 480.656.6500...

As for Whiting, sorry pal, you have been taken. Just call CME and ask Keith Deering, the only other Board Member. He can't even come to his office, Whiting has his office bugged.
I suppose you went throught the "pitch" by Whiting and cofounder Fred Gagon.. How about accessing public records in the Superior Court of the State of Arizona, Maricopa County for case # CV95-02582, Gagon was permanently banned for life by the State of Arizona from representing or selling unregistered securities, and fined $700k for exactly what he has been doing at CME, but not anymore, I chased him to Brazil right after Christmas. He is back now, laying low, plotting his return with Whiting when they move ******* to Utah, supposedly in mid March.. By the way check public records on Gagon, there are in access of $11Million in liens on him from the 95 conviction.

Call the former CFO of CME, he recently resigned , along with 5 other key management personel, part due to a $2.5 million dollar paryroll tax liability, and because he helped cover up a past embezzlement of $4M + bu Whioting, now he is at it again, they are OUT of mon ey, and ******* is his new cash cow, supposedly.. BUT they just secured their 4th credit card processor in 90 days, or they think they have..

Call me anytime if you and other investors want to join my Legal Fund, if not kiss your investment goodbye.

The Arizona Corporate Commisssion will soon open it's investigation, and as I write this email, I am in Washington DC, attending to several non-related CME/******* obligations, but I did get the time to visit the SEC and DOJ.. Whiting and Gagons days will soon be over....

Call me anytime....

Robert L.Guenther
President/Managing Partner

Jaffa Partners LP
Jaffa Partners Management Co, LLC
Arizona Office 480.545.2200
Fax 480.545.2022
Dallas Office 972.471.4408
Mobile 214.587.3977
bob@jaffapartners.com"

That last post was a quote by the way.

Vaporware?

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Originally posted by Moretrinkets
Vaporware?

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All games are vaporware until released. This game is currently in development and as such has a chance to shut down before it goes gold, I however still think it is moving forward dispite some of the internal problems plaguing the company. At this time the best we can hope for is to see Beta testing return. I think that will be the turning point to put the masses at ease.

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Originally posted by Fumbles

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Originally posted by Moretrinkets
Vaporware?

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All games are vaporware until released. This game is currently in development and as such has a chance to shut down before it goes gold, I however still think it is moving forward dispite some of the internal problems plaguing the company. At this time the best we can hope for is to see Beta testing return. I think that will be the turning point to put the masses at ease.

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I agree that only the resumption of beta testing will blow the doubt of the release off of this game. The sad part is, that's the SMALLER hurdle this game is facing. Once we get to beta, its a matter of whether or not the developer's hard work on this will get washed away by suspect and predatory business practices. I personally couldn't give a rat's ass if the developers choose to update the community. Because either way, whether they do or don't, the game is either going to come out or its not. Updates won't change that one way or another.

What I do care about is a game free of pyramid-scheme guilds spamming my chat box. The whole "Where games and social networks collide" thing scares the shit out of me when the social network they seem to be talking about is MMOGULs.

I really want to play this game. I wouldn't be in here talking if I wasn't interested. But the dark cloud that has been allowed to form around it due to the information blackout and the bad business press makes this seem like a disaster in the making. I really hope this game makes it.

Darn shame about all this. The game itself was sounding pretty interesting....and the Dev staff sounded like they were pretty on the ball. Too bad it had to get torpedoed by a shady VC at the top.

The only thing that's surprising about all this is that he was able to get the license in the first place. I can see the group that origionaly came up with the concept getting blinded by the promise of venture capital... but I'd expect a Major TV studio would be doing better due dilligence before handing over a license to some-one like Whiting.

Oh well, I suppose we'll just have to hold out hope that a reputable game studio takes some interest and considers buying out the project.

 

I wonder what happened to the thread on MMOGULS at scam.com? I tried to look it up, couldn't find it, and when I tried to use a link from the email notifications that came from it, I get a "thread not found" error.

Originally posted by Zhiroc

I wonder what happened to the thread on MMOGULS at scam.com? I tried to look it up, couldn't find it, and when I tried to use a link from the email notifications that came from it, I get a "thread not found" error.

 

Not sure mate, the admin said he had to move it but said nothing else, it seems that Thurston or Whiting may have intimidated them into deleting it. Atleast that's my assumption until scam.com tell me otherwise.

However I started another thread here feel welcome to post mate, remember don't let the Moguls get you down!

Originally posted by Agricola1 

However I started another thread here feel welcome to post mate, remember don't let the Moguls get you down!

 

Not working. Is that site down or did the thread get deleted again?

Originally posted by Pugla

Originally posted by Agricola1 

However I started another thread here feel welcome to post mate, remember don't let the Moguls get you down!

 

Not working. Is that site down or did the thread get deleted again?

 

Yep, it seems it got deleted again with no explanation fromm the site, seems scam.com are under the thumb of MMOGULs!

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Originally posted by Agricola1

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Originally posted by Pugla

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Originally posted by Agricola1 
However I started another thread here feel welcome to post mate, remember don't let the Moguls get you down!

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Not working. Is that site down or did the thread get deleted again?

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Yep, it seems it got deleted again with no explanation fromm the site, seems scam.com are under the thumb of MMOGULs!

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So I guess scam.com can be taken off the list of reputable sites? If MMOGULs isn't a scam, I don't know what is.

Thurston has come out and said it:

Cheyenne Mtn Games will license its games to an internet mall called www.itzyourMall.com. Mmoguls (the network marketing opportunity) will get its games from itzyourMall.

I think I said somewhere around here that I thought that's how CME maintained the fiction of there being no "relationship"

On a totally different note, is the whole thing imploding? From an affiliate website:

I am sorry to say that our new CEO, Brent Barton, has stepped down and resigned his position as of last Friday. I do not have any answers that I can share with you as to why. But, due to the changes that seem to be occurring at MMOGULS, I will be cancelling all future webinars until further notice.

Wow, I can’t believe he stepped down less than a month after being MMOGULS' CEO. Guess there is no honor among thieves these days!

This happening right after the MGM visit, plus with the CME devs not getting paid …. I can’t put my finger on what the bigger picture is.

However, it seems to me MMOGULS is defunct, which is bad if it was keeping Stargate worlds development moving forward.
 

Originally posted by Kyriesunset

Wow, I can’t believe he stepped down less than a month after being MMOGULS' CEO. Guess there is no honor among thieves these days!

This happening right after the MGM visit, plus with the CME devs not getting paid …. I can’t put my finger on what the bigger picture is.

However, it seems to me MMOGULS is defunct, which is bad if it was keeping Stargate worlds development moving forward.
 

 

MMOGULS is on the rocks, any member can tell you that based on the information, or lack thereof, coming from it's remaining executive staff (the MMOGULS CEO wasn't the only one to bail).  While this will make many folks cheer (MMOGULS is of questionable legality for sure) it is very bad news for CME.  The employees may not want to hear it but their pay checks were being paid by the tenuous relationship between the two entities.  Without MMOGULS, payroll goes away again.  As evidenced by the sudden MMOGULS trouble and lack of payroll being met last week.

Unrelated to the CEO story, but perhaps interesting....

From an affiliate MMOGULS blog:

• "We cannot talk about the Stargate Worlds game in meetings. For the time being, MGM is being protective of that franchise name, and is taking a 'wait and see' posture (for lack of a better word). When MMOGULS is up and running, they might view that differently. This statement DOES NOT mean that Stargate Worlds will not be available for play in the MMOGULS network when the game launches, so please don't misinterpret that."
• "We can tell people that Cheyenne is one of the game companies that will be in the network along with the games that they produce."
• " There are 3200 in MMOGULS as of noon today." (Feb 28)

 

That blog is over 6 weeks old. A majority of the site changes that were, until recently, viewable occurred after Feb 28th.