wow... Infinity looks great. but EVE has inspired me of late. in the year 1995 i played my 1st mmo it was called earth and beyond it was more than EVE or Infinity could hope to be. Alas it was ahead of its time and suffered the conciquences. the diferences between the two seem to remind me of Cutting Earth and beyond in half and giving the two games whats left over. which leads me to this question if you took EVE and Infinity and combined them using the best fetures of both would it be a truly phenominal game?

I'm pretty sure EnB was not around as a MMO in 95.

Originally posted by Nuich

I'm pretty sure EnB was not around as a MMO in 95.

not only that it has nothin' even close to the scale and "realism" of what infinity is gonna be.

just visit their website and go to the dev journal forum. the features and the game engine is gonna be fantastic.

they already have combat prototype that gives a feel of what the game engine can do.

it's gonna be way bigger and more realistic space MMO than E&B and EvE combined could ever dream to be.

The two games outside PVP could easily be as good as each other, but in PVP its a completely different game. In a flight stick based game, you cant get the depth of PVP that you can with eve, where its not the SP that gets you your kill, thats just a misconception carried on from most other fantasy based RPG's, in EVE its all about your knowledge, its how well you know your target but more so how well you know your own ship,its about speed, traverse velocity, tracking speeds, range, electronic warefare, and so so much more, the pvp in eve is about outsmarting your apponent, outsmarting is something that SP cant buy, it comes through experiance.

Infinity on the other hand is about outskilling your apponent, the satisfaction from killing a target in a ship, getting your ship to hold a close orbit manually with bursts of thrust, blasting the ***** out the *****, the adrenaline rush you get is something quite satisfying, similar to that of eve, but a different type of satisfaction. (before i played EVE i played Jumpgate for about a year, its a closer comparrison to Infinity than EVE is)

think of it as star wars and star trek, they're both based in space yes, but they are quite different and  both in their own right are top of their classes.

Originally posted by Schinoble

The two games outside PVP could easily be as good as each other, but in PVP its a completely different game. In a flight stick based game, you cant get the depth of PVP that you can with eve, where its not the SP that gets you your kill, thats just a misconception carried on from most other fantasy based RPG's, in EVE its all about your knowledge, its how well you know your target but more so how well you know your own ship,its about speed, traverse velocity, tracking speeds, range, electronic warefare, and so so much more, the pvp in eve is about outsmarting your apponent, outsmarting is something that SP cant buy, it comes through experiance.

Infinity on the other hand is about outskilling your apponent, the satisfaction from killing a target in a ship, getting your ship to hold a close orbit manually with bursts of thrust, blasting the ***** out the *****, the adrenaline rush you get is something quite satisfying, similar to that of eve, but a different type of satisfaction. (before i played EVE i played Jumpgate for about a year, its a closer comparrison to Infinity than EVE is)

think of it as star wars and star trek, they're both based in space yes, but they are quite different and  both in their own right are top of their classes.

sir, these forums are not the place for intelligent and rational discourse, i suggest you call somebody a demeaning name or leave.  good day!

Originally posted by Schinoble

The two games outside PVP could easily be as good as each other, but in PVP its a completely different game. In a flight stick based game, you cant get the depth of PVP that you can with eve, where its not the SP that gets you your kill, thats just a misconception carried on from most other fantasy based RPG's, in EVE its all about your knowledge, its how well you know your target but more so how well you know your own ship,its about speed, traverse velocity, tracking speeds, range, electronic warefare, and so so much more, the pvp in eve is about outsmarting your apponent, outsmarting is something that SP cant buy, it comes through experiance.

Infinity on the other hand is about outskilling your apponent, the satisfaction from killing a target in a ship, getting your ship to hold a close orbit manually with bursts of thrust, blasting the ***** out the *****, the adrenaline rush you get is something quite satisfying, similar to that of eve, but a different type of satisfaction. (before i played EVE i played Jumpgate for about a year, its a closer comparrison to Infinity than EVE is)

think of it as star wars and star trek, they're both based in space yes, but they are quite different and  both in their own right are top of their classes.

sorry, but the only "skill" you need in eve is time or numbers. sure eve and infinity have their own playstyles, but you need to be slapped sideways saying eve takes skill to play, not.

Originally posted by graill

sorry, but the only "skill" you need in eve is time or numbers. sure eve and infinity have their own playstyles, but you need to be slapped sideways saying eve takes skill to play, not.

i hear this arguement a lot, and thats just in this thread :P

the fact is, you are wrong.  the only skill you need in eve is experience.  true, most of the experienced players have tons of skills, but hey, it takes time to get experience, and during that time, you are training skills.

your arguement is simply that of a noob who is used to WoW style play where all you have to do is grind for a month or two and you are able to kill anyone.  everyone in eve is basically on the same level.  think of skills as attribute bonuses in the typical mmos, like haveing +2 strength.  all it does is give you more "hp" or "defense", it doesnt make you a better player.

now a comment on infinity.
comparing this to eve is like comparing breakfast and dinner.  is one better than the other?  no.  some people dont even eat breakfast.  they are two different meals, prepared two different ways, and at two different times of the day.  just as infinity and eve are two different games, two different styles, two different dreams from two different groups of people.  sure, piloting your ship in eve is point/click, but some people prefer the simplicity of it.  the idea of the infinity controls appeals to me in a couple different senses.  i like the realism of it for one.  but i dont know if i would like actually using it.  a lot of other infinity features appeal to me, but i dont think i will quit eve for it, but rather play both if i like infinity.  eve is not for everyone, as it has been said a lot, as it is apparent for graill.  and infinity will not be for everyone either.

I really hate dating myself like this... but does anyone remember a Commodore 64 game called Echelon?  Any old school gamer will tell you the absolute love they have for Elite.  It was groundbreaking and when I finally got to leave the first *galaxy* I was in for another... that was incredible.  Echelon was, from what I can remember, based on exploring planets and gathering cyphers and other ancient relics and trying to piece them together and make sense out of them.  From what I recall it was in essence a futuristic archaeological game with Elite like qualities thrown in.  I never felt a need to leave my ship there, it made sense to be in my ship to scan the planetary surfaces for things I needed and as long as you can fly down toward the planet's surface and do what you need to do in Infinity... sounds promising...

fly down and scan for that new life form or new mineral or ore that your scientists require of you to further their research etc...

Well the Trinity expansion for EvE has been out a while now and Infinity is still less than vaporware.

i really do not think that eve is a hard gam to be in combat wtih... after what my friends are telling me (eve is the only mmo i never played) u only need skills u upgrade and the ship takes care of the rest except from some powers.... they say they hate it.. i want to try it but havent got time nor enough money (for the time being) but i really see a future in infinity.

a better one then eve

well i stumbled across this game only a few hours ago... read the web page on it.... and i nearly crapped my self with happyness... i've played my share of mmorpg game. WoW being the main one. and for a time i have been wanting a space mmo checked out eve today and imediatly hated it. infinity looks like it will be the greatest and most imersive space mmorpg out there. even if you naysayers are sticking to the "its only in development cant compare to eve" defence... i think eve is going to be shut down after this gets released. in all honesty some thing this great is some thing worth waiting for at the store on a midnight release. this will be epic. and to all the guys workin on this game i now make you my heros.

If you dont like EvE you wont like this game. And secondly, you cant just "try" EvE you have to dedicate a legitimate amount of time to it to get a real sense of the game.

Originally posted by etruscan
Well, the one aspect I find most appealing is the massive scale of Infinity, and how planets are rendered real time. I like the idea of being able to dip into a planet's atmosphere. I wish there were actual avatars (toons) - so that you could get out on a planets surface or in cities. Even a limited amount of toon play would certainly give this game an edge over Eve.

As it stands - it looks very ambitious and the demo video is sweet. I can't wait to see more.

The Infinity: Quest For Earth Game Trailer

I think the future of sci fi mmos have been set in motion by Infinity. I woudl love to play a ground game as well as a space game with no loading screens.  This project is amazing and sets a new standard.

OK i played eve now for 3 yrs, it is a really good game with tonnes of diff ships you can own and tonnes of skills you can train and tonnes of equipment you can add to your ship, it is actully a game not for people who never played a space game before as you will be completely confused, but only problem i have with it is you dont actully feel like your in the ship, when mining all you do is target lock ore and right click mouse and clock approach then you wait 5 mins for ship to reach ore so basicly you can just read a book, and once you start to mine depending on laser you use and size of cargo bay you got, you can goto the shop while you mine or do something to occupy your self, but in combat it is basicly same you target the enimy and set orbit distance depending on optional range for weapon to do most damage,then you just activate your quickbelt weapons and what else you have and just sit back hopeing you win, But in infinity you do feel like your in the ship becouse if you deside to do something in rl your ship will just float there waiting for you to take control, and space is realistic in every way like you cant pass throw a planet in warp as you will just crash and burn, plus if your in combat and your looseing you can warp out but the enimy can also share the warp stream and disable your ship so you cant escape, and i think there is a Lisance system to fly new ships, also planet landing where you enter the atmoshpear and the front of the ship will burn and if your falling to a planet surfice like in a mining ship with lots of modules the modules will burn up and soon after the ship will be destroyed, there is also capital ship own gravity where if you fly close to a capital ship you share its gravity and you can let go of the controls and you will be in same place you stopped even if capital ship is moveing around, there is tonnes more info to add but i dont want to spoil it lol.

"8. No skills, experience or levels. "

Bingo!

Lesson number one, how NOT to write a MMO.

If you don't have skills or experience or some way to measure character development you don't have a MMO, all you have a fancy FPS game.

All I can say about this game is, remind everyone to avoid it like the plague!

There are other ways to measure character development without skills, experience or levels. Like wealth ( owning ships, factories, buildings, corporations, workers.. ), licences to operate for various jobs / in various sytems, reputation, etc..

This is a shame that you do not support indy developers who try to do something "different". Do not complain if within 5 years, all MMOs are WoW copies.

Originally posted by Harafnir

Another difference:

EVE is an existing game, with all its promises delivered.

Infinity so far, pretty much looks like vaporware. Lots of big words and pretty pictures but absolutly no meat on the bones. A few models directly from the 3D program... LIke my homepage from the late 90s, not exactly  afullfledged game system.

A bit early to compare, I would say.

join the forums over at infinity, they have a space combat server going...i havent checked it out for quite some time now, but once you get a chance to try PvP teams from the server you'll be eagerly waiting for its release.

What i know

I played EVE online for 4 years, its been a roller coster ride, watching the game advance and at the same time kill it self, to my opinion only. I ve been in mining corp in old days, but didnt last a week. PVP was the way and been in pvp/piracy with most small known entities and its best alliance. But it sad to say that eve has got to go, because frankly there is not much elitism left.

All the noobs can get into a vaga and solo, if there is a palce left to solo. the overcrowding is what has really driven me off eve.

About infinity:

IT represents everything i ever dreamed of from a space game, Twich play, Infinity basiclly. I know i can set course this way, and i ll be going this way forever knowing that its not pointless like  you do in eve.

Try and fly towards a star in eve, Its just a background.

What i want:

I want the big ships to be slow, Nanophoon anyone? BS are huge, and are meant to turn slow, fighter are fast and therefor, go fast.

I hope that they dont ruin the game with cheap bombers that can chew on a BS class ship within seconds.

I plan on making it my full time game, of my gaming time when its out, So please don't make it hard to find something to do: e.i: searching hours for an agent to do missions./

Make pirating hard, and if you re a pirate you simply cant work for a lawful faction/corporation.

Industry, ship building, should be reasonably slow. Not tooooooooooooo slow, and not a 1 day job either to build a fraking bs.

The ability to put some of the turrets, ei rear turret on ai control, ala x3, to be able to set it up for any deffense system and such.

i though i should check out eve... so i did... now i understand why everybody hates it... it took me 2 weeks just to understand the basics... but it was quite fun after that:P but if you are the kind of person who hates things that takes time eve is ABSOLUTELY not for you... if you get friends it actually gets kinda fun... i wonder how infinity is compared.

Yeah it does take ages,

I have a 60mil sp cahr one ve, and it took me tiem since 2004 to reach that.

I mainly specialise, to the ships i fly i do the max damage for them.

other pilots with 40msp for isntance can fly all that i fly with lvl 4 to all, meaning he ll be 5 to 20% less effective in certain areas, up to 50% on some

so if you assume taht experience will make you elite in eve, well, you would be right by 20%

the other 80% that is is msot important aspect of that game is, cleverness wich counts to a good 20-40%

and the rest is TIME, wich earns you skills. Also money thru trade, industry, or even pirating (pvp) in general

EVE takes time, Its good when you paly it for a year kind of part time, doing the basic skills.

But after that youd better find ur self a nice big 0.0 corp to enjoy lots of fun fleet battles, ITs pretty complex enogh to make each battle feel different fromt he other, Unlike freelancer experience, EVE envolves lots of planning before a fight, or during.

If you re an alliance or corp leader, or an FC, you will feel like you are playing Total war in sapce, or Empire earth using real people, and moving them about aroudn the map.

ITs that fun. sorta, but all will get boring. EVE took ages to get boring for me, especially with the shit laods of POS warfare that has been going on.

So ATM i jsut look forward to infinity more than any game out there, I want to feel that iam really in space, cause i doubt my generation will catch on the space age in time to be of any use