WAR (Warhammer Online) Forum » General Discussion raquo; Will this game Break the 2 Million Subscriber Mark?

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ekstra Novice Member Joined: 5/09/06 Posts: 15	5/09/06 5:14:15 PM#41 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) The game is made by Mythic, who will definately want to be replacing their DAOC revenue stream by 2007. DAOC was built for RvR, as is WHO, so I don't expect them to get too terribly soft on us. However, don't expect them to do anything radical like permadeath or full PvP looting that may chase away the more casual gamers.
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Neurox1 Apprentice Member Joined: 7/08/05 Posts: 261	5/19/06 4:07:05 AM#42 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Fusion Since the "fall" of DAoC (after ToA), a TON of people went to WOW and EQ2 so yeah when this thing hits the shelves i bet lots of old DAoC boys will be coming back home, and this game is sure to make a hole in blizzards subscriber base, im 110% certain of it. 1st point is that wow fanbois like the graphics and are bored with WOW and they'll be heading here i bet (i sure dont hope its the kids section tho), 2nd point is that old DAoC boys are just playing WOW and EQ2 to suffice their need of online community play and with this out, they'll be coming here "meek meek", last but not least 3rd point is the original tabletop Warhammer boyz be coming to da online world, and believe me when i say this, they're PLENTY :) i agree you have a LOT of warhammer fans more so than world of warcraft id say ... it is similar enough in graphics to attract the wow kids ... and PVP will be awesome to attract the PVP guys .. id say this game will be the next big thing
Ankor Novice Member Joined: 12/22/05 Posts: 259 old people ftw	5/19/06 10:19:21 PM#43 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Only if it goes to the Xbox 360
Pantastic Apprentice Member Joined: 2/25/06 Posts: 1204	5/19/06 11:16:17 PM#44 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by ekstra However, don't expect them to do anything radical like permadeath or full PvP looting that may chase away the more casual gamers. Permadeath chases away pretty much all gamers, virtually no one likes the idea though people will talk like they do because it sounds hardcore. If you really believe permadeath enhances the game for you, you can mod it in to any game yourself; all you have to do is delete your character if you die-in game, and you've got the same exeperience. Not many people do this, though, which shows how they really feel about the concept.
M1sf1t Advanced Member Joined: 4/15/06 Posts: 1563	5/20/06 12:01:40 AM#45 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) I say it has the potential to reach 2 million if it's handle correctly and meets it's expectations. Believe it or not there are a lot of WoW PvP players who are sick and tired of the Blizzards..."grinding on a treadmill is fun" PvP system. If WAR is fun and rewarding with PvP that is not based on grinding crappy ranks ala WoW then it should be fun. In other words Mythic needs to make sure it keeps what made RvR in DAOC fun and throw out the crap that most people disliked about it and refine...refine. Also Mythic should stick close to the WARHAMMER IP and stay true to the lore and artwork as much as possible. They shouldn't change things with WAR just because people whine and for example say that they don't like Witch Elves or Chaos women running around in next to nothing. The only things that should be change are those that directly effect and impact gameplay. WAR needs to stay distinct and orginal to what GW envisioned as much as possible. Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2. Game(s) I Am Currently Playing: GW2 (+LoL and BF3)
Shayde Novice Member Joined: 9/26/05 Posts: 4551 The game isn’t designed to keep people playing." - Smed NOW you realize that! - Shayde	5/20/06 12:49:03 AM#46 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Easily. Just look at the sales of Games Workshop products alone. Look at the sales of all the other Warhammer games (Dawn of War working on 2nd expansion.. and ROCKS). 2 million easy.. especially because it doesn't have the stink of $OE on it. Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal. It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled :( - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
NeuroXl Novice Member Joined: 5/19/06 Posts: 298	5/20/06 12:49:04 AM#47 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by M1sf1t I say it has the potential to reach 2 million if it's handle correctly and meets it's expectations. Believe it or not there are a lot of WoW PvP players who are sick and tired of the Blizzards..."grinding on a treadmill is fun" PvP system. If WAR is fun and rewarding with PvP that is not based on grinding crappy ranks ala WoW then it should be fun. In other words Mythic needs to make sure it keeps what made RvR in DAOC fun and throw out the crap that most people disliked about it and refine...refine. Also Mythic should stick close to the WARHAMMER IP and stay true to the lore and artwork as much as possible. They shouldn't change things with WAR just because people whine and for example say that they don't like Witch Elves or Chaos women running around in next to nothing. The only things that should be change are those that directly effect and impact gameplay. WAR needs to stay distinct and orginal to what GW envisioned as much as possible. i love the misfits ... " twentyyyy eeeeeeyes in my heeeead, they aaaaal the saaame .. they're aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalll the saaaame"
Size-Twelve Apprentice Member Joined: 7/10/05 Posts: 446 See you in Washington	5/20/06 1:46:19 AM#48 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by DarthMick Without getting too deep into it, Blizzard brought in a massive amount of new players to the mmo scene. People who never before played an mmo. I think they were able to do that because they already had a huge number of fans of their RTS games. Fans who liked Blizzard enough to try out something new, and once they started.... Well I think we all know how addictive mmo's can be Can Mythic do this with WAR? Im not sure they can. . Last I heard, Warhammer is comming out with a brand new RTS BEFORE the launch of this game. That's pretty ingenious really. You're going to have all the Warhammer 40k fans back into the mix playing the new RTS. At the same time, there's bound to be a ton of hype, and you'll pull in a buttload of new RTS fans, who just wanna try out something new. Meanwhile, about the time all these fans are thinking "warhammers is teh hawtsecks" BAM! WAR launches just around the corner. Freaking great strategy. Edit: One other thing, I see alot of people of the mindset that Warhammer has to bring in new fans to break a million or two subs. I don't think so. Thanks in no small part to WoW, there are more people ALREADY playing MMO's than there probably ever have been in this genres history. Warhammer will bring in new fans just from the IP no doubt. However, it's juice will be from other MMOers (which is no longer just a small portion of gamers) who I think will find a nice, populated, content rich game.
Silhouette83 Novice Member Joined: 4/02/06 Posts: 213 Akira is to the Matrix and Warhammer is to Warcraft, Without it the others would not exist.	5/20/06 9:52:48 AM#49 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Size-Twelve Last I heard, Warhammer is comming out with a brand new RTS BEFORE the launch of this game. That's pretty ingenious really. You're going to have all the Warhammer 40k fans back into the mix playing the new RTS. At the same time, there's bound to be a ton of hype, and you'll pull in a buttload of new RTS fans, who just wanna try out something new. Meanwhile, about the time all these fans are thinking "warhammers is teh hawtsecks" BAM! WAR launches just around the corner. Freaking great strategy. You hit the nail right on the head, infact there are two coming out, one Warhammer: Mark of Chaos (if you like WAR's movie check this) and one 40k (expantion pack to Dawn of War) Warhammer 40k: Dawn of War - Dark Crusade. details are sketch, I suggest checking out the forums for the details rather than looking around the site. Both these games are due to hit the market about late 2006, so giving a year of build up on these two games, however if people are looking for a company name all these three have in common is Games Workshop. That all said, any name "Warhammer" becomes a talking point at any rate. Die Noctique, By Day and Night
Pantastic Apprentice Member Joined: 2/25/06 Posts: 1204	5/20/06 2:23:38 PM#50 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) What's the name of the Warhammer RTS? I hadn't heard about it.
Silhouette83 Novice Member Joined: 4/02/06 Posts: 213 Akira is to the Matrix and Warhammer is to Warcraft, Without it the others would not exist.	5/20/06 7:58:30 PM#51 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Pantastic What's the name of the Warhammer RTS? I hadn't heard about it. RTS: Real Time Strategy ? My post above gives the answers, clicking on the names will lead you to both the Warhammer RTS and the Warhammer 40k RTS, there is also a video link for the Warhammer RTS int ehre if you look realy realy close. Die Noctique, By Day and Night
Pantastic Apprentice Member Joined: 2/25/06 Posts: 1204	5/21/06 12:17:09 AM#52 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) The post didn't go through the first time, so I hit the post button again later which was after your post. At least I think that's what happened.
Lasraik Novice Member Joined: 5/19/06 Posts: 170	5/21/06 8:58:20 PM#53 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Arkdawg Mythic has shown that they have the ability to create a fun and balanced PvP environment, and this will bring the numbers up even further. I think that there are plenty of WoW subscribers who by the time this is released will be or have been ready for something better. WoW has its pluses, but for me and many others the negatives far outweigh the positives when it comes to the enjoyability (is that even a word) of that game. Mythic has shown they can create a balanced PVP enviornment? Uhm, no. There aren't many DAOC subscribers now for the intial burst of players, it will probably be ex-DAoC players http://www.TheGamersAssociation.com
Shayde Novice Member Joined: 9/26/05 Posts: 4551 The game isn’t designed to keep people playing." - Smed NOW you realize that! - Shayde	5/21/06 9:37:05 PM#54 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) OOOHHH I wub the new expansion for the 40K RTS. /sit and wait impatiently. Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal. It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled :( - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
zakk_ Apprentice Member Joined: 5/23/06 Posts: 439 Don''t tell me I''m still on that feckin island!	5/23/06 6:53:00 AM#55 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Arkdawg I think the problem with making it a Race vs Race basis with many factions in each race is you make it extremely hard to get balanced PvP battles and you make things a bit too chaotic. You have to reduce the number of factions/realms to a number of 2-3 to keep people from becoming overly frustrated with being so heavily outnumbered or dominate (to the point of boredom). It'll be the same as in DAOC.Word spreads fast about major skirmishes and everyone heads to that zone.Anyone from any race from either faction can hit any pvp zone. There will probably be 1 or 2 favoured zones,like Emain in DAOC,where most folks looking for pvp action go when nothing major is happening. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MHBIoGh6Og
User Deleted	5/23/06 9:32:28 AM#56 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) I'm not sure, but the way the game is looking now it seems to be overhyped. It's not very appealing imo. The graphics look really strange and seems like there will be only three playable races? All I have seen in screens are dwarves, orcs, and goblins. It's probably because I don't checkout their website. I think that if it is too PvP oriented then all the carebears will leave to WoW. I still have high hopes for this game with a rating of 9.
zakk_ Apprentice Member Joined: 5/23/06 Posts: 439 Don''t tell me I''m still on that feckin island!	5/23/06 9:35:10 AM#57 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) 6 playable races at launch and you never have to pvp if you don't want to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MHBIoGh6Og
Suolucider Novice Member Joined: 12/26/03 Posts: 7	5/23/06 5:15:40 PM#58 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by zakk_ 6 playable races at launch and you never have to pvp if you don't want to. I'm more einterested in if I have to leave PvP. I'm one of the people who is actually sad about ShadowBane's demise. PvP is the only thing that will keep me in a game once I reach the end game. WoW couldn't even hold my attention long enough to reach lvl 60, and that's not lon in that game.
Bulldog12289 Novice Member Joined: 5/22/05 Posts: 5	5/23/06 5:22:07 PM#59 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Lasraik Mythic has shown they can create a balanced PVP enviornment? Uhm, no. Ummmm yes. Ever play DAoC....about the most even teams you can get. your probably just saying that because you played a server overrun with once race. Check all the servers a different realm is winning in each server.
othercents Novice Member Joined: 4/05/04 Posts: 24	5/23/06 6:10:12 PM#60 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) I don't think WAR will break 2 Million subscribers even though I believe it will be a great game. WOW has always been a very easy game to play. Anyone who has played DAOC, EQ, or even AC can agree that you could almost play WOW in your sleep (and many times I think I did). This is the reason why WOW is so popular with the younger crowd which always had problems in other more complex games like DAOC. I believe WAR will appeal to people to more of the hardcore crowd and because of this you won't see the numbers of players that WOW has. Over all i think WAR will easily have 500k copies sold after 6 months and have 500k subscribers at the end of the first year. This is mainly because the hardcore crowd will probably purchase at least two accounts (I will after 30 days is up with the first account). Other