For normal people;

I must say that the rr progression pack is sold in the ea store without saying anything about how it works.

You buy it and maybe you understand how it really works.

If somebody can tell me where can I read the offical EA/mythic  info I would appreciate.

Also they changed the game icons of the maps. Cant be 100% sure but I dont remenber reading anything about it on the patch notes.

Originally posted by Elidien

Originally posted by D_TOX

This is what happens when idiots don't actually pay attention to the patch/expansion notes and just jump to conclusions. Did you really expect Mythic, running WAR on a skeleton crew, to create an entirely new faction with 4-5 brand-new classes for you to simply create and level from 1 to 50 like everything else? Learn to read. If you'd actually took the 5 minutes to read the note's like most people, you wouldn't have needed to create this thread and thus wouldn't have been disappointed. And the new RvR system is NEW, compltely different, did you expect people to run around in complete synergy as if they've been playing this campaign for years?

Actually, after a bit of research here and on the WAR website, the patch notes are the only place I see the "play as a Skaven" detailed. Even in the 3 articles here that mention (2 specifically) there is nothing about the way that its done.

I just find it funny, and a little odd that one of the big draws or seeling points of this expansion is the skaven but only in the patch notes is it explained how its limited.

I think anyone could understand why players who MIGHT have returned for this patch would be disappointed to learn the exact details. Sorry I just prefer forthcoming information and hate the fine print; the "Oh yeah, by the way, did we mention...." crap.

If this information was readily available (and by that I mean released to multiple new outlets or detailed in a specific article on Mythic's website and not buried at unique site A or on page 45 of thread 119) then I apologize.

Its not an issue of a silver platter, its an issue of disclosing all vital information to your cutomer when you expect them to make a monetary transaction.

 Well I guess now we know that Cryptic has lost its monopoly on pulling a fast one on their customers.

At least people now also know what to expect with SW:TOR.

Originally posted by Mesfenlir

For normal people;

I must say that the rr progression pack is sold in the ea store without saying anything about how it works.

You buy it and maybe you understand how it really works.

If somebody can tell me where can I read the offical EA/mythic  info I would appreciate.

Also they changed the game icons of the maps. Cant be 100% sure but I dont remenber reading anything about it on the patch notes.

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You on the other hand have not and are making empty comments which are in fact in line with what a troll does. You openly admit that you have not read about how it works and yet you comment?

Do you expect the full explaination to be on Ea store? Ea store is a store where you buy DLC not where to go to read the complete changes to the RvR system and how to play the Skaven. 

And no one should be buying it if they do not understnad how it works...So "maybe" should not come into it.

And on a final note the Skaven are hard to get that is how mythic wants it and that is how it is, you may not like it and you have a choice not to buy it, more fool you if you bought it without knowing what it contains.

I expect when I buy a product to know what I am getting. There is something called "costumer rights" at least in my country.

Was talking about the progression pack in the Ea store not the skaven patch please read better.

Regarding the "troll" subject I would say that a troll uses to insult others that don´t ehing like him/her.

Dont say you are a troll but using words like "fool" puts you on the borderline.

I recognized that I didn´t read ALL patch notes, but most of them yes.

In the official video of this patch you can read at the beggining. "Play as a skaven" which is right but it confuses the gamers cos they think you can play a skaven anytime you like (inside rvr zones ofc)

Also you can see all different skavens running in the middle of praag (no keep) and a skaven tank fighting on the field in a place it reminds me dragonwake. No siege also.

Players dont want to be difficult to play as a skeven, in fact they want to be one!!!!!!!

They promised us skavens and instead we have this.

And some of you blame me cos I am not happy about it???? ..... COMMON    

Originally posted by Mesfenlir

I expect when I buy a product to know what I am getting. There is something called "costumer rights" at least in my country.

Was talking about the progression pack in the Ea store not the skaven patch please read better.

http://www.warhammeronline.com/vermin/

Honestly that was really easy to find. It's one click away from the home page ffs.

You making a purchase without doing any research is your fault, not Mythics.

Originally posted by Pheace

Skaven = when you are RR65+, when you win the new scenario, when you have the resources, and if one of the 12? slots for skaven on your *realm* is open, then you get a chance of taking a Skaven out to siege the keep until either you die or zone out.

 

They're really just siege engines basically, except you can't break any walls here.

  So much complte ignornace here again for all the world to see , another random poster discredit themselves further by not reading or understanding simple update notes ..

   Having an agenda when you are posting becomes very obvious to folks after a while, at least read and learn about a system

before you post this sort of thing..

     1. You only have to be RR 65 to enter the Incursion ....not spawn them .

      2. you dont have to win to spawn Skaven

      3.you dont have to have all the resources..

       4. Skaven become avaible to all players after they are coerced and any RR can spawn them, and if you zone out your warpstone last 60 minutes you can still take it to other zones..

      5. When coerced Skaven are available to both Realms .. the scenario winner get access 1st and only those folks that won a warpstone in Incursion..after 15 minutes the Skaven are Coerced..

        6.this is a good one .. How many Skaven have you spawned .. none... thats what i thought..., you need to stick to subjects you have knowledge in .. so let me help you..

           7. During Keep takes Skaven are fleshing out to be the most powerful classes on the field , there unique skills can make or break a Keep att/Def when used properly by folks who actually learn how to use them ... They are absolultely nothing like a siege weapon ..Lmao why do you post this garbage ....

          There are only 12 perside because any more would really be overwhleming ,and the reality is most times that would be appraximatley 25-50% of the players in att/def force ..And if you die as one other folks can grab it at  portal and try it out , seems there really is rarely a wait for them if thats what you want to do ...Players are already implacating some very imginative ways to use the Skaven that bring another whole layer of tactics to War ......

   8. and go figure the majority of people that are actually PLAYING War , are enjoying the Skaven....

  As everyone can see your post is wrong on every point you make ... So why post this sort of biased lies , do you think that know one else reads the internet and understands anything ,Stop the hate , go enjoy a game and stop discrediting yourself,  or after a while know one will pay any mind to anything you type.

Originally posted by Mesfenlir

This new patch is chaotic. There is merely info and almost nobody knows what to do in the new rvr system, players run like headless chickens everywhere.

They give us skavens just as a monster play, this is bad but worse is the fact that you can only play them after your faction (thats it the +65rr players) won the day in the new dungeon.

I really want to be wrong but I spent some hours playing today and couldn´t create a skaven for myself because my realm didn´t have the warpstone resources from the dungeon.

If this is correct it would be the last nail in the coffin for many war players.

Wish to hear from you.

P.S I dont like the naked keeps. Its a dps melee class fiesta.

  My only advice is play some more and learn this new system it becomes quite rewarding as you begin to see Skaven make a great differnece on the battlefield ...

  Mods you need to change the title of this thread , as it is completly misleading and untrue ... Thx.

Originally posted by Pheace

Again...

->> You do NOT unlock a race! <<--

It's no different than going to wintergrasp and picking up a siege engine, except here

There's no permanent Skaven anything you get to play. There's no progression.

You win the scenario, you or anyone else who did picks up a Skaven(Max 12 at a time) and uses it to fight till they either die or leave the zone.

 

It's really no different than picking up a temporary Siege Engine in Wintergrasp or whatever in Wow, you just need a few more/different steps to be able to do it.

 

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And @ Above, I believe it's 12 per realm, but I admit I only saw one person mention that limit so I don't know 100% sure if that's correct but Mythic have stated countless times the number of Skaven is limited and twelve for a single keep to siege sounds about right.

 

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Basically if WoW had used ... Fairy skins on their siege engines instead of actual engines then it would have been exactly the same. New Playable Race - Fairies! 4 Different classes! (types of siege engines).

More complete and utter garbage post .. folks you can read thru this thread and find Facts of Skaven mechanics , dont takke 1 word of this biased opinion with an agenda with any merit of truth or knowledge of the Skaven mechanics...As this person obviously knows very little concerning them and has an agenda.

Originally posted by Scorchien

More complete and utter garbage post .. folks you can read thru this thread and find Facts of Skaven mechanics , dont takke 1 word of this biased opinion with an agenda with any merit of truth or knowledge of the Skaven mechanics...As this person obviously knows very little concerning them and has an agenda.

Yes, but the point is still: Why not release Skavens as a full destruction race and then add a order race later?

The whole thing seems kinda half assed to me. Skavens deserves to be a player race.

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Scorchien

More complete and utter garbage post .. folks you can read thru this thread and find Facts of Skaven mechanics , dont takke 1 word of this biased opinion with an agenda with any merit of truth or knowledge of the Skaven mechanics...As this person obviously knows very little concerning them and has an agenda.

Yes, but the point is still: Why not release Skavens as a full destruction race and then add a order race later?

The whole thing seems kinda half assed to me. Skavens deserves to be a player race.

Hmm odd but for somone who has made several posts regarding the fact that it troubles you Mythic didnt do the Lore properly , you now want to request Skaven as a Destro race .. Really the Lore shows tht Skaven hate everyone and have there own agenda much like many of the posters on this site.. So which is it .. You want Warhammer lore or you dont .. im confused or are you..

          The Skaven have been done well imo (as there currnet mechanic), they basically are a mercenary band that can be coerced into service ..

  Ill agrree tho it would have been very cool to see them as a playble class from lvl 1 as a 3rd faction .That plays true to Warhammer lore as Skaven hating all in there path Destro and Order..

     But they also can stil draw from many races to add to Oreder /Destro down the road and hopefully they do ... For now the game has had an explosion of RvR and players as it is extremely active and helluva fun...Hopfully fueling Myhtic with rescources to continue expanding on this great IP...

Originally posted by Scorchien

Hmm odd but for somone who has made several posts regarding the fact that it troubles you Mythic didnt do the Lore properly , you now want to request Skaven as a Destro race .. Really the Lore shows tht Skaven hate everyone and have there own agenda much like many of the posters on this site.. So which is it .. You want Warhammer lore or you dont .. im confused or are you..

          The Skaven have been done well imo (as there currnet mechanic), they basically are a mercenary band that can be coerced into service ..

  Ill agrree tho it would have been very cool to see them as a playble class from lvl 1 as a 3rd faction .That plays true to Warhammer lore as Skaven hating all in there path Destro and Order..

     But they also can stil draw from many races to add to Oreder /Destro down the road and hopefully they do ... For now the game has had an explosion of RvR and players as it is extremely active and helluva fun...Hopfully fueling Myhtic with rescources to continue expanding on this great IP...

Well, that is true, they should have really formed their own side but it is no worse then greenskins and chaos fighting in the same side. I don't see Skavens working for elves no matter what, and since they probably want warpstone in payment I don't see any good one paying them that either.

I could see them work as merc for chaos for a shorter time even if backstabbing would probably be common.

But adding them to destruction would be a lot closer to the original lore than the current idea. 

To all the folks complaining and pulling their hair out why there is no playable Skaven race...

First and foremost, I feel for you.  Back when I played WAR in late 08 & 09 I was hoping that the Skaven and Lizardmen would be the next racial pairing.  Unfortunately as the game's subs continued to plummet (not helped at all by that ridiculous Land of the Dead pve exp) so did EA's enthusiasm for this once promising mmo.  Massive layoffs and corporate transfers of personnel from Mythic to Bioware's KOTOR staff sealed the deal.  Once WAR effectively dropped off the 'smash hit success'  radar EA gave it the red headed stepchild treatment and has since been treating it as a modest cash cow.

Secondly, new races would require a s---t ton of new art and many man hours of testing and balancing, requirements made all the greater if the race relevant T1 - T4 zones were included.  All that stuff that takes time, personnel and money, things Mythic really doesn't have anymore since EA cut them down to size.

This exp pack really illustrates how limited Mythic's budget is nowadays.  Sure, there may be a nice sized expansion pack coming down the pike but I wouldn't bet on it.  The fact that this modest sized Skaven themed 'expansion' is what it is two years after WAR's initial release should tell you to not expect anything more than 'more of the same' until EA finally cancels this thing.

Originally posted by Spinocus

To all the folks complaining and pulling their hair out why there is no playable Skaven race...

First and foremost, I feel for you.  Back when I played WAR in late 08 & 09 I was hoping that the Skaven and Lizardmen would be the next racial pairing.  Unfortunately as the game's subs continued to plummet (not helped at all by that ridiculous Land of the Dead pve exp) so did EA's enthusiasm for this once promising mmo.  Massive layoffs and corporate transfers of personnel from Mythic to Bioware's KOTOR staff sealed the deal.  Once WAR effectively dropped off the 'smash hit success'  radar EA gave it the red headed stepchild treatment and has since been treating it as a modest cash cow.

Secondly, new races would require a s---t ton of new art and many man hours of testing and balancing, requirements made all the greater if the race relevant T1 - T4 zones were included.  All that stuff that takes time, personnel and money, things Mythic really doesn't have anymore since EA cut them down to size.

This exp pack really illustrates how limited Mythic's budget is nowadays.  Sure, there may be a nice sized expansion pack coming down the pike but I wouldn't bet on it.  The fact that this modest sized Skaven themed 'expansion' is what it is two years after WAR's initial release should tell you to not expect anything more than 'more of the same' until EA finally cancels this thing.

 well said....