When I was a kid many decades ago now, back when kids were expected to play outside until dusk, my older brother and I would play this game where he would jump out of a tree on top of me, pin me to the ground and beat the shit out of me with a big stick, then take off running leaving me black, blue, bleeding and wondering how I could get him back for it. You know, the kind of games brothers like to play. Anyone else play that game when they were kids?

Yeah, even that game was way better than FFXIV.

Originally posted by VikingGamer

When I was a kid many decades ago now, back when kids were expected to play outside until dusk, my older brother and I would play this game where he would jump out of a tree on top of me, pin me to the ground and beat the shit out of me with a big stick, then take off running leaving me black, blue, bleeding and wondering how I could get him back for it. You know, the kind of games brothers like to play. Anyone else play that game when they were kids?

Yeah, even that game was way better than FFXIV.

 hahah. We didnt have many toys in my neighborhood and had to work odd jobs to fix our bikes, so we played a similar game. I dont recall if it had a proper name, but could be called 'hitting each other with sticks until someone cried.'

In fact, come to think of it, warhammer is quite like that too. Had a great time this weekend where we basically kept assaulting a keep, despite it being ranked up and well defended, but didn't feel like going anywhere else. I think we actually wont by attrition*, we never had the numbers.

*i.e. 'man that's the 5th oil they've destroyed that I paid for, *cries* f this'

Originally posted by VikingGamer

When I was a kid many decades ago now, back when kids were expected to play outside until dusk, my older brother and I would play this game where he would jump out of a tree on top of me, pin me to the ground and beat the shit out of me with a big stick, then take off running leaving me black, blue, bleeding and wondering how I could get him back for it. You know, the kind of games brothers like to play. Anyone else play that game when they were kids?

Yeah, even that game was way better than FFXIV.

I gained a lot more XP in that game than FF14 but I didnt have any real expectations for FF14 and somehow I was still disappointed in it.

Originally posted by Honeymoon69
yep war with its crashes and bugs after launch still 100x better than FF14, its just sad that I keep waiting for all these new games and they all failed so I am back to War again till GW2 and SWTOR come out.

I remember a Sorc named Honeymoon from way back, was that you? At least, i think it was a Sorc.

Did the high elves ever get their capital city for RvR? (I was pretty upset about that few years ago)

I used to roll High Elves: Sword Master.  Is that still the shittiest tank in the game still? Or are they still heavily armored dps class?

I never bothered to look back since then.

I ditched this game to play Aion, and then I ditched Aion to play IV.  Burned through the content in both games like a wildfire.

I remember this game barely working...as someone else mentioned. 

This thread is cute.  

Originally posted by holdenhamlet

Warhammer is having a thing where you can come back for 2 weeks for free so I started it back up after basically two years off and it's amazing- quests galore, pq quests, scenarios on demand, actual progress and new abilities and items, PVP- just so much to do.

If there's one thing FFXIV has accomplished, it's made every other game look amazing just for "having something to do"... lol...

What about Star Trek Online, surely FFXIV can't be so bad as to make that look good as well?

Originally posted by holdenhamlet

Warhammer is having a thing where you can come back for 2 weeks for free so I started it back up after basically two years off and it's amazing- quests galore, pq quests, scenarios on demand, actual progress and new abilities and items, PVP- just so much to do.

If there's one thing FFXIV has accomplished, it's made every other game look amazing just for "having something to do"... lol...

 LMAO, played FF huh?

Originally posted by bunnyhopper

Originally posted by holdenhamlet

Warhammer is having a thing where you can come back for 2 weeks for free so I started it back up after basically two years off and it's amazing- quests galore, pq quests, scenarios on demand, actual progress and new abilities and items, PVP- just so much to do.

If there's one thing FFXIV has accomplished, it's made every other game look amazing just for "having something to do"... lol...

What about Star Trek Online, surely FFXIV can't be so bad as to make that look good as well?

Actually, it does.  STO's quests were really repetative (not nearly as repetative as FFXIV's leves), but at least there was a bunch of them and there was PVP (i.e. stuff to do), and there was a wide variety of landscapes (more than THREE), and the switch between ship and ground was a cool idea even if not implemented well.

FFXIV really took the genre to a new low by making a game like STO seem good, let alone even acceptable.

Warhammer is still way better with more balanced, fun and extensive PVP and tons of replayability (STO had basically zero replayability).

Originally posted by SoulSurfer

Did the high elves ever get their capital city for RvR? (I was pretty upset about that few years ago)

I used to roll High Elves: Sword Master.  Is that still the shittiest tank in the game still? Or are they still heavily armored dps class?

I never bothered to look back since then.

I ditched this game to play Aion, and then I ditched Aion to play IV.  Burned through the content in both games like a wildfire.

I remember this game barely working...as someone else mentioned. 

This thread is cute.  

 

 

 

 

 

I also remember this game barely working when I left a couple years ago, and was probably leading the flames (if you notice when I like a game I go all out, and the same when I hate I game).

But they did a whole bunch of work on the game since then.  Classes are really balanced well, ORVR is worth doing and pretty fun, lag is gone, they merged servers (although Badlands is the only reliable one- hopefully they'll merge the other three into one and just run on two).

However, they never got in the other cities to my knowledge (I'm only level 28 since the start of this thread so I'm not too knowledgable about end game), and I don't know about Swordmaster.  A heavily armored dps class doesn't sound too bad to me though.

Originally posted by Zookz1

 un-fun as FFXIV.

    This is the main thing right here. 

     I think SE ignored the beta testers because we basically listed every mechanic in the game and told them it was "un-fun". 

    I haven't played Warhammer but maybe the difference was that it had a lot less screwed up machanics and systems in the game and just needed some things tweaked? 

Originally posted by choujiofkono

Originally posted by Zookz1

 un-fun as FFXIV.

    This is the main thing right here. 

     I think SE ignored the beta testers because we basically listed every mechanic in the game and told them it was "un-fun". 

    I haven't played Warhammer but maybe the difference was that it had a lot less screwed up machanics and systems in the game and just needed some things tweaked? 

The thing with Warhammer is it's almost totally about PVP.  PVP when done right (rarely in MMOs) is more fun than PVE because it's not scripted and it all depends on the actions of human beings playing in realtime, so every battle is different, and tactics and choices in battle matter.

There was serious balance issues in Warhmmer a couple years ago.  There was no point in playing against a team with 3 bright wizards for example.  Some CC was totally out of control.  ORVR was not rewarding enough to be worth doing.  They fixed all that though and the game is seriously fun.

The thing that really sank the game was they released on like 30 servers for a population that could fill 10, and for PVP you obviously need people to play against or it doesn't work.  So the population was all spread out and playing on most servers just didn't work as intended. 

They've since merged them down to 4, and could do well by merging them down to 2.  Unfortunately it took them far too long to get over their egos and do that.  Otherwise the game would be doing much better than it is.

I've commented in-game and others agree that if Warhammer could somehow be released today, without all the negativity and mistakes of release, it would be huge.

Originally posted by NightAngell

Vanguard is far better than FFXIV in every way possible.

 

I keep telling people this but they don't believe me.  There's really no reason to play XIV when you can just play XI or Vanguard.

I personally found Warhammers character models terrible, but it has the fun factor missing in XIV. I absolutely love the public quest system.

Originally posted by Obidom

having played WAR through Beta and Launch and FFXIV through Beta and Launch I feel that both games had there good points and bad points.

Comparing a two year old game with a new launched game is jsut plain silly, after all WAR has all those 'updates' that make the game 'richer in content'

 

personally?

I prefer FFXIV over WAR,

 

Me too. FFXIV will be great in time to come... WAR sucked bad...I played for 1 month then quit...

Originally posted by shal.ffxi

Originally posted by Obidom

having played WAR through Beta and Launch and FFXIV through Beta and Launch I feel that both games had there good points and bad points.

Comparing a two year old game with a new launched game is jsut plain silly, after all WAR has all those 'updates' that make the game 'richer in content'

 

personally?

I prefer FFXIV over WAR,

 

Me too. FFXIV will be great in time to come... WAR sucked bad...I played for 1 month then quit...

Well, as for me, I'd rather play a game that I felt was great NOW, not in "time to come". 

FFXIV might be great in a year or two.  Until then I'm certainly not going to play it.