Warhammer is having a thing where you can come back for 2 weeks for free so I started it back up after basically two years off and it's amazing- quests galore, pq quests, scenarios on demand, actual progress and new abilities and items, PVP- just so much to do.

If there's one thing FFXIV has accomplished, it's made every other game look amazing just for "having something to do"... lol...

amen brother!

I got that email too ^^  but haven't went back yet to see how I'd like it after all this time.

Back when I tried Warhammer I had quit ffxi and was looking for a replacement mmo.   At that time, and still do,I judged all games using ffxi as a baseline.  That game just didn't stand up to the ffxi standard so I didn't continue playing. 

I think that's why I was so bummed when I first started playing IV. I was amazed that it too didn't stand up to the ffxi standard, and from the same company no less.  I was floored. I was baffled why they changed so much of the core functions. 

But I'm playing IV and enjoying it.  But ya know it's not the same...the feel of the game isn't the same.  I'm having the same problems with IV that I had for most of the free to play games.  I hate the whole concept of the FtP games. The item shops, the really high level caps, but most of all it was the repeatable daily quests. I always felt that a repeatable quest was just another name for "we don't have enough content so you can do the same thing over and over".  Now here I am doing repeatable quests in a SE game...who'd a thought huh?  I mean most end games are repeatable...sorta....but right from level 1...really?

ffxi was such a hard game to quit...I mean really hard to just walk away from all the hard work I had put into my char.  IV won't be like that at all.  I'm not putting any work into my char at all.  To level, all you do is the daily quests and you'll level up just fine. The crafting in XI used to take some doing.  In IV I've only done the crafting daily quests and my crafting is going along way faster then it did in XI...and it's not costing me a cent.  So yeah, it'll be easy to leave a game that takes so little effort to progress in.

Sadly I won't be going back to warhammer though...been there, done that...but I'm happy to hear you're having fun there. G'luck and maybe give IV a try again after the ps3 release.

Ziggy~

When I complained about the game everybody told me to go back to WoW, so I did. I'm having fun. IMO, XIV is screwed in the west. Between Cataclysm, TOR, GW2, Tera, and TSW there's something for everyone. It won't take much to outshine XIV; a working UI and AH would suffice. Remembering back to all the games I've played I can't think of one that was as un-fun as FFXIV. That's saying something. I had more fun playing that terrible F2P 2d sidescroller Wonderking.

I'm not saying the game is going to die because, let's face it, SE could ship a game that is literally made of human shit, and the SE fans would still buy it. I'm sure a few people (who will remain unamed) would tell me that the shit-game is just not for me, and it has huge potential despite being made of shit.

Originally posted by ziggydawitch

But I'm playing IV and enjoying it.  But ya know it's not the same...the feel of the game isn't the same.  I'm having the same problems with IV that I had for most of the free to play games.  I hate the whole concept of the FtP games. The item shops, the really high level caps, but most of all it was the repeatable daily quests. I always felt that a repeatable quest was just another name for "we don't have enough content so you can do the same thing over and over".  Now here I am doing repeatable quests in a SE game...who'd a thought huh?  I mean most end games are repeatable...sorta....but right from level 1...really?

ffxi was such a hard game to quit...I mean really hard to just walk away from all the hard work I had put into my char.  IV won't be like that at all.  I'm not putting any work into my char at all.  To level, all you do is the daily quests and you'll level up just fine. The crafting in XI used to take some doing.  In IV I've only done the crafting daily quests and my crafting is going along way faster then it did in XI...and it's not costing me a cent.  So yeah, it'll be easy to leave a game that takes so little effort to progress in.

 

Ziggy~

Need to agree with you - particularly those two paragraphs.

It's often said that with FFXIV, SE didn't "pay attention to other MMOs on the market". That's true, though it should be remembered that they didn't "follow popular trends" in FFXI either, such as making the game easier/faster/more hand-holding, etc.. and still made it work. What's baffling to me is that SE didn't even pay attention to *themselves* and what they'd done well with XI.

No, I'm not saying "oh they should have just re-made XI with better graphics. Not at all. That would have annoyed me, frankly.

But there in all the years I've played XI, time and again, people who enjoy the game have cited the same things over and over again regarding what they love about it. It really is as though SE wasn't paying any attention at all... even to their own game.

I'm not going to go into "arm-chair game developer" mode here, but seeing how lacking FFXIV is in content - "things to do" - even for a newly launched game... it really makes me wonder what the hell SE was doing for 5+ years.

Vendor lag is crippling today. The update definately borked something...it feels like closed beta again.

I've re-rolled twice now just to maintain my interest in the game. I think I'm finally done with it.

ffxi was such a hard game to quit...I mean really hard to just walk away from all the hard work I had put into my char.  IV won't be like that at all.  I'm not putting any work into my char at all.  To level, all you do is the daily quests and you'll level up just fine. The crafting in XI used to take some doing.  In IV I've only done the crafting daily quests and my crafting is going along way faster then it did in XI...and it's not costing me a cent.  So yeah, it'll be easy to leave a game that takes so little effort to progress in.

FFXI was a hard game for me to quit too but they made it easier when the Treasures expansion was released and all there was to do was grind for a couple spells and skill points and play a crazy laggy invasion game every once in awhile. 

As for it being easy to level in FFXIV, I'm not finding that to be the case on my mage classes.  If I do the daily leve quests for 2 cities solo, it's not guaranteed I'd get a level (even at lowly level 13 or so) because skill points are so random and they don't happen often with spells.  Basically the best way I could find to solo would be to spam spirit dart, which is glorified auto-attack.  In parties that's the best way for everyone to level, to basically mimic auto-attack on mobs.  That's just insane.  What happened to using all your skills to their full potential and teamwork and coordination that was so great in FFXI?

I could party but then I'd just be a heal-bot (with glorified auto-attack on the side), and the lfg tool isn't useful so it's tricky to get one outside my linkshell.  And with crafting, I mean God, that mini-game is kind of fun for the first 10 levels but after that I'm done with it.  Plus sitting around listening to hammers going and things exploding for hours leveling a craft while hitting the standard synth button just isn't really fun.

And that's it.  That's really all I can do in FFXIV.  I tried creating a gladiator and it is easier to level solo and more fun really on a melee character, but I'm just bored with the game and those same three zones.  I can't believe they really stuck 1-30 in only 3 zones.  WTF were they thinking?

I gave them every benefit of the doubt but at some point you just have to admit they don't know what they're doing.

I'm thinking I might try it again at ps3 release but I really don't know how they can make this game fun with what they've laid as the groundwork.  Barring a total revamp, crafting will still be monotonous and leveling will still be repetative and restricted to 3 zones for months of gametime.

Basically the only thing I think they could do to save the game would be to stick in the old FFXI lfg tool and balance party play, meaning, make it like FFXI, which is exactly what they were trying to avoid.  But really I'm not sure what else they can do that would be any fun with what they have.

having played WAR through Beta and Launch and FFXIV through Beta and Launch I feel that both games had there good points and bad points.

Comparing a two year old game with a new launched game is jsut plain silly, after all WAR has all those 'updates' that make the game 'richer in content'

personally?

I prefer FFXIV over WAR,

ouch

This title is LOLawesome!  

10char

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Originally posted by Obidom
having played WAR through Beta and Launch and FFXIV through Beta and Launch I feel that both games had there good points and bad points.
Comparing a two year old game with a new launched game is jsut plain silly, after all WAR has all those 'updates' that make the game 'richer in content'
 
personally?
I prefer FFXIV over WAR,

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You're missing the point. The comparison isn't over patched content and updated games over time. It's about lack of fun. Something WAR had at launch. Great, you're enjoying FFXIV. Most of us are not, and it's due to lack of stuff to do and a FUN aspect to the game. I really wanted to like FFXIV too, but as the OP says, even Warhammer blows FFXIV out of the water in the FUN department.

Originally posted by Zookz1

When I complained about the game everybody told me to go back to WoW, so I did. I'm having fun.

This is way off topic but I just thought this part of your post was awesome sir.

Vanguard is far better than FFXIV in every way possible.

Originally posted by elocke

 

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Originally posted by Obidom
having played WAR through Beta and Launch and FFXIV through Beta and Launch I feel that both games had there good points and bad points.
Comparing a two year old game with a new launched game is jsut plain silly, after all WAR has all those 'updates' that make the game 'richer in content'
 
personally?
I prefer FFXIV over WAR,

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You're missing the point. The comparison isn't over patched content and updated games over time. It's about lack of fun. Something WAR had at launch. Great, you're enjoying FFXIV. Most of us are not, and it's due to lack of stuff to do and a FUN aspect to the game. I really wanted to like FFXIV too, but as the OP says, even Warhammer blows FFXIV out of the water in the FUN department.

I agree with elocke whole-heartedly.  Stability is one issue, but I played both alpha and beta FFXIV, and the game itself involved more work in the construct of the game than involved enjoyment.  Warhammer wasn't my style, but I did have fun most of the time playing it in beta and the first month or so.

Originally posted by elocke

 

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Originally posted by Obidom
having played WAR through Beta and Launch and FFXIV through Beta and Launch I feel that both games had there good points and bad points.
Comparing a two year old game with a new launched game is jsut plain silly, after all WAR has all those 'updates' that make the game 'richer in content'
 
personally?
I prefer FFXIV over WAR,

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You're missing the point. The comparison isn't over patched content and updated games over time. It's about lack of fun. Something WAR had at launch. Great, you're enjoying FFXIV. Most of us are not, and it's due to lack of stuff to do and a FUN aspect to the game. I really wanted to like FFXIV too, but as the OP says, even Warhammer blows FFXIV out of the water in the FUN department.

Yeah, I agree.  With all the problems WAR had at launch, it was way more fun than FFXIV.  When it comes down to it, the most efficient way to progress in FFXIV is to mimic auto-attack, either solo or in a group, against PVE mobs, with no quests to speak of or any real point.  That's really all there is to the game.

I remember complaining about the quality of WAR's quests on release but at least it had them.  There was a wide plethra of abilities and they were all useful, compared to FFXIV where you get some but they're not very varied, classes are pretty much the same (I mean seriously, the ranged melee dps class doesn't even fight at range), and everyone uses their psuedo-auto-attack ability anyway.  Tons of items and variety.  I can go either way with PVP or PVE, but if you're going to go all PVE, there has to be content.  WAR had way more PVE content at release and it's a hardcore PVP game.

The main problem with WAR at launch is they released WAY too many servers with a game that depends on high server pop.  If they had bit the bullet and merged quicker the game would've done much better.

The main problem with FFXIV is basically everything about the game besides the graphics.

Originally posted by holdenhamlet

Warhammer is having a thing where you can come back for 2 weeks for free so I started it back up after basically two years off and it's amazing- quests galore, pq quests, scenarios on demand, actual progress and new abilities and items, PVP- just so much to do.

If there's one thing FFXIV has accomplished, it's made every other game look amazing just for "having something to do"... lol...

Are you on Badlands!?!?

Originally posted by Comnitus

Originally posted by holdenhamlet

Warhammer is having a thing where you can come back for 2 weeks for free so I started it back up after basically two years off and it's amazing- quests galore, pq quests, scenarios on demand, actual progress and new abilities and items, PVP- just so much to do.

If there's one thing FFXIV has accomplished, it's made every other game look amazing just for "having something to do"... lol...

Are you on Badlands!?!?

Yeah actually I am.  I have a 30 Black Orc and I just started a 10 DOK.  I have a 33 engineer on another server.

Does anyone even give FF14 much of a chance?

I know I didn't last longer than a few days just because of the horrid controls. The game itself could be the best MMO out there but I doubt many people even get to see most of the game with how horrible it plays on a PC without a controller.

Originally posted by Mmocount

Does anyone even give FF14 much of a chance?

 

I know I didn't last longer than a few days just because of the horrid controls. The game itself could be the best MMO out there but I doubt many people even get to see most of the game with how horrible it plays on a PC without a controller.

I gave it a whole big fat chance.  The thing is toast.