Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by RendRegen

Originally posted by Ethian

Things arnt looking grim for Aion...you only see the whiners and complainers here posting while the players enjoying the game are....you guessed it...ingame!! LOL

Replace Aion with WAR and you have november 2008.

 

I have to agree with this, that's just a dumb argument and the exact same thing was used for WAR back then.

 

Yup. It sounds very familiar.

Originally posted by Astralglide

Originally posted by DillingerEP

Mythic has already, dug their grave with Warhammer. It's quite possible people will be hopping back. But they will quickly be reminded why they left in the first place. Mythic hasn't gone to great leap's and bound's to improve this game. The performance issue has been worked on, a good deal. But there's to many design flaw's they can't do anything about. Certain aspect's of the game will continue to suffer with Mythic behind the wheel.

What Warhammer is and worth now, it's how it will be for the rest of it's day's. Theres no comeback story for it, it will continue to pass along quitely as that game that could've been something.

Yeah, I went back for exactly 18 days. It was a total graveyard. I haven't played Aion yet, but it can't really be compared to WAR because I haven't heard the same kind of uproar from the players as was heard after that abortion called Warhammer was released

I think people were excited about Warhammer in the first few weeks. It had alot of features that, at the time were a hugely refreshing change to the WoW crowd that ported over. PvP from level one, leveling via PvP, PQs, and the first 2 tiers have never been a problem in Warhammer. The novelty wore off of course, and people naturally became dissatisfied when the failings of the game shone through. The first couple of weeks were mostly positive though.

But besides Warhammer needs to stop focusing so much on other games and get its own house in order. That's a big part of what initially got this game into the mess it's currently in.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by RendRegen

Originally posted by Ethian

Things arnt looking grim for Aion...you only see the whiners and complainers here posting while the players enjoying the game are....you guessed it...ingame!! LOL

Replace Aion with WAR and you have november 2008.

 

I have to agree with this, that's just a dumb argument and the exact same thing was used for WAR back then.

 

 

Yup. It sounds very familiar.

Replace Aion with WoW, and it also sounds very familiar. Just the nature of the beast really. It doesn't mean a thing. We're gonna have to wait a month or 2 further (first month is up) before saying whether Aion will fail in the West or not.

Based on what I've noticed one month in though, there isn't a hint that things are looking grim for Aion, on the contrary, there seems to be as much people playing as ever.

why would anybody go back to WAR? that game failed because of a myriad of badness. bad engine, bad net code, bad servers, bad CS, bad company

nothing will ever be able to fix war short of scrapping it and starting again

Originally posted by Electriceye

Replace Aion with WoW, and it also sounds very familiar. Just the nature of the beast really. It doesn't mean a thing. We're gonna have to wait a month or 2 further (first month is up) before saying whether Aion will fail in the West or not.

Based on what I've noticed one month in though, there isn't a hint that things are looking grim for Aion, on the contrary, there seems to be as much people playing as ever.

WoW players didn't have the option to return to WoW. That is an option for beginners of all new MMOs.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Electriceye

Replace Aion with WoW, and it also sounds very familiar. Just the nature of the beast really. It doesn't mean a thing. We're gonna have to wait a month or 2 further (first month is up) before saying whether Aion will fail in the West or not.

Based on what I've noticed one month in though, there isn't a hint that things are looking grim for Aion, on the contrary, there seems to be as much people playing as ever.

WoW players didn't have the option to return to WoW. That is an option for beginners of all new MMOs.

 

Irrelevant.

Lemme help, replacing Aion with WoW would give this:

"Things arnt looking grim for WoW...you only see the whiners and complainers here posting while the players enjoying the game are....you guessed it...ingame!! LOL"

This is said of every MMO in history and It doesn't mean a thing. THAT was my point.

If you so desperately want the game to fail in NA/EU you gotta wait a month or two to know the verdict.

Originally posted by Electriceye

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Electriceye

Replace Aion with WoW, and it also sounds very familiar. Just the nature of the beast really. It doesn't mean a thing. We're gonna have to wait a month or 2 further (first month is up) before saying whether Aion will fail in the West or not.

Based on what I've noticed one month in though, there isn't a hint that things are looking grim for Aion, on the contrary, there seems to be as much people playing as ever.

WoW players didn't have the option to return to WoW. That is an option for beginners of all new MMOs.

 

Irrelevant.

 

Lemme help, replacing Aion with WoW would give this:

"Things arnt looking grim for WoW...you only see the whiners and complainers here posting while the players enjoying the game are....you guessed it...ingame!! LOL"

This is said of every MMO in history and It doesn't mean a thing. THAT was my point.

If you so desperately want the game to fail in NA/EU you gotta wait a month or two to know the verdict.

I don't remember that argument ever being used much to defend WoW. There's been discontent, but not on the level that there was with WAR and to a lesser extent there is currently with Aion.

I agree though that the statement itself is completely irrelevant.

Originally posted by Amarok44

Originally posted by Electriceye

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Electriceye

Replace Aion with WoW, and it also sounds very familiar. Just the nature of the beast really. It doesn't mean a thing. We're gonna have to wait a month or 2 further (first month is up) before saying whether Aion will fail in the West or not.

Based on what I've noticed one month in though, there isn't a hint that things are looking grim for Aion, on the contrary, there seems to be as much people playing as ever.

WoW players didn't have the option to return to WoW. That is an option for beginners of all new MMOs.

 

Irrelevant.

 

Lemme help, replacing Aion with WoW would give this:

"Things arnt looking grim for WoW...you only see the whiners and complainers here posting while the players enjoying the game are....you guessed it...ingame!! LOL"

This is said of every MMO in history and It doesn't mean a thing. THAT was my point.

If you so desperately want the game to fail in NA/EU you gotta wait a month or two to know the verdict.

I don't remember that argument ever being used much to defend WoW. There's been discontent, but not on the level that there was with WAR and to a lesser extent there is currently with Aion.

I agree though that the statement itself is completely irrelevant.

I remember the complaints about the massive queues, bots, bugs, grind (GRIND! lol) at WoW's launch. There were a lot of mad people moaning, hating and bitching on the forums about the game and Blizzard.

I also remember this same exact statement being used to shut the naysayers up, let's be frank: It's one of those "fanboi" (I hate the term) signature sentences like the "go back to WoW" etc. nowadays.

However most of the complaints were not related to game play itself, unlike WAR which is fundamentally flawed IMO.

Aion on the other hand is closer to WoW in that most people are dissing NCsoft (bots, gold spammers, customer service, GMs etc.) and not the game play itself. It does have it's fair share of problems as well (siege crashes on 64bit OSystems, a single starter zone...), but up until now at least, It doesn't seem like it will follow in WAR and AoC's footsteps which were severely flawed at launch (and even now to a lesser extent).

It's true there was bitching and moaning when WoW came out, but it wasn't exactly the lynch mob mentality we're seeing on the various Aion forums. I think with WoW it was more of a general dissatifaction at not being able to play, rather than moaning about the game itself.

Originally posted by RendRegen

It's true there was bitching and moaning when WoW came out, but it wasn't exactly the lynch mob mentality we're seeing on the various Aion forums. I think with WoW it was more of a general dissatifaction at not being able to play, rather than moaning about the game itself.

That is how I recall it as well, which was rather odd as there were some pretty bad issues with game itself and featurewise the game was rather simplistic, then again so were all the other games back then.

 But grind in Aion is really a grind as it has slow paced combat.

Even though Aion did not do it for me that does not mean things look grim. Aion has a very long life ahea of it. It is huge in Asia so even if it bombs in U.S. (man this has been said, already, over 100x on here....its getting too redundant) the game will still be around. A lot of games will still be around then too. It is mostly the public that makes it seem like an MMO will die. UO is still around. Even if a MMO has 100k people playing think about that math; it can still last for awhile. As for WAR. I still dig it. I like AoC about the same but I chose WAR more only because of the RvR. But no...nothing is looking grim...dropoffs -always- happen with a new MMO a month later, no matter what the MMO is they happen; not because they suck but because it might not cater to a certain demographic.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by RendRegen

It's true there was bitching and moaning when WoW came out, but it wasn't exactly the lynch mob mentality we're seeing on the various Aion forums. I think with WoW it was more of a general dissatifaction at not being able to play, rather than moaning about the game itself.

 

The lynch mentality clearly comes from the wrong hype with which Aion was sold to the community in the west.

It had a supposed 3.5 M Asian subscribers (a plain lie) and it "killed" WOW in the east (at a time when WOW was forbidden in China for 7 weeks).

That sentence above made people curious. Now it backfiires.

Add to this the obvious fact that AIon (together with AdD on line) has a HUGE oversampling on Xfire, tx to the NCSoft cooperation and  "selling" of the game with Xfire installed (!) on the Xfire website is making people angry.

What? IS this ALL there is to take us by the nose? IS this the state of the industry anno 2009?

Killing 9000 PVE monsters to level from 40 to 41 needing .... 40.000.000 and 1 experience points to reach to a new level where you'll need 42.000.000 and 2 experience points ?

It is quite obvious why a lot of people take out that rope....

Now I don't really post much on mmo forums, but I do read them from time to time for entertainment purposes.

First, you guys are playing mmos and complaining about the grind, it's just hilarious.  Hell the game you love and dream about every second of the day even has something called a DAILY quest.  That is the pure definition of grind.  Mmos = grinding.  Whether the game is made by developers in the east that ask you to kill 'X' amount of mobs/players or it's Blizzard that gives you an achievement for running a dungeon 1,000,000 times, it is all grind. 

Now you seem to have this need to stick up for a company and a video game to such a degree, and then throw garbage at virtually every other developer in existence, I can not take you seriously as you are way too bias.   If you had played other games, and said ok I like this and dislike this other part, I would give you credit.   However, I have read many of your posts and they summerize down to, "Blizzard is the best, WoW will always be on top of sales until the end of days, and your game sucks b/c it's not WoW.

It was amusing at first, but after seeing the pattern it's just sad/annoying.

What the hell happened to video gamers that woulld play games, simply b/c they are video games?  Now it's all about "my game beats yours".  Your Xfire numbers are FAKE!!! My games XFIRE numbers are for REAL!!! It doesn't get more pathetic than that.

It doesn't mean Warhammer will prosper just because Aion is craptastic int he NA/EU. After these past 2 abysmal years in mmo gaming many have stayed away from mmos. Only ones left are the true diehards. I personally waiting for Guild Wars 2, Torchlight MMO and The Old Republic.

Yah you're right I'm playing Torchlight right now, it seems more fun than current MMOs.

Originally posted by Pheace

"on top of that... if any of you played DAOC.. Mythic thrives on RVR for end game... and most who complained about WAR never played daoc or truly knowsmythics history... RVR is its end game.. yet so many complained thats not enough... "

 

 

Aaahahahahahahah

 

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HAHAHAHAHAHA

 

 

Oh my god did he just seriously say that? yes i did, at least you comprehended that rest not so sure about

 

Come over to the VNboards, basically the Daoc stronghold of ex-daoc players and try and say that. It's exactly the Daoc players that were so hugely disappointed with WAR's endgame, because it's just a sad version compared to what Daoc was.

dont need to.. i played daoc since 2001 and i think most of those same players forgot what daoc FRONTIERS  use to be like... it was exactly like warhammer... it wasnt till they came out with NEW FRONTIERS is what they are use to... dont you think mythic is smart enough to know that later down the road they will want to add improvements to keep players refreshed with something new in game... just like what they did with NEW FRONTIERS.. .

see this is where all those players are shortsighted.. they wanted daoc2.. not warhammer...thats the difference.

so yeah i will say it again too...

warhammer is a great game now after the new patch improving lots of stuff.  I am seeing more and more in the future.  It will take time.  but in the end this game will still be fun.

Originally posted by Plaidpants

Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by Plaidpants

Originally posted by tryklon

 Aion looking grim? The servers are full of ppl and the first 30 days are already gone.... lol

This one is dead, and no use in trying to make ppl believe it will suddenly come to life because in your head "things are looking grim for Aion"... even because Aion RvR is 1000000000 times better than in WAR, and ive been there

 

Certainly is not - and I'm not subbed to either anymore.

Aion will dwindle just like WAR did after release. Tons of people have already quit. Now it will just slowly, but steadily decline.

 

here are the servers today at 17,45h....   enough said

 

Hahaha - what's your point? Tons of people have unsubbed after the free month ran out whether you choose to believe it or not.

I never said it was going to be abandoned over night - but you chose  to ignore that fact. And like I said - I am subbed to neither game - but have played WAR previously as well as Aion and went ahead and unsubbed. Work on the reading comp.

And I got a good "lol" from you posting the server capacity - the game can change that number to their liking anytime they want.

As someone who actually plays Aion on mulitiple servers, I'll just clarify to all those who are discussing but not playing the game.  It is a busy, friendly user base will loads of players still running round enjoying the world in the first payed month.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by RendRegen

It's true there was bitching and moaning when WoW came out, but it wasn't exactly the lynch mob mentality we're seeing on the various Aion forums. I think with WoW it was more of a general dissatifaction at not being able to play, rather than moaning about the game itself.

 

The lynch mentality clearly comes from the wrong hype with which Aion was sold to the community in the west.

It had a supposed 3.5 M Asian subscribers (a plain lie) and it "killed" WOW in the east (at a time when WOW was forbidden in China for 7 weeks).

That sentence above made people curious. Now it backfiires.

Add to this the obvious fact that AIon (together with AdD on line) has a HUGE oversampling on Xfire, tx to the NCSoft cooperation and  "selling" of the game with Xfire installed (!) on the Xfire website is making people angry.

What? IS this ALL there is to take us by the nose? IS this the state of the industry anno 2009?

Killing 9000 PVE monsters to level from 40 to 41 needing .... 40.000.000 and 1 experience points to reach to a new level where you'll need 42.000.000 and 2 experience points ?

It is quite obvious why a lot of people take out that rope....

umm wrong about china closing down WOW for 7 weeks.  Actually they passed a law to disallow minors in their country to play games that have killing.  that is all... in fact i know of 5 americans who are in china that still play WOW china.  and there are roughly 5-6 million WOW players in China by the way.

and to the others talking about GRIND... grind meaning it is more then usual gameplay... meaning yes you can grind quests in an NCSOFT game why because the grind they do is not a typical North american MMO grind.  its far worse.. its teh way the koreans like it.  Hell they toned it down for North americans and its still too grindy

Originally posted by mightyikari
 

As someone who actually plays Aion on mulitiple servers, I'll just clarify to all those who are discussing but not playing the game.  It is a busy, friendly user base will loads of players still running round enjoying the world in the first payed month.

forums tells all of who has left man... doesnt matter really... you are saying this in the warhammer forum...

facts are stil facts... its a korean game by NCSOFT which makes nothing but grindy games that take forever to get to top level....

its the way ALL their games are.

Lineage, Lineage 2 come to the top of the list as most grindy

Originally posted by willvas

facts are stil facts... its a korean game by NCSOFT which makes nothing but grindy games that take forever to get to top level....

its the way ALL their games are.

Lineage, Lineage 2 come to the top of the list as most grindy

Guild Wars was NCsoft.

Originally posted by mightyikari

Originally posted by willvas

facts are stil facts... its a korean game by NCSOFT which makes nothing but grindy games that take forever to get to top level....

its the way ALL their games are.

Lineage, Lineage 2 come to the top of the list as most grindy

 

Guild Wars was NCsoft.

and they made lineage and lineage 2... which is super grindy... whats your point?