Originally posted by mr138

Nah it's too late for WAR. MMO's only get 1 shot, and that's at release. If it left a bad taste (and WAR did) then that's it. AOC and Vanguard both made a ton of improvements, but it's too little too late.

that ^^ is a very true coment.

Anyways...

Bioware will be more interested in their own game and will be happy to get lessons from games like WAR and VG etc on what not to do when releasing a game so hopefully Old Republic is a success. Oh and EA/Mythic should  take the hint from so many players and start working on Daoc 2.

No, why would I take a chance in them screwing up a good game?

Originally posted by mr138

Nah it's too late for WAR. MMO's only get 1 shot, and that's at release. If it left a bad taste (and WAR did) then that's it. AOC and Vanguard both made a ton of improvements, but it's too little too late.

Nah games can have second chances EVE is an example of that, however games that manage to came back never really reach there full potential sub wise. WAR could become the best game on the market yet because of all the bad word of mouth it'll more than likely never see more than a few 100k subs.

Originally posted by syztec

Originally posted by mr138

Nah it's too late for WAR. MMO's only get 1 shot, and that's at release. If it left a bad taste (and WAR did) then that's it. AOC and Vanguard both made a ton of improvements, but it's too little too late.

that ^^ is a very true coment.

Anyways...

Bioware will be more interested in their own game and will be happy to get lessons from games like WAR and VG etc on what not to do when releasing a game so hopefully Old Republic is a success. Oh and EA/Mythic should  take the hint from so many players and start working on Daoc 2.

Agreed with both. Will not be back to WAR.

Dark Age 2 yes. If it resembles WAR or WoW and not the original im out. Forever.

To liquidwolf, here is a link off the site i went to: http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-5353-MMORPG-Examiner~y2009m6d24-Mark-Jacobs-has-left-the-EA-building . As its actually Sanya posting, I think she would know better then most. :)

I also cannot get the main page to load, which tells me 1 of 2 things: 1) they braught it down for updates or from peoples spamming the forums. or 2) updating to a new site. /shrug   Let's hope it's a positive thing.

Originally posted by Kremlik

Much like AoC, a change of head could be not 'the end' but a 'reboot'

Now 'techically' Bioware own WAR and the Warhammer Fantasy IP - it's no shock that EA chose to do this 'merge' after LoTD - It's opening the door for a chance to 'reboot' the game. With this 'what if?' IF BW came along and listed what they wanted to change in the game to keep it running with the next 'live expanson'/Retail Expanson, would anyone anyactally considering returning/continuing?

No reboot can save WAR. WAR is over and out.

WAR's designed is flawed at it's core. The engine is a shambles. They would have to rewrite the whole game to fix all the mess that is current WAR.

Ain't ever gonna happen. Hence the reason Mark could take a hike.

Mythic had a chance to make something great with the Warhammer IP and they blew it.! Simple as that! And all because they were constantly drooling over WoW and turned it into a horrible boring, bland and unimaginative game, instead of taking the best out of their own game DAoC and used that as foundation.

Cheers

Originally posted by DeathTouch

Nothing but morons and speculation run rampant any more, its sickening. NO WHERE does this post from EA say that he was canned, left under duress, or that he wanted to take a vacation from the MMO world. Stop putting your words into a company's mouth.

Listen kid, some of us are out in the real world and know very well how corporate bureaucracies work.  Actions speak louder than words.  No matter what Bioware or EA says, the actions are clear:

1)  Lead Dev of Mythic is gone

2)  Bioware heads are in charge

The last thing you want to listen to is corporate BS when the opposite of what is said is happening.  The fact that Mythic & Bioware are merged into some new group hints to the speculation that Mythic will be gutted for Bioware's new MMO.

As I have stated, this is a standard corporate tactic.  No, it's not good.  Good would have been Marc Jacobs being replaced without the structural changes.  Like Funcom did with AoC.  Not doing some corporate re-shuffling and throwing the studio under the heads of a competing studio.

Bioware co-founders may have the best intentions and even want to fix Warhammer but their priorities are their own games, first & foremost.  EA throwing Mythic under Bioware means that they are concerned about salvaging Mythic's talent and not salvaging Warhammer.

Originally posted by skeaser

Originally posted by Hydroblunt

Originally posted by skeaser

Step 1. Delete Scenarios

Step 2. ???

Step 3. Profit

 

I dunno, scenarios in WAR were very well implemented.  In terms of content, the problem were city sieges (the wonderful end-game).

Say what you want, but in terms of RvR and mass PvP MMOs, Warhammer is the best out there.  Which is why when I first played it I saw the great potential.  It was a blast.

It would be great to see WAR fixed up but I think the best course at this point may be to leverage WAR into a new MMO that is RvR/PvP focused.  I would definitely try it out.

 

I agree scenarios are very well done, so well done that I can't find a group for PvE, PQ and RvR is dead at low level. I personally think this game would be sooooo much better if people leveled through the game, not just click SC, wait, play, repeat. BORING. 

All depends on the server.  I was on Dark Crag, I rarely had any problems either doing a PQ with a group, getting scenario pop or jumping into a RvR warband.  The population was high enough for all three to be going on.  If I was in solo mode, I would do quests or grind PQ rep while in queue for scenarios.

As I have stated, Warhammer showed amazing potential.  But as predicted by the level 40s, once you get to Tier 4, the game loses most of its edge.  Still, in terms of mass RvR/PvP, there is no better game out there.

Possibly but first impressions are the strongest and that is why polished is the key to a sucessful MMO.

mm at this point this game have only one option and its to forget p2p model

why?the folks that p2p this game got already burned and bad mounthed this game enough to last a long time

that being said if they lowered min.system req to the min of silkroad without getting rid of the max they already got

plus made this game f2p ,a la ddo .they would probably makes ton of money

right now whats against them is the min system req its too high witch leave the biggest chunk of player out

you got to remember p2p is a very small market compared to f2p

if f2p wasnt a good system nexon would have quited a long time ago same for joymax and all the other

who are in the f2p

if they dont change this game to be avail to those who already can play silkroad

and if they dont go the f2p route

then this game will die soon

even wow is trying to add various ways to supplement  p2p

i bet if blizzard could do it all over again they would probably have went the f2p route like they intended when they made this game

dungeon and dragon online will be succes they ll have p2p and f2p store base system

and if they support from very low system to say biggest single gpu computer

customer wont be a problem .

most game right now just support new system but ignore all the other customer who have old computer witch is the one that would make their game popular very few player can afford computer newer then 5 year old in the world

and most game support only 4 year and newer and thats where they make the biggest mistake

add to that that if  they support it you got to be an accrobat to activate the feature and you got a game that fail before even being turned on lol

Originally posted by Hydroblunt

Originally posted by DeathTouch

Nothing but morons and speculation run rampant any more, its sickening. NO WHERE does this post from EA say that he was canned, left under duress, or that he wanted to take a vacation from the MMO world. Stop putting your words into a company's mouth.

 

Listen kid, some of us are out in the real world and know very well how corporate bureaucracies work.  Actions speak louder than words.  No matter what Bioware or EA says, the actions are clear:

1)  Lead Dev of Mythic is gone

2)  Bioware heads are in charge

The last thing you want to listen to is corporate BS when the opposite of what is said is happening.  The fact that Mythic & Bioware are merged into some new group hints to the speculation that Mythic will be gutted for Bioware's new MMO.

As I have stated, this is a standard corporate tactic.  No, it's not good.  Good would have been Marc Jacobs being replaced without the structural changes.  Like Funcom did with AoC.  Not doing some corporate re-shuffling and throwing the studio under the heads of a competing studio.

Bioware co-founders may have the best intentions and even want to fix Warhammer but their priorities are their own games, first & foremost.  EA throwing Mythic under Bioware means that they are concerned about salvaging Mythic's talent and not salvaging Warhammer.

Please give me a link that confirms that Mythic was "PUT UNDER" BW.

I am playing right now and I am having a great time. If bioware put there hands on War I hope it brings good things. So to answer the OPs question then Yes. Plus someone made a comment about "kids". Are you serious? You are as much of a kid as all of us are. You write on a gaming forums and Don't bring age into this lol.

If they just simply added a third realm, then it would be a great game.

They would have to literally trash everything WAR is now, and make up something completely new.

Originally posted by Brif

If they just simply added a third realm, then it would be a great game.

I dont know if it is simple...but i agree that a 3rd realm would have helped this game soooooo much.

im not sure whats going on here...games workshop owns warhammer ip...not bioware, and mythic made the damn warhammer mmo...not bioware. so wtf are you on about?

Originally posted by jayheld90

im not sure whats going on here...games workshop owns warhammer ip...not bioware, and mythic made the damn warhammer mmo...not bioware. so wtf are you on about?

That's quite apparent :)

Originally posted by jayheld90

im not sure whats going on here...games workshop owns warhammer ip...not bioware, and mythic made the damn warhammer mmo...not bioware. so wtf are you on about?

You must have the attention-span of a peanut or have been severely misinformed.

Ray Muzyka, once CEO of Bioware, is now the Manager of... a good chunk of EA's stuff. So what this discussion thread is about is the slight possibility that since WAR has been a bit of a letdown in attracting crowds... Ray can easily negotiate and call the shot to reboot Mythic's subpar renditions of GW's product.