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WAR (Warhammer Online) Forum » General Discussion » new patch releasing monday looks pretty good for WAR

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  MaxJac

Novice Member

Joined: 1/06/12
Posts: 185

12/02/12 12:19:04 PM#21
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by zasd
This game is way past its prime, EA killed it....

No, they didnt. Mythic killed it already before EA came in. Mythic should have made DaoC 2 and stayed away from this IP.

Warhammer should be made by Warhammer fans and used mechancis from the brilliant Warhammer fantasy RPG to bring a well made world together.

I would be surprised if anyone at Mythic played more than maybe a little Bloodbowl, Warhammer have millions of fans and the MMO should have been made for them instead of an attemp to take Wows players.

Mythic did one thing right: Altdorf and onlyy because GW told them that they would pull the license unless they revamped it right (supposedly it was nothing like Altdorf before that, just a standard small and badly made town).

Of course revamping Altdorf took all the resources they planned to use on the 4 other capital cities that they instead scrapped which destroyed the intended endgame and doomed the game altogether, but already when I read Marc Jacobs introduction to the game years before launch I relaized that they never should have gotten the license in the first place.

Mythic already had a good IP, they should have stayed with it.

How do you know that the team were not fans of Warhammer? Obviously neither you nor I can measure this, so I don't think you should draw your own conclusions because what came out is not what you think fans would have made. It sounds like you would prefer they made the game more like one section of the Warhammer universe, Fantasy/Tabletop. There is nothing wrong with that, but I don't think the path they took was wrong either. It simply should have been more refined at launch, the bugs were far too many.

I am interested in knowing your source in regards to an Altdorf revamp.

  GoodAfternoon

Novice Member

Joined: 3/23/08
Posts: 251

12/02/12 12:25:01 PM#22
Originally posted by cronius77
Originally posted by Arezon
Originally posted by zasd
This game is way past its prime, EA killed it....

Probably a combination of EA and the developers. WAR wasn't a very good game to begin with.

warhammers population left the game over class balance issues , they still have a huge end game of taking capitol cities and relic fortresses. Its has almost the same exact end game as DAOC , people left over the lack of balance changes to classes like bright wizards the first few months of release. I was there from beta up until about 2010. Went back a few times since then.

Speak for yourself

I left because the scenarios weren't that fun, and RvR wasn't that fun either.

The PvP was good, but combat alone can't carry a game.

I hated the instanced feeling where you couldn't walk from one zone to another. 

 

Rift

  Azaqin

Novice Member

Joined: 6/30/12
Posts: 65

12/02/12 12:37:09 PM#23
I walked away from it back when they charged me 27 subscription fees in one day and it took 2 weeks to get my money back. It's a good game, but I can't do business with a company like that, especially when it's not the first time it happened.
  tawess

Elite Member

Joined: 3/24/05
Posts: 1998

12/02/12 12:57:43 PM#24
from my pov it was two games that have been stiched together and neither got the time in development it needed. Both came out half finished and both sufferd for it.

Tomas Soapbox

This have been a good conversation

  ShakyMo

Apprentice Member

Joined: 11/21/11
Posts: 7246

12/02/12 1:49:45 PM#25
Surely most daoc fans are in ps2. It's much closer to daoc rvr than war or gw2.
  User Deleted
12/02/12 1:55:45 PM#26
Originally posted by Azaqin
I walked away from it back when they charged me 27 subscription fees in one day and it took 2 weeks to get my money back.

Ouch!

Something similar happened to me last week at a restaurant. They guy said he couldn't get my card to read but he was actually charging me each time. I discovered it the next day when I had 23 charges for 28.64 in my bank register.

Thankfully, the bank fixed it in two days.

OK...back OT...

  cronius77

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/26/12
Posts: 1308

 
OP  12/02/12 1:57:17 PM#27
i do not find PS2 anything like DAOC other than capturing structures and persistant battles . Its a shooter and not a very good one at that other than to a few hardcore fans on this site.  Also alterac valley comments really? a instance? WAR has persistant battlegrounds so thats a BS statement right there . WAR zones flipped back after a couple of hours yes , but it was far from not persistant as it was battlefield objectives and homelands only . The middle zones stayed contested . Its so funny on this site because its pretty clear not many people here actually got to tier 4 making comments about how it was wow. About the only thing wow and WAR really shared in common was linear questing and a similiar interface. War had a complete pvp system based around renoun gain just like realm points in DAOC persistant realm vs realm zones. You could completely level up without touching pve zones , you had public quests which both rift and GW2 ripped off of . I can keep on going so comments about wow shows the maturity of some of you guys here seriously.
  azzamasin

Elite Member

Joined: 6/06/12
Posts: 2743

We live in a fantasy world, a world of illusion. The great task in life is to find reality.

12/02/12 2:15:37 PM#28
Originally posted by cronius77
Originally posted by Arezon
Originally posted by zasd
This game is way past its prime, EA killed it....

Probably a combination of EA and the developers. WAR wasn't a very good game to begin with.

warhammers population left the game over class balance issues , they still have a huge end game of taking capitol cities and relic fortresses. Its has almost the same exact end game as DAOC , people left over the lack of balance changes to classes like bright wizards the first few months of release. I was there from beta up until about 2010. Went back a few times since then.

I left because the game wasnt very polished.  From the horrid character animations, combat animations and fluidity of movment to the PQ's not being incentivized enough by the population.  I tell you this today, like Rift, if both of these games went full on head over heels into their PQ and Rift design and shuddered that horrid WoW quest hub design then both games would of been more popular.  Linearity has killed more games for me then I dare to count.  Linearity is the realm of consoles and single player games, MMO's should not have anything linear about it except a progression from 1 to level cap, everythign else should foster freedom and exploration.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  Yizle

Novice Member

Joined: 4/24/10
Posts: 530

12/02/12 3:59:13 PM#29
Originally posted by Arezon
Originally posted by zasd
This game is way past its prime, EA killed it....

Probably a combination of EA and the developers. WAR wasn't a very good game to begin with.

Actually it was a very good game in the begining. Bad patches and horridly unbalanced classes. Inept devs I would say also as some of their changes made 0 sense.

  Rockard

Apprentice Member

Joined: 12/02/12
Posts: 21

12/02/12 5:30:41 PM#30

Say what you want about WAR,imo nothing comes even close when it comes to open world PvP.

And no, I don't like 3 faction PvP.Even if I'm the underdog and getting zerged.

I've never stayed in a game for as long as I stayed in WAR and there was a good reason for that.

Loved the lore.

Loved the artwork,still the best i've seen.

Loved the maps,the zones.

Loved the concept of each class not being just a simple mirror and loved the faction specific classes. Still the best.

I even liked it's dungeons,PvE,and the public quests,that GW2 is re serving with a little bit of

stardust as inovation and dynamic(my @ss).

The only serious contender to WARs PvP, GW2 just can't give me the same feeling.Not because it is that bad.But because

it's PvP is detached from the game world.And because there are no factions and everyone plays the same classes.

Way too politicaly correct.

No instanced map,no matter how big it is,can replace the feeling of WAR is everywhere.

But there is also good reasons why I left.

-No matter how fun it was,the game was seriously underdeveloped.

-Bugs everywhere,that were getting fixed at a very slow pace,So sssllooowwwlllyy.Slower than slow.

-Class imbalances.That was really a suicide for a game that relied that much on PvP.

 I doubt  the devs ever played the game and got a taste of their awesome "class balancing via metrics/if metrics say

 it's ok then it is"

-Lack of new content.Basically after Land of the Dead there was nothing significant added to the game.

 No..rat people don't count.

-The janitor(think his name was Bob) and the famous rat that spins the server wheels.

-L l llL L AAA  aa aaaAAA  aa GG Gggg.The janitor always forgot to  feed the rat.True story.

-The removal of many cool features,like guild keep claiming.WAR devs hold the record for "removing more features than those you add in a game"

-Gear/renown grind .Insane.I left with just 700k remaning to hit 100.Fed up,and dispair,comes to mind.

-EA.The largest assortment of dumb@###s the world has ever seen.Instead of spending money to fix WAR,

 they went on to spend 10 times that much,for the greatest fail in MMO history.And guess what.

 WAR is still the best MMO they've got.

I play Rift atm,but I would seriously consider coming back.But only if the game get's some love and serious attention.

WAAAAAGHHH

  ShakyMo

Apprentice Member

Joined: 11/21/11
Posts: 7246

12/02/12 6:10:55 PM#31
While I agree war is a much much better mmo than swtor. It's not the best mmo property ea have, that would be daoc or uo.
  Ewanis

Apprentice Member

Joined: 2/02/04
Posts: 38

12/02/12 6:20:12 PM#32
One of best pvp focused games ever, i will return to it next week to see the new patch, and level my 97 shamie to 100.
  Darklotus79

Novice Member

Joined: 9/09/12
Posts: 61

12/02/12 6:26:19 PM#33
Loved WAR ! The RvR was a blast...but  to little to late the population is almost non existent. Only way to save it now is going F2p the sooner they realize that the better.
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  cronius77

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/26/12
Posts: 1308

 
OP  12/02/12 7:56:30 PM#34
Originally posted by Darklotus79
Loved WAR ! The RvR was a blast...but  to little to late the population is almost non existent. Only way to save it now is going F2p the sooner they realize that the better.

this i totally agree with and the game being broken down into tiers there is so many options to really turn it into a free to play title and help population. Im willing to bet right now that if it went free to play they would have to open up new servers again for the shear disappointment that guild wars 2 and swtor pvp brought to the table with their so called hyped up releases. I want to see war live again but until it has a population its going to be hard to push. But on a possitive note Mythic is hiring again so there do not hire unless they are up to something design wise be it another game or some revamping.

  cronius77

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/26/12
Posts: 1308

 
OP  12/03/12 10:37:09 PM#35
i tried the new patch and i gotta say im pretty impressed with the new items and armor sets and weapons. This game still has some great pvp and now they are making it super easy to get your renoun ranks up and into pvp . 100 tokens for each of the 4 new tomes that allow you to turn off exp and stay in any tier you wish , double exp inf renoun on the other ones also . Its really great changes . Population isnt the greatest but is still plenty to fight and it seems to be a little growth in the population due to GW2 and SWTOR not being what everyone expected for pvp. If you want to reactivate your account and havent played in a few months its free just log in to your account and hit reactivate your account and it will tell you if you have a 14 day reactivation for free . No credit card needed if you have the 14 day re-enlistment just hit time card code war0daytimecard and it will allow you to play 14 days without a credit card .
  Kuroi

Novice Member

Joined: 9/04/05
Posts: 19

12/05/12 6:25:25 PM#36

 

 

 I loved this game the 2 months I subbed to it back in 2010. Aswesome PvP that you can jump into from lvl 1, decent class balance, and Tanks meant something.

 I'm actually DLing it again right now to give it another spin.

 EA/Mythic messed up by not advertising it and the customer support was unprofessional and horrid.

 

just my 2 cps.

 

 K

  Gorwe

Elite Member

Joined: 9/16/11
Posts: 1807

12/05/12 8:13:24 PM#37
See how Mythic ruined this game? Every time someone mentions it's good sides it's PvP or RvR(same thing really). Nobody remembers to actually mention the greatest thing about this game(and to be even more ludicrous, it's the first Word of the name-rofl):

WARHAMMER!!!

Warhammer games are rare enough and how about MMOs now? Well, Herp-derp me if I know how this actually failed and how 98% of Warhammer Fanbase still doesn't know this exists(wtf?).

If it only could be sold off or something, so that it's PvE(the biggest part of the game! They spent nearly 100 millions of Dollars{!!!} on PvE-RvR was an afterthought that cost them round 5 mil!) gets actually fixed and RP parts actually get implemented(IT IS WARHAMMER FANTASY-THE BIGGEST AND THE BEST FANTASY AFTER LoTR!!!! Why no RP Tools ffs???!!!). Ah, if wishes were horses(I'd be rich rancher-of that you can be sure ;))

This game became the retarded brother of DAoC-and it should have been more. WAAAY MORE(if for nothing else, just for it's IP!)!

I'd be even more angry if Gav wrote some of Quest texts(which I hope he didn't-because then it would be C.O.S.M.I.C. injustice!)...

Well enough of that. Take care(I guess)!
  Nidwin

Novice Member

Joined: 7/10/12
Posts: 94

12/06/12 7:25:44 AM#38

Haters gonna hate as we would say.

 

It's a good patch and not too bugged for once.

The only way I won't play war anymore is the day they pull the final plug.

 

It's also funny to read some of you peeps with outdated info, not knowing the actual situation of war or how it has evolved over the years.

As for population on Badlands nowedays. In Tier 4 we have about the same amount of peeps running around as when Gorfang and Badlands got merged, more or less. And more and more are coming back after GW2 finaly didn't deliver enough PvP/RvR wise for them.

 

The Nid

It's buggy and terrain still kills but there's nothing that comes even close PvP/RvR wise on the market.

  Gorwe

Elite Member

Joined: 9/16/11
Posts: 1807

12/06/12 1:10:54 PM#39

To Nid:

Yeah like hell I am outdated. Just because I don't play it(herp derp 90% of it's forums don't play it lol), doesn't mean I am not following it. Is Chapter 2 Greenskin Greataxe(for BO) still +willpower? hm?

Be seeing ya :D!

Edit: Besides, now that Creative Assembly and Games Workshop strike a deal(OMG YEEEEEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!), we will have first true Warhammer Fantasy game since The Dark Omen(lol). Now if only some hotshot RPG studio picked up WHF:RP(say Obsidian/Bethesda?)-it'd be all my prayers answered(the part with Hard Covered Warhammer books was answered 400% because it is a)Elves b)Tyrion n Teclis c)Bill King{well, tbh, I'd like Gav to receive that honour as well-the finest Black Library author imho} and d)Hard cover)...

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