Originally posted by Ascension08

Crusher is not a complete troll. If you look at the Hype-meter for WAR, he gave it a 5, not a 1! Hooray!!! /sarcasm

To be honest. I saw some new video of WAR showing the class selection screen. Damn it look
really good compared to the beta footage. They had really caught the spirit, look and animation
of Warhammer. I really hope they can keep that quality all the way to release. I'm not sure If
I can edit my Hype setting for war, but due to that awesome class select video, I would change my
hype point to 5.01 :) ,nah just kidding .. 6.5, or even 7 if i saw more good stuff.

After a few days of pessimistic posts in the AoC forums here, now suddenly a rush of optimism about the news claiming 1million subscribers to beta. Hype or are they really saying the truth?... And the negative posts have disappeared completely.

edit: I'd appreciate this thread not to be an arena for fanboys vs haters. It's just to follow AoC developement in a relaxed way, and to discuss its impact on WAR.

Originally posted by altairzq

After a few days of pessimistic posts in the AoC forums here, now suddenly a rush of optimism about the news claiming 1million subscribers to beta. Hype or are they really saying the truth?... And the negative posts have disappeared completely.

and for anyone wondering

Laptop Specs:

7600go gpu

2gig ram

5400rpg HD

1.8ghz C2D Processor

Running Vista 32bit

Load times for zones took from 20-40seconds, for small instances took about 5-10 seconds.

FR- 20-35fps with occasional drop into the teens

Overall very playable IMO considering how smooth it was.

Originally posted by altairzq

After a few days of pessimistic posts in the AoC forums here, now suddenly a rush of optimism about the news claiming 1million subscribers to beta. Hype or are they really saying the truth?... And the negative posts have disappeared completely.

 

edit: I'd appreciate this thread not to be an arena for fanboys vs haters. It's just to follow AoC developement in a relaxed way, and to discuss its impact on WAR.

Well I don't know about the 1 million thing, though I wouldn't doubt it. The optimism stems largely from a late patch in open beta that, for most people, largely fixed the games technical issues and greatly increased performance across the board.

A lot of people are hyped up about the game and through my own extensive closed beta experience I can say it's by far the most fun game I've played in some years. It wasn't, by any stretch of the imagination, the most perfect beta I ever participated in. There were times when technical problems drove me away until they patched again a week later.

The best 'beta' I've been in was LotRO, which I tested for some 8 months (I've tested AoC for about 6 months.) But I can say that I was so burnt out and bored to tears with LotRO that, even though I thought it was a great game and I put a lot of effort into doing my part of testing, I still haven't bought the released game to try, or gone through a trial account. However in the 6 months I've tested AoC, I've not become closed to burnt out and the game has just gotten more and more fun over that time.

I do honestly hope that WAR does as well as AoC is doing, hell perhaps even better. I personally doubt it will draw me away from AoC, (though it may become my 'need a break from my main MMOG.. MMOG,) lol. I recognize the benefit of having two great MMOGs in the same year. More choice for the masses, and maybe, just maybe we can get enough WoW newbies (those who's first experience in MMOGs is WoW, the vast majority of it's subscribers,) to learn that there's more to MMOGs then just WoW.

Oh, and if you want this to just be a discussion of AoC and it's impact, if any, on WAR, then you should have chosen a better title. Your title (and someone what your initial post,) made it sound like you were trying to troll AoC, or bash them and call it horrible, just because your a WAR fan and want to see the 'competition' fail.

what your seeing on AOC board is a prime example as why mythic won't have official forums.

Originally posted by Fion 

 

Oh, and if you want this to just be a discussion of AoC and it's impact, if any, on WAR, then you should have chosen a better title. Your title (and someone what your initial post,) made it sound like you were trying to troll AoC, or bash them and call it horrible, just because your a WAR fan and want to see the 'competition' fail.

Yes, that's true. But I can't change it now, wouldn't be fair to the people that answered already.  I will think of something.

edit: done.

Originally posted by Draccan

 

Originally posted by altairzq

Have you been reading the AoC forum? I never thought things would look so bad for that game. I bet this has a lot to do about WAR release being posponed, they knew they were safe making this move.

 

It's looking very good for WAR, the more I look at it, the more I feel WAR will be a huge succes, I mean by the milions, maybe a few milions but that's a lot, maybe really hurting WOW if it is good enough. Sadly by good I mean appealing to the masses, this is the only fear I have.

 

Never confuse numbers sold with quality  

It does.

Originally posted by Bladin

 

Originally posted by Draccan

 

Originally posted by altairzq

Have you been reading the AoC forum? I never thought things would look so bad for that game. I bet this has a lot to do about WAR release being posponed, they knew they were safe making this move.

 

It's looking very good for WAR, the more I look at it, the more I feel WAR will be a huge succes, I mean by the milions, maybe a few milions but that's a lot, maybe really hurting WOW if it is good enough. Sadly by good I mean appealing to the masses, this is the only fear I have.

 

Never confuse numbers sold with quality  

Never pretend that numbers sold has nothing to with quality.

 

It does.

No, it really doesn't. In MMOs the only indication of quality is the game's ability to maintain stable subscriber numbers. Retail figures don't tend to show if an MMO is good or bad, it just shows how good the hype and/or publicity was. Its the number of people still playing after 3 months that tells you how good it is.

Originally posted by impulsebooks

Originally posted by Bladin

 

Originally posted by Draccan

 

Originally posted by altairzq

Have you been reading the AoC forum? I never thought things would look so bad for that game. I bet this has a lot to do about WAR release being posponed, they knew they were safe making this move.

 

It's looking very good for WAR, the more I look at it, the more I feel WAR will be a huge succes, I mean by the milions, maybe a few milions but that's a lot, maybe really hurting WOW if it is good enough. Sadly by good I mean appealing to the masses, this is the only fear I have.

 

Never confuse numbers sold with quality  

Never pretend that numbers sold has nothing to with quality.

 

It does.

No, it really doesn't. In MMOs the only indication of quality is the game's ability to maintain stable subscriber numbers. Retail figures don't tend to show if an MMO is good or bad, it just shows how good the hype and/or publicity was. Its the number of people still playing after 3 months that tells you how good it is.

MMORPGs sell more on word of mouth, and actual experiences with the game far more than following a name and publicity.

Explain swg?  matrix online?  Two big mass media named franchises.  Yet their sells weren't indicative of it.

Quality does influence sales. 

Originally posted by Bladin

 

Originally posted by impulsebooks

Originally posted by Bladin

 

Originally posted by Draccan

 

Originally posted by altairzq

Have you been reading the AoC forum? I never thought things would look so bad for that game. I bet this has a lot to do about WAR release being posponed, they knew they were safe making this move.

 

It's looking very good for WAR, the more I look at it, the more I feel WAR will be a huge succes, I mean by the milions, maybe a few milions but that's a lot, maybe really hurting WOW if it is good enough. Sadly by good I mean appealing to the masses, this is the only fear I have.

 

Never confuse numbers sold with quality  

Never pretend that numbers sold has nothing to with quality.

 

It does.

No, it really doesn't. In MMOs the only indication of quality is the game's ability to maintain stable subscriber numbers. Retail figures don't tend to show if an MMO is good or bad, it just shows how good the hype and/or publicity was. Its the number of people still playing after 3 months that tells you how good it is.

Stop bullshitting yourself to make your game selections feel better.

 

MMORPGs sell more on word of mouth, and actual experiences with the game far more than following a name and publicity.

Explain swg?  matrix online?  Two big mass media named franchises.  Yet their sells weren't indicative of it.

Quality does influence sales. 

Excuse me, bullshitting myself?? What the hell are you talking about? I am buying AOC and WAR based upon everything I have read or watched online that the devs have  let us have. I am buying AOC based upon my experiance in AOC beta and my need for a game to play until WAR.

I have bought loads of other MMOs, and I didn't know if ANY of them were quality until I PLAYED them. They were all well made games, they all had millions spent on them, and they could all be called quality games from a production standpoint. That doesn't make the gameplay fun.

1000s will buy AOC and WAR because the hype tells them they are quality games and will be great. I happen to think WAR IS going to be fantastic, but that is my OPINION. You cannot call a product quality until it is released and the people who buy it SAY IT IS QUALITY (your word of mouth scenario). Any game can sell lots of copies and make money, but MMOs have a different standard to meet. They can't just sell thousands of copies, they also have to keep the subs coming in months and years later. In my opinion, a quality MMO MUST at least do that much.

age of conans high spec requirements are really what will limit its success . the game itself looks nice enough  . i predict a lot of angry posts in the coming months because the average pc wont run it well . this does nt mean age of conan will be a faliure it just means that it proberbly will be success on the level of something like lord of the rings . its not the next massive mmo . the developers made the huge mistake of overestimating how powerful the average mid range pc is .

i hope it does well but i think its going to be a financial disaster for funcom .

Originally posted by impulsebooks

 

Originally posted by Bladin

 

Originally posted by impulsebooks

Originally posted by Bladin

 

Originally posted by Draccan

 

Originally posted by altairzq

Have you been reading the AoC forum? I never thought things would look so bad for that game. I bet this has a lot to do about WAR release being posponed, they knew they were safe making this move.

 

It's looking very good for WAR, the more I look at it, the more I feel WAR will be a huge succes, I mean by the milions, maybe a few milions but that's a lot, maybe really hurting WOW if it is good enough. Sadly by good I mean appealing to the masses, this is the only fear I have.

 

Never confuse numbers sold with quality  

Never pretend that numbers sold has nothing to with quality.

 

It does.

No, it really doesn't. In MMOs the only indication of quality is the game's ability to maintain stable subscriber numbers. Retail figures don't tend to show if an MMO is good or bad, it just shows how good the hype and/or publicity was. Its the number