I dunno, when both games started dropping info about direction and content...I was a big Conan fan.  At first, I was among the many that felt that WAR would probably feel too much like WoW, and that they weren't taking strides to divide themselves from the norm.  AoC's videos and information all revolved around bloody battles and sieges!  Sounded good to me, really.

  Then I come to find out that the PvP will be divided amongst 'battlegrounds' and sieges...and that the devs think that Raid gear SHOULD be the best gear.  Hell...I've heard that junk before.  Turns out, from a direction perspective, AoC is turning out to be more like WoW than WAR.  Now, I've turned my eyes to WAR...whom have a more PvP focused direction with the RvR and whom have better speakers in general.  Just looking at the people speaking for them...they seem to have ZERO thoughts that the game will be bad.  They have full faith in it. 

  Bottom line is, I missed out on DAoC.  WoW taught me that I LIKE PvP a ton more than PvE.  WAR is going to offer me that ability to level from PvP...AND offer up nice RvR stuff as well.  Its also not going to FORCE PvP down my throat like so many FFA games do...and its not going to punish me for not being among the first to play the game like those games do either.  So, even if WAR does play like WoW...I can accept that.  I can even enjoy that.  All I really wanted was a game that took what WoW did right, and give me all of the elements Blizzard refused to.  From all I can see, WAR is gonna be that game...and I won't even have to drop a thousand dollars on a new system to partake of it.

  So, unless they bomb BAD...and I mean BAD BAD....I'm a new WAR junkie, and a part of me is sad for that.

Originally posted by WesKhan1

It should be hilarious when WAR comes out and the same exact thing happens with it also.  Honestly, I'm going to laugh my ass off when people finally realize that it's not "DAoC 2" and it's just uncreative garbage.  I'm not a fanboy at all.  I was excited about AoC and WAR equally.  Then.....ya.....sigh.....

 

But they did push it back, so who knows.  Maybe they'll change the whole game or actually make the PvP good.  Perhaps they'll change their extremely linear world.  Only time will tell. =/

 

Edit: If WAR released around this time (like it was going to) it would have probably been the biggest disappointment of the year.

 

Edit 2 : And it's funny you say that the beta leaked videos for WAR look good Impaler.  To me, and most others, it looked extremely bland, slow, and uncreative.  It also looked just like WoW.  (Yes, I know Warhammer came first, but it didn't as an MMO.  So WAR would be the clone here).

This is why there is an NDA and people who release videos and information on a game that is in beta should be kicked out. They are releasing videos of things that get changed, upgraded, and or removed. I really wish the NDA would be lifted and I could talk about WAR, but things are always changing and I could give people the wrong information. War will be a balanced pvp game in my opinion and AoC will not only time will tell though.

I plan to buy both games, but I will only play one in the end.

Originally posted by needalife214

WAR gets posts every day by AoC fanbois and haters   we are used to it....  i ignore them or counter their claims with facts....people will enjoy AoC...people will enjoy WAR...its what ever .... however i have a feeling WAR will have a better Open Beta then AoC is having right now

AoC get's posts every day by WAR fanbois and haters we are used to it... i ignore them or counter their claims with facts...people will enjoy WAR...people will enjoy AoC...its whatever... however i have a feeling WAR won't have a better Open Beta then AoC is having right now

But in all seriousness, but WAR and AoC are going to do well. People are going to play WAR because they know all the reason why WoW, despite it's success, sucks, and WAR is going to fix all that. People are going to be play AoC, because it's diffrent, it's not High-Fantasy ala LOTRO and EQ, and it's not Fantasy-Steampunk ala WAR and WoW.

I do think at least intitially AoC is going to be a bigger draw because it has a more recognizable IP and people are a bit burned out on the whole Fantasy/Steampunk thing, even if Warhammer invented the style. But that all remains to be seen.

AoC Open Beta sucks as bad as any other Beta I've ever been in, no more, no less. Honestly I'm not have any issue with it that I didn't have with WoW during the first few months of actual release. There are memory leaks out the ass, texture issues, the shader engine doesn't work right... etc. etc. None of this is surprising, and none of it turns me off of the game. WAR will have it's own issues, particularly if EA decides the game in going out the door on a given day regardless of what shape it's in... which have been known to do.

Neither AoC nor WAR are going to see WoW's numbers. One word for you: Asia.  WoW only has 9 million subscribers because 5 million of those are in asian paying pennies on the dollar to play. Neither AoC nor WoW is going to have kind of deathgrip on asian players that Blizzard does... keep in mind that now several Koreans have literally killed themselves playing Starcraft.

AoC and WAR will both be quite successful in North America and Europe, but I don't expect either game to break 2 million subs, I don't think Funcom or Mythic expect them to either.

It's pretty sad to see how dedicated the WAR forums are to the failure of AoC as opposed to success of WAR.

Originally posted by XImpalerX

Originally posted by elvenangel

 

Originally posted by oronisi

You realize most of the naysayers on the AoC forums are WAR or WoW fanboys that never wanted AoC to succeed? 

 

This is actually NOT true..yes there are a few over there but for the most part most of the people Saying bad things about AoC are people who were on the fence in the first place or they expected way way more than what was obviously the truth (over hyped themselves).  Plus some of them are pepole with legit problems due to their hardware.

Its this misconception that has both sides fighting each other its completely stupid that the moment someone flames or says something you don't like you automatically accuse him of being a fanboy of another game.    Everyone here knows altairqz isn't a fanboy of WAR he's been a naysayer since the beginning he's mostly posting his current opinion on the situation.

explination = explanation? or is it done on purpose?

You know being an ass doesn't help your shoddy credibility.   I'm at work the last thing I'm going to do is play spell checker for a bunch of assine people who think forums need to be perfect.

Originally posted by oronisi

Originally posted by altairzq

Have you been reading the AoC forum? I never thought things would look so bad for that game. I bet this has a lot to do about WAR release being posponed, they knew they were safe making this move.

 

It's looking very good for WAR, the more I look at it, the more I feel WAR will be a huge succes, I mean by the milions, maybe a few milions but that's a lot, maybe really hurting WOW if it is good enough. Sadly by good I mean appealing to the masses, this is the only fear I have.

You realize most of the naysayers on the AoC forums are WAR or WoW fanboys that never wanted AoC to succeed?  The preorder boxes are sold out all over the place and the game hasn't launched yet.  Why you see AoC as a threat, I don't understand.  People will choose their game based on what they enjoy....fluid combat -> AoC, Realtime RPG combat -> WAR.

According to many of the posts I've seen many will play simply because it's different, or because they're waiting on the next new release. I know a guy who still plays WoW and vocalizes how much loathes it, yet he still plays,why? because his wife enjoys playing. So no, people in most cases won't just play what they enjoy, they have other reasons for what and why they do things.

Originally posted by NotNiceDino

 

Originally posted by needalife214

WAR gets posts every day by AoC fanbois and haters   we are used to it....  i ignore them or counter their claims with facts....people will enjoy AoC...people will enjoy WAR...its what ever .... however i have a feeling WAR will have a better Open Beta then AoC is having right now

 

It's pretty sad to see how dedicated the WAR forums are to the failure of AoC as opposed to success of WAR.

I smell complete hypocrasy...only a few zealot posters some of which arent' even WAR fans in the first place are hoping AoC fails.  But over half the AoC population constantly posts "WAR is so noob WAR is WoW...WAR is gonna fail its just a clone" etc etc.   I see it on random threads ALL the time that have nothing to do with WAR over in the AoC forums (reads both forums tries to avoid posting on AoC) until the AoC open beta started we rarely had threads of this nature here. 

Its not our fault haters post BS posts in the WAR forum.   The OP isn't even a WAR fan he's been dissing the game for months.

im not checking my damn spelling so kiss my arse Impaler.

I was reading the last post and I was curious, is Conan really a more recognizable IP than Warhammer?  It could just be me, but i didn't even know about the Conan novels until this game came out (and I do read a lot of fantasy novels and now i do want to read these conan books.)  However, I have been playing warhammer since i was a kid and have really grown up knowing a LOT about its IP.  Because of that i am going to play warhammer even if it sucks i don't care.   I really was just curious as to which IP people know more about.... maybe i'll make a poll.

As to AoC directly, it looks fun, and i would have played it if it came out a few months ago (and i still might if it gets awesome reviews after it comes out) but I don't really want to start another MMO to quit for WAR. 

There are alot of people who didn't know about the Conan novels, just like there are alot of people who don't know that Warhammer has 25 years and originated as a tabletop game. The only reason these games are the most talked about now is due to the fact that they're the biggest hyped so far. Both are building on an existing fanbase ( which would also explain the ferocity in defending them.)

Originally posted by elvenangel

 

Originally posted by NotNiceDino

 

Originally posted by needalife214

WAR gets posts every day by AoC fanbois and haters   we are used to it....  i ignore them or counter their claims with facts....people will enjoy AoC...people will enjoy WAR...its what ever .... however i have a feeling WAR will have a better Open Beta then AoC is having right now

 

It's pretty sad to see how dedicated the WAR forums are to the failure of AoC as opposed to success of WAR.

I smell complete hypocrasy...only a few zealot posters some of which arent' even WAR fans in the first place are hoping AoC fails.  But over half the AoC population constantly posts "WAR is so noob WAR is WoW...WAR is gonna fail its just a clone" etc etc.   I see it on random threads ALL the time that have nothing to do with WAR over in the AoC forums (reads both forums tries to avoid posting on AoC) until the AoC open beta started we rarely had threads of this nature here. 

 

Its not our fault haters post BS posts in the WAR forum.   The OP isn't even a WAR fan he's been dissing the game for months.

 

im not checking my damn spelling so kiss my arse Impaler.

You smell complete hypocracy do you? PLEASE go through my post history and find one post where I said: WAR is so noob WAR is WOW... WAR is gonna fail its just a clone" etc etc before you call me a hypocrat (i'm not correct your spelling either ). I'm not saying there aren't plenty of said post, because there most certainly are... I just don't see where you get off calling me a hypocrat when I wasn't making one.

It really just depends...I've seen the movies, never read the books, and had no clue there was an actual following for it at all.   I knew there was a huge following for Warhammer.    I think the general public probably won't recongize either one that well as a major IP.

 Dino..what you said as in generalizing that all the Bad AoC BS that goes on here is a product of WAR fans is crap....if your not a hypocrite than fine but assuming that all the BAD AoC BS that goes on here are WAR fans saying it is hypocritical considering the actual nasty things said about WAR on the AoC forums is from actual AoC fans.

Several WAR fans are actualy interested in Both games...some are on the fence about AoC and some don't care...and a very small minority want to see AoC fail because they're obvious zealots and I don't personally approve of such behavior (i dont like AoC myself BUT i don't want to see it fail variety in MMOs especially successful variety will be a really reallyg ood thing for future MMOs).

course im also high on pain killers so im probably totally using the word out of context today lol

Originally posted by Praxus

There's issues with SLI. Try with one card. I run it quite smoothly on HIGH with a 4 ghz e8400 and a 8800GT.

Average 35 fps. If I remove environmental shadows, its 50+ fps.

This is a joke right? I mean you just said you NEED THE BEST GAMING RIG OUT THERE TO PLAY THE GAME AT 35 FPS.

If this was not a joke , you sir have just confirmed that the game is all but unplayable for 90% of mmor'ers and gamers out there. IF it was a joke then its pretty funny.

the Q6600 it a higher level cpu than the e8400, but slower per core (quad vs duo). ATm with my q6600 (8800gts 512 video card) i can run ,  4 instances of wow (max settings, native 1600x 1050 rez) with 60-90 fps. CS:S @ 240-300(max) fps, highest settings lotro with no lag at all, bioshock high (i forget the fps it was high tho), eve in battles at 120-200. All of that and ... 35 fps in AoC? i mean come on. I don't know if this guy is right but the graphics are not that good for it to be takign so many resources... hopefully they will optimize better, but most of it will have to be after release.

 Now i am not saying that is true , i am just responding to Praxus here.

Honestly i think AoC looks a ton like a redone daoc and this does make me want to try it out. (liek the characters and movement , fighting etc)