Originally posted by Phry

Originally posted by twiggy550

Last Chaos however isnt the only product that Aeria has, and as for it not working or having any effect, well that depends on how much ill feeling the community has, nobody can deny after all, the effect the 'dissident' SWG players had on SOE as a whole, it would be foolish indeed to underestimate the influence of disgruntled players, particularly if their complaints are; a, justified, and b, widely felt by the community involved. There is also the fact that its human nature to support the 'hard done by' 'underdog' than to defend the 'fat cats' who are profiting in such a immoral fashion. But hey, what do i know, i am just an old disgruntled swg veteran....

So let me ask you this. Did they ever fix SWG for you? :)

I realize that LC isn't their only game, but they don't really give a damn. Companies like Aeria Games will tell you what you wanna hear and "silence the infidels" if you will. Sorta like a dictatorship with all the censorship flying around. Sure there's the few disgruntled comments here and there, but most of the threads are "happy" or at the very worst "troubled"... I just don't see them going anywhere any time soon. That's all. Has SOE changed their ways? No. They're still in the process of screwing themselves over. I didn't even think it was possible but they sure do like to prove me wrong! Same goes for other publishers  like Activision and EA.

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Originally posted by Phry

Originally posted by twiggy550

Originally posted by abentwookie

Originally posted by twiggy550

Originally posted by tryklon

 Am I failing something here?

She is saying that Aeria games is crap, but what she really wants is to have that K guy fired to save the game. So Aeria games is not so bad after all if they want to keep playing the game.

This is all out of hatred for that K guy then.

Maybe you could retype the title

 

Retype the title AND edit the original post. I'm sure that could have been summarized very easily. Either way, to "save" any of the Aeria games would mean a restructuring of the entire company which guess what -- It ain't gonna happen. When that K guy or whatever gets fired, a new asshole takes his place, and maybe it's a little better and most likely it will be a little worse or end up the same. Congratulations, you achieved absolutely nothing!

It's blatantly obvious that Aeria is corrupt, didn't even need to be told. If you look at how they do their business, you buy AP to essentially play their games. It's made in such a way that to continue to play, you need to invest in some AP before you actually make it somewhere worthwhile in their games.

Also to the OP, John is right when he says GS is an unpaid job. Aeria Points don't equal real $$$. Just because you make X amount of Aeria Points, doesn't instantly give them a financial value. Aeria Points aren't going to pay the bills are they?

 

Look. I can see you're frustrated with the way that they've managed their games and that you want to see a light at the end of the tunnel but it's honestly not there. You can't somehow change the entire company or sabotage them.

 

Money is power and power is the root of all evil.

 

Well if you're right and nothing changes for the better after ksilent is fired then so bet it. At least we tried and we can all move on to other games. And Last Chaos will be a dead game. Until then we have to do what we're doing to put an end to the corruption in its current form, KSilent.  We'll do it for the community and for Krash. Only time will tell what happens after that. I person would not go back to the game myself even if things did improve. For me the game is already dead.

 

If the game is already dead for you then.... Aren't you fighting for a lost cause? What's the point of fighting for something you stopped giving a shit about.

This whole you vs. the man thing isn't gonna work out... Trust me. But hey what do I know, I'll let you figure that out for yourself.

Last Chaos however isnt the only product that Aeria has, and as for it not working or having any effect, well that depends on how much ill feeling the community has, nobody can deny after all, the effect the 'dissident' SWG players had on SOE as a whole, it would be foolish indeed to underestimate the influence of disgruntled players, particularly if their complaints are; a, justified, and b, widely felt by the community involved. There is also the fact that its human nature to support the 'hard done by' 'underdog' than to defend the 'fat cats' who are profiting in such a immoral fashion. But hey, what do i know, i am just an old disgruntled swg veteran....

mm one thing is sure by the time aeria or any game maker realise they made a mistake its often too late countless mmo have

came and went since world of warcraft was released you know what wow is still on the top

the only closest game iasnt an mmo at all its a first person shooter .in fact not one but a bunch then you got strategy game a la warcraft 3 cant recall the title

Originally posted by NinjaNerf

Originally posted by abentwookie

Originally posted by NinjaNerf

Originally posted by tryklon

 Am I failing something here?

She is saying that Aeria games is crap, but what she really wants is to have that K guy fired to save the game. So Aeria games is not so bad after all if they want to keep playing the game.

This is all out of hatred for that K guy then.

Maybe you could retype the title

 

She said the GM guy was fired for criticizing the quality of Last Chaos.

Anyway, to me the quality of a game can't  be solely judged by a few people's comments, even if they are GM or GS.

I don't and have no intention to play any of the Aeria games but this post doesn't show me the Aeria games are bad.

 

You don't have to take my word for it, ask any of the countless high lvl players that have quit LC. Read through my post again. I listed a bunch of reasons why the game itself is seriously messed up and the list gets bigger with each new patch. lol

And actually, the GM (Krash) got fired for being too close to the community. I guess he was supposed to treat us like credit card numbers the way ksilent does.

The person that was suspended for criticizing Aeria was me. I temporarily lost my GS tags for it but I told them I didn't want them back when they offered to make me a GS again. It was a matter of principle for me.

 

I know what you are trying to tell us but IMO you should tell us how is the game bad according to the GM and GS instead of merely repeatedly referring to the firing.

I already did in the original post but i'll sum up the bad things again:

*  You have to spend either thousands of dollars to get high lvl or years of your life. It takes SEVEN years to reach the current level cap (165) without spending a forture on AP.

* Before you can even BEGIN to level you need to spend weeks (or months if you don't buy AP) gaining the massive amount of skill points you'll need.

* The game has many many many bugs, most of which don't get fixed.

* New patches add more bugs.

* We have people who test the new patches for bugs but when they tell Aeria that there are problems, Aeria ignores them and adds the patch anyway.

* All classes only have one gender and race available to them

* Some classes are hopelessly broken.

* They just added a new class that is too overpowered. But that isn't a big problem since you need like 85,000 skill points for it. lol So most players aren't going to spend that kind of time on it.

* Castle Sieges (similar to DAOC in a way) have some serious glitches and exploits. And Aeria allows some guilds (the ones that spend a lot of money on AP) to take advantage of exploits even after people post VIDEOS of them doing it. As a GS, I even witnessed it myself on one occasion. And nothing was done after I reported it.

* Which brings us to the biggest problem. The fact that Aeria lets hackers, scammers, account sharing people, and those committing other bannable offenses keep their accounts if they spend a lot of money on AP. Plenty of vids and ss have been posted about this and nothing is done.

Originally posted by twiggy550

Originally posted by Phry

Originally posted by twiggy550

Last Chaos however isnt the only product that Aeria has, and as for it not working or having any effect, well that depends on how much ill feeling the community has, nobody can deny after all, the effect the 'dissident' SWG players had on SOE as a whole, it would be foolish indeed to underestimate the influence of disgruntled players, particularly if their complaints are; a, justified, and b, widely felt by the community involved. There is also the fact that its human nature to support the 'hard done by' 'underdog' than to defend the 'fat cats' who are profiting in such a immoral fashion. But hey, what do i know, i am just an old disgruntled swg veteran....

 

So let me ask you this. Did they ever fix SWG for you? :)

 

I realize that LC isn't their only game, but they don't really give a damn. Companies like Aeria Games will tell you what you wanna hear and "silence the infidels" if you will. Sorta like a dictatorship with all the censorship flying around. Sure there's the few disgruntled comments here and there, but most of the threads are "happy" or at the very worst "troubled"... I just don't see them going anywhere any time soon. That's all. Has SOE changed their ways? No. They're still in the process of screwing themselves over. I didn't even think it was possible but they sure do like to prove me wrong! Same goes for other publishers  like Activision and EA.

 

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No, they didn't fix SWG and the game is a ghosttown. Aeria won't listen and LastChaos will die just like SWG. Eventually companies will stop and think , "hey we're losing money here everytime a game dies, we need to reconsider how we do things."

Maybe not companies like Aeria and SOE. But others will learn from their stupidity.

Originally posted by abentwookie

Originally posted by NinjaNerf

Originally posted by abentwookie

Originally posted by NinjaNerf

Originally posted by tryklon

 Am I failing something here?

She is saying that Aeria games is crap, but what she really wants is to have that K guy fired to save the game. So Aeria games is not so bad after all if they want to keep playing the game.

This is all out of hatred for that K guy then.

Maybe you could retype the title

 

She said the GM guy was fired for criticizing the quality of Last Chaos.

Anyway, to me the quality of a game can't  be solely judged by a few people's comments, even if they are GM or GS.

I don't and have no intention to play any of the Aeria games but this post doesn't show me the Aeria games are bad.

 

You don't have to take my word for it, ask any of the countless high lvl players that have quit LC. Read through my post again. I listed a bunch of reasons why the game itself is seriously messed up and the list gets bigger with each new patch. lol

And actually, the GM (Krash) got fired for being too close to the community. I guess he was supposed to treat us like credit card numbers the way ksilent does.

The person that was suspended for criticizing Aeria was me. I temporarily lost my GS tags for it but I told them I didn't want them back when they offered to make me a GS again. It was a matter of principle for me.

 

I know what you are trying to tell us but IMO you should tell us how is the game bad according to the GM and GS instead of merely repeatedly referring to the firing.

 

I already did in the original post but i'll sum up the bad things again:

*  You have to spend either thousands of dollars to get high lvl or years of your life. It takes SEVEN years to reach the current level cap (165) without spending a forture on AP.

* Before you can even BEGIN to level you need to spend weeks (or months if you don't buy AP) gaining the massive amount of skill points you'll need.

* The game has many many many bugs, most of which don't get fixed.

* New patches add more bugs.

* We have people who test the new patches for bugs but when they tell Aeria that there are problems, Aeria ignores them and adds the patch anyway.

* All classes only have one gender and race available to them

* Some classes are hopelessly broken.

* They just added a new class that is too overpowered. But that isn't a big problem since you need like 85,000 skill points for it. lol So most players aren't going to spend that kind of time on it.

* Castle Sieges (similar to DAOC in a way) have some serious glitches and exploits. And Aeria allows some guilds (the ones that spend a lot of money on AP) to take advantage of exploits even after people post VIDEOS of them doing it. As a GS, I even witnessed it myself on one occasion. And nothing was done after I reported it.

* Which brings us to the biggest problem. The fact that Aeria lets hackers, scammers, account sharing people, and those committing other bannable offenses keep their accounts if they spend a lot of money on AP. Plenty of vids and ss have been posted about this and nothing is done.

You are describing basically all the cash shop games nowadays.

Originally posted by treysmooth

Originally posted by abentwookie

Originally posted by lifer86

I read your post, and I have to say that I am not one bit surprised that this could happen. Free to play games are just not held up to the standards of fairness and accountability that pay to play games are. Just look at evony ffs. P.S. It would be a lot easier to take your post seriously if you removed all the :P and :) and lols.

 

But they should be. I've played some of the other free games such as Combat Arms, PW, Rohan, RunesofMagic, etc... And as I said, none of them so blatantly exhibit the same kind of corruption as Aeria.

 

I will say this give it time,  you play enough of most of the f2p games and you will see the same pattern.  I've been burned by ijji's corruption in the past so I can understand where you're coming from.  I hate to say it but to this point, i have never seen a ftp grinder that wasn't simply a giant pyramid scheme.  Funny thing is I've been treated just as badly by SOE and NCsoft lol.  I like that you're fighting the good fight though they say every dissatisfied customer turns away 10 people while every happy customer might tell 1.  From my own experience this is kinda true, as a former SWG vet I've never forgotten or forgiven SOE for what they did and will never let them benefit off me financially again.  

I agree. I played SWG up until the NGE and it was one of my favorite mmorpgs. I was even there for the famous Bria protest. :) I've actually been trying to organize something similar for Last Chaos right now.

And thanks, I noticed that I did turn a few people away from being potental Aeria customers so at least I accomplished something positive. I just wish it had never come to this, much like I wish the NGE had never happened on SWG. But since I can't control the stupid mistakes companies make, I can at least help other people know about those mistakes so that they won't waste their time or money on those games.

Originally posted by NinjaNerf

Originally posted by abentwookie

Originally posted by NinjaNerf

Originally posted by abentwookie

Originally posted by NinjaNerf

Originally posted by tryklon

 Am I failing something here?

She is saying that Aeria games is crap, but what she really wants is to have that K guy fired to save the game. So Aeria games is not so bad after all if they want to keep playing the game.

This is all out of hatred for that K guy then.

Maybe you could retype the title

 

She said the GM guy was fired for criticizing the quality of Last Chaos.

Anyway, to me the quality of a game can't  be solely judged by a few people's comments, even if they are GM or GS.

I don't and have no intention to play any of the Aeria games but this post doesn't show me the Aeria games are bad.

 

You don't have to take my word for it, ask any of the countless high lvl players that have quit LC. Read through my post again. I listed a bunch of reasons why the game itself is seriously messed up and the list gets bigger with each new patch. lol

And actually, the GM (Krash) got fired for being too close to the community. I guess he was supposed to treat us like credit card numbers the way ksilent does.

The person that was suspended for criticizing Aeria was me. I temporarily lost my GS tags for it but I told them I didn't want them back when they offered to make me a GS again. It was a matter of principle for me.

 

I know what you are trying to tell us but IMO you should tell us how is the game bad according to the GM and GS instead of merely repeatedly referring to the firing.

 

I already did in the original post but i'll sum up the bad things again:

*  You have to spend either thousands of dollars to get high lvl or years of your life. It takes SEVEN years to reach the current level cap (165) without spending a forture on AP.

* Before you can even BEGIN to level you need to spend weeks (or months if you don't buy AP) gaining the massive amount of skill points you'll need.

* The game has many many many bugs, most of which don't get fixed.

* New patches add more bugs.

* We have people who test the new patches for bugs but when they tell Aeria that there are problems, Aeria ignores them and adds the patch anyway.

* All classes only have one gender and race available to them

* Some classes are hopelessly broken.

* They just added a new class that is too overpowered. But that isn't a big problem since you need like 85,000 skill points for it. lol So most players aren't going to spend that kind of time on it.

* Castle Sieges (similar to DAOC in a way) have some serious glitches and exploits. And Aeria allows some guilds (the ones that spend a lot of money on AP) to take advantage of exploits even after people post VIDEOS of them doing it. As a GS, I even witnessed it myself on one occasion. And nothing was done after I reported it.

* Which brings us to the biggest problem. The fact that Aeria lets hackers, scammers, account sharing people, and those committing other bannable offenses keep their accounts if they spend a lot of money on AP. Plenty of vids and ss have been posted about this and nothing is done.

 

You are describing basically all the cash shop games nowadays.

PW, RoM, and CA aren't anywhere near as bad as this game. Most of the things (other than some bugs)  I described don't apply to any of them. I've played all three and never saw the things i've seen here at LastChaos.

Originally posted by abentwookie

Originally posted by treysmooth

Originally posted by abentwookie

Originally posted by lifer86

I read your post, and I have to say that I am not one bit surprised that this could happen. Free to play games are just not held up to the standards of fairness and accountability that pay to play games are. Just look at evony ffs. P.S. It would be a lot easier to take your post seriously if you removed all the :P and :) and lols.

 

But they should be. I've played some of the other free games such as Combat Arms, PW, Rohan, RunesofMagic, etc... And as I said, none of them so blatantly exhibit the same kind of corruption as Aeria.

 

I will say this give it time,  you play enough of most of the f2p games and you will see the same pattern.  I've been burned by ijji's corruption in the past so I can understand where you're coming from.  I hate to say it but to this point, i have never seen a ftp grinder that wasn't simply a giant pyramid scheme.  Funny thing is I've been treated just as badly by SOE and NCsoft lol.  I like that you're fighting the good fight though they say every dissatisfied customer turns away 10 people while every happy customer might tell 1.  From my own experience this is kinda true, as a former SWG vet I've never forgotten or forgiven SOE for what they did and will never let them benefit off me financially again.  

 

I agree. I played SWG up until the NGE and it was one of my favorite mmorpgs. I was even there for the famous Bria protest. :) I've actually been trying to organize something similar for Last Chaos right now.

And thanks, I noticed that I did turn a few people away from being potental Aeria customers so at least I accomplished something positive. I just wish it had never come to this, much like I wish the NGE had never happened on SWG. But since I can't control the stupid mistakes companies make, I can at least help other people know about those mistakes so that they won't waste their time or money on those games.

Ah fellow SWG vet :).  Yeah I remember them porting people all over the worlds during the protest to stop people from protesting lol god I miss that game.

Originally posted by abentwookie

Originally posted by NinjaNerf

Originally posted by abentwookie

Originally posted by NinjaNerf

Originally posted by abentwookie

Originally posted by NinjaNerf

Originally posted by tryklon

 Am I failing something here?

She is saying that Aeria games is crap, but what she really wants is to have that K guy fired to save the game. So Aeria games is not so bad after all if they want to keep playing the game.

This is all out of hatred for that K guy then.

Maybe you could retype the title

 

She said the GM guy was fired for criticizing the quality of Last Chaos.

Anyway, to me the quality of a game can't  be solely judged by a few people's comments, even if they are GM or GS.

I don't and have no intention to play any of the Aeria games but this post doesn't show me the Aeria games are bad.

 

You don't have to take my word for it, ask any of the countless high lvl players that have quit LC. Read through my post again. I listed a bunch of reasons why the game itself is seriously messed up and the list gets bigger with each new patch. lol

And actually, the GM (Krash) got fired for being too close to the community. I guess he was supposed to treat us like credit card numbers the way ksilent does.

The person that was suspended for criticizing Aeria was me. I temporarily lost my GS tags for it but I told them I didn't want them back when they offered to make me a GS again. It was a matter of principle for me.

 

I know what you are trying to tell us but IMO you should tell us how is the game bad according to the GM and GS instead of merely repeatedly referring to the firing.

 

I already did in the original post but i'll sum up the bad things again:

*  You have to spend either thousands of dollars to get high lvl or years of your life. It takes SEVEN years to reach the current level cap (165) without spending a forture on AP.

* Before you can even BEGIN to level you need to spend weeks (or months if you don't buy AP) gaining the massive amount of skill points you'll need.

* The game has many many many bugs, most of which don't get fixed.

* New patches add more bugs.

* We have people who test the new patches for bugs but when they tell Aeria that there are problems, Aeria ignores them and adds the patch anyway.

* All classes only have one gender and race available to them

* Some classes are hopelessly broken.

* They just added a new class that is too overpowered. But that isn't a big problem since you need like 85,000 skill points for it. lol So most players aren't going to spend that kind of time on it.

* Castle Sieges (similar to DAOC in a way) have some serious glitches and exploits. And Aeria allows some guilds (the ones that spend a lot of money on AP) to take advantage of exploits even after people post VIDEOS of them doing it. As a GS, I even witnessed it myself on one occasion. And nothing was done after I reported it.

* Which brings us to the biggest problem. The fact that Aeria lets hackers, scammers, account sharing people, and those committing other bannable offenses keep their accounts if they spend a lot of money on AP. Plenty of vids and ss have been posted about this and nothing is done.

 

You are describing basically all the cash shop games nowadays.

 

PW, RoM, and CA aren't anywhere near as bad as this game. Most of the things (other than some bugs)  I described don't apply to any of them. I've played all three and never saw the things i've seen here at LastChaos.

You will change your opinions in a year or 2. Newer cash shop games don't seem to cost too much (if you don't consider $1000 a year is much) but give it a year or 2 you will hear all sort of disgruntled people telling you they wasted 1000s.

 I want to make a very important point to you and I want you to stop posting about this helpless cause after it unless it's to comment on my point.

You're complaining about the corruption, but you supported the corruption and told the lies they gave you when you had the job to keep the job. It wasn't until your friend was fired for mysterious circumstances (which is normal, we are in a recession. Even gaming companies are suffering) that you decided to take matters into your own hands, probably attempting to rally support to give him his job back, and get yourself fired and then IP banned for trying to spread the "truth" about Aeria.

It's your own fault. You should have known the company would do that. They don't want the behind the scenes stuff getting out. It isn't the public's business. Just like friend A (management) and friend B (the employees) have a secret friend C (the consumers) shouldn't know just because it isn't their business. If friend B tells friend C (it's friend A's secret after all) then friend A will cut off relation to friend B due to mistrust.

I'm sorry. I don't pity you.

Originally posted by drbaltazar

i doubt anybody will get your post deleted here .that being said .LEARN TO SPEAK GIRL!

your not in high school.people can understand it if your main langage is english lol but if you speak about something

only one thing is important and it aint the story like you wrote .just the fact will do.

he trow you out of the game because you wouldnt give him your adress etc not vague story i read here lol

i play in wow i have yet to see a post erased there .oh i know some get erased but most of the time the post that get erased have very good reason to be erased

the only thing that could get your post erased is the picture .and if mmorpg do erase it i give them my thumb up because honestly the picture isnt constructive in anyway for the mmo gaming comunity.

Lol, drbaltizar telling someone to learn to speak English...

Originally posted by NinjaNerf

Originally posted by abentwookie

Originally posted by NinjaNerf

Originally posted by abentwookie

Originally posted by NinjaNerf

Originally posted by abentwookie

Originally posted by NinjaNerf

Originally posted by tryklon

 Am I failing something here?

She is saying that Aeria games is crap, but what she really wants is to have that K guy fired to save the game. So Aeria games is not so bad after all if they want to keep playing the game.

This is all out of hatred for that K guy then.

Maybe you could retype the title

 

She said the GM guy was fired for criticizing the quality of Last Chaos.

Anyway, to me the quality of a game can't  be solely judged by a few people's comments, even if they are GM or GS.

I don't and have no intention to play any of the Aeria games but this post doesn't show me the Aeria games are bad.

 

You don't have to take my word for it, ask any of the countless high lvl players that have quit LC. Read through my post again. I listed a bunch of reasons why the game itself is seriously messed up and the list gets bigger with each new patch. lol

And actually, the GM (Krash) got fired for being too close to the community. I guess he was supposed to treat us like credit card numbers the way ksilent does.

The person that was suspended for criticizing Aeria was me. I temporarily lost my GS tags for it but I told them I didn't want them back when they offered to make me a GS again. It was a matter of principle for me.

 

I know what you are trying to tell us but IMO you should tell us how is the game bad according to the GM and GS instead of merely repeatedly referring to the firing.

 

I already did in the original post but i'll sum up the bad things again:

*  You have to spend either thousands of dollars to get high lvl or years of your life. It takes SEVEN years to reach the current level cap (165) without spending a forture on AP.

* Before you can even BEGIN to level you need to spend weeks (or months if you don't buy AP) gaining the massive amount of skill points you'll need.

* The game has many many many bugs, most of which don't get fixed.

* New patches add more bugs.

* We have people who test the new patches for bugs but when they tell Aeria that there are problems, Aeria ignores them and adds the patch anyway.

* All classes only have one gender and race available to them

* Some classes are hopelessly broken.

* They just added a new class that is too overpowered. But that isn't a big problem since you need like 85,000 skill points for it. lol So most players aren't going to spend that kind of time on it.

* Castle Sieges (similar to DAOC in a way) have some serious glitches and exploits. And Aeria allows some guilds (the ones that spend a lot of money on AP) to take advantage of exploits even after people post VIDEOS of them doing it. As a GS, I even witnessed it myself on one occasion. And nothing was done after I reported it.

* Which brings us to the biggest problem. The fact that Aeria lets hackers, scammers, account sharing people, and those committing other bannable offenses keep their accounts if they spend a lot of money on AP. Plenty of vids and ss have been posted about this and nothing is done.

 

You are describing basically all the cash shop games nowadays.

 

PW, RoM, and CA aren't anywhere near as bad as this game. Most of the things (other than some bugs)  I described don't apply to any of them. I've played all three and never saw the things i've seen here at LastChaos.

 

You will change your opinions in a year or 2. Newer cash shop games don't seem to cost too much (if you don't consider $1000 a year is much) but give it a year or 2 you will hear all sort of disgruntled people telling you they wasted 1000s.

See that is what I'm talking about. You talk like $1000 in a year is a lot of money for an mmo. That is actually pretty cheap compared to Last Chaos. I don't think you quite understand the amount of money people spend on LC to make it to the level caps. lol These other games aren't nearly as expensive.

I personally never spent a dime (I also never made it past lvl 100 in two years of playing) on Last Chaos because if I'm going to pay for a game, I'll just player a monthly-fee game and at least have a chance to keep up with everyone else.

Originally posted by abentwookie

See that is what I'm talking about. You talk like $1000 in a year is a lot of money for an mmo. That is actually pretty cheap compared to Last Chaos. I don't think you quite understand the amount of money people spend on LC to make it to the level caps. lol These other games aren't nearly as expensive.

I personally never spent a dime (I also never made it past lvl 100 in two years of playing) on Last Chaos because if I'm going to pay for a game, I'll just player a monthly-fee game and at least have a chance to keep up with everyone else.

If you're spending $1000 a year or even close on an MMO, you're a bloody idiot. Pay your taxes with that money...and people wonder why they're in debt. -_-'

Read my last post, please.

Originally posted by johnmatthais

 I want to make a very important point to you and I want you to stop posting about this helpless cause after it unless it's to comment on my point.

You're complaining about the corruption, but you supported the corruption and told the lies they gave you when you had the job to keep the job. It wasn't until your friend was fired for mysterious circumstances (which is normal, we are in a recession. Even gaming companies are suffering) that you decided to take matters into your own hands, probably attempting to rally support to give him his job back, and get yourself fired and then IP banned for trying to spread the "truth" about Aeria.

It's your own fault. You should have known the company would do that. They don't want the behind the scenes stuff getting out. It isn't the public's business. Just like friend A (management) and friend B (the employees) have a secret friend C (the consumers) shouldn't know just because it isn't their business. If friend B tells friend C (it's friend A's secret after all) then friend A will cut off relation to friend B due to mistrust.

I'm sorry. I don't pity you.

You made some very big assumptions there. First of all, I never told a single lie for Aeria and I never supported the corruption. When I first started noticing some of the issues, I was one of the GSes that constantly asked them what was going on and saying I didn't agree with it. When that didn't solve the problems, I started voicing my opinions more openly in front of the community, which is eventually what got me suspended after I did it many times. I never cared about the GS job itself. If I did, I would have kept my mouth shut like some of the other GSes did. I chose to fight for the community to end the corruption and knew that i would lose my GS job.

And the economy had nothing to do with Krash being fired. Ksilent believes that krash was too close to the community for one thing. And there was backstabbing by a new GM that recently joined them. I'm guessing she was jealous of krash's popularity with the community.

And yes, krash being fired absolutely  was the community's business because he was loved by all of us and because anything involving the game is our business. Without us, THERE IS NO GAME.

Originally posted by johnmatthais

Originally posted by abentwookie

See that is what I'm talking about. You talk like $1000 in a year is a lot of money for an mmo. That is actually pretty cheap compared to Last Chaos. I don't think you quite understand the amount of money people spend on LC to make it to the level caps. lol These other games aren't nearly as expensive.

I personally never spent a dime (I also never made it past lvl 100 in two years of playing) on Last Chaos because if I'm going to pay for a game, I'll just player a monthly-fee game and at least have a chance to keep up with everyone else.

If you're spending $1000 a year or even close on an MMO, you're a bloody idiot. Pay your taxes with that money...and people wonder why they're in debt. -_-'

Read my last post, please.

I don't disagree with you on that particular point but some people spend that in a month on LC and that is no exaggeration. I wish it were because it wouldn't give me such a headache when I think about.

Originally posted by abentwookie 

You made some very big assumptions there. First of all, I never told a single lie for Aeria and I never supported the corruption. When I first started noticing some of the issues, I was one of the GSes that constantly asked them what was going on and saying I didn't agree with it. When that didn't solve the problems, I started voicing my opinions more openly in front of the community, which is eventually what got me suspended after I did it many times. I never cared about the GS job itself. If I did, I would have kept my mouth shut like some of the other GSes did. I chose to fight for the community to end the corruption and knew that i would lose my GS job.

And the economy had nothing to do with Krash being fired. Ksilent believes that krash was too close to the community for one thing. And there was backstabbing by a new GM that recently joined them. I'm guessing she was jealous of krash's popularity with the community.

 

And yes, krash being fired absolutely  was the community's business because he was loved by all of us and because anything involving the game is our business. Without us, THERE IS NO GAME.

Wow, you're full of yourself. You don't get it. GMs and GSs are just positions. They can be replaced in a heartbeat. It doesn't matter how well they do, they can be replaced and run the same events you can.

The thing is, it's a game. It's not about who's running it. As long as the game is running, management could disappear altogether.

The game can survive without you. What it can't survive without is it's players. Seriously, get a grip. A game is nothing if no one's playing it.

Also, stop acting like you're some hero. So what? You told us what we already could have guessed.

Originally posted by johnmatthais

Originally posted by abentwookie 

You made some very big assumptions there. First of all, I never told a single lie for Aeria and I never supported the corruption. When I first started noticing some of the issues, I was one of the GSes that constantly asked them what was going on and saying I didn't agree with it. When that didn't solve the problems, I started voicing my opinions more openly in front of the community, which is eventually what got me suspended after I did it many times. I never cared about the GS job itself. If I did, I would have kept my mouth shut like some of the other GSes did. I chose to fight for the community to end the corruption and knew that i would lose my GS job.

And the economy had nothing to do with Krash being fired. Ksilent believes that krash was too close to the community for one thing. And there was backstabbing by a new GM that recently joined them. I'm guessing she was jealous of krash's popularity with the community.

 

And yes, krash being fired absolutely  was the community's business because he was loved by all of us and because anything involving the game is our business. Without us, THERE IS NO GAME.

Wow, you're full of yourself. You don't get it. GMs and GSs are just positions. They can be replaced in a heartbeat. It doesn't matter how well they do, they can be replaced and run the same events you can.

The thing is, it's a game. It's not about who's running it. As long as the game is running, management could disappear altogether.

The game can survive without you. What it can't survive without is it's players. Seriously, get a grip. A game is nothing if no one's playing it.

Also, stop acting like you're some hero. So what? You told us what we already could have guessed.

lol There was no way I could win the way you set that up. First I was as bad as Aeria if I pretended the corruption didn't exist to keep my GS job and then I'm full of myself when I say I spoke out against it. You were going to flame me regardless of how I answerd the question. lol Interesting logic. Maybe you should consider applying for GM at Aeria. You'd fit in nicely if that's how you discuss things with people. :)

Yes, the GMs and GSes can be replaced but who replaces them can impact the game and the community. When you take away a GOOD GM that actually makes the game more fn for players and replace him with someone that doesn't do the same thing, it hurts the game and the lose players. The same can be said about losing good GSes like myself, Kay, Agrona, Sabbath, the list goes on and on. And we get replaced by GSes that only care about the free AP and don't actually do things to make he community better and the game more fun. Again, LC loses players.

And you're right that the game can't survive without its players. That is the point I tried to make. Without us there is no game.

Originally posted by abentwookie

Originally posted by johnmatthais

Originally posted by abentwookie

Originally posted by johnmatthais

Originally posted by abentwookie

Originally posted by Vinterkrig

wow  volunteer drama is fun!  their business is of zero concern to free help ...  not really seeing the point in all this lol

 

The point is exposing the corruption and lies involving Aeria's current management. I guess its better to stay quiet and let things continue right?

All in all, this does nothing. Most MMO players are going to think you're crying over your lost job and move on with life. Realize that like the same 5 of us have posted in this thread.

 

You didn't read my thread at all did you? I didn't lose any job. The community's favorite GM was fired for being too close to the community. And the GameSages (the volunteers) sacrificed their positions  (and accounts after he banned them) to speak out about it. Half the community is leaving the game. This isn't ONE person whining, its a community. I have always been kind of a spokesperson for the LC community because the players trust me and know that I won't back down when i'm fighting for them.

GS is essentially an unpaid job. Look, I'm trying to tell you now. It's a community of gamers. What happens to that community, as a community, essentially doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. One of two things is going to happen to all of them:

1. They're going to give up and find a new game or stop playing MMOs for a while.

2. They're going to stay in the game anyways because they simply are too attached to leave.

In the grand scheme of things, what does it matter?

 

No, GS is NOT an unpaid job. You can get up to 20k ($200 worth) free AP every month, not to mention all of the free goodies they give GSes along with the AP.

Why does it matter?? Because I believe if Ksilent is fired, the game can be saved. I honestly do. He is the biggest problem with the game right now because of the way he runs things. And then there is the whole
"its a matter of principle" thing. ;) We're all standing up for krash because of everything he did for us when he was a GM. Its about loyalty to your friends.

lol virtual items

this is about the same as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tviPLpD8VG8

Originally posted by abentwookie 

lol There was no way I could win the way you set that up. First I was as bad as Aeria if I pretended the corruption didn't exist to keep my GS job and then I'm full of myself when I say I spoke out against it. You were going to flame me regardless of how I answerd the question. lol Interesting logic. Maybe you should consider applying for GM at Aeria. You'd fit in nicely if that's how you discuss things with people. :)

Yes, the GMs and GSes can be replaced but who replaces them can impact the game and the community. When you take away a GOOD GM that actually makes the game more fn for players and replace him with someone that doesn't do the same thing, it hurts the game and the lose players. The same can be said about losing good GSes like myself, Kay, Agrona, Sabbath, the list goes on and on. And we get replaced by GSes that only care about the free AP and don't actually do things to make he community better and the game more fun. Again, LC loses players.

And you're right that the game can't survive without its players. That is the point I tried to make. Without us there is no game.

Seriously, just stop. This is pointless. Let the community die. If the game is doing that bad, it'll die off, but until you have any proof other than you just being some pissed off ex-"employee" I'd suggest you rest your case. Any dedicated player is going to play despite the GMs and GSs. It has to do with content, not what GM they get to play with. 

Aeria has shown no sign of going down and until it does, I consider you just bitching over your lost monthly AP allowance.

I played all these item mall games,and there is little difference from one to the other,zero content,the only reason to login is to level,waste of time.I knew Aeria was inept right away because after just about every patch there was problems and it was the players that came up with the fixes not Aeria.

Trust me Aeria is not the worst ,Joymax,Frogster[ROM],to name a couple.It seems GM's or any postion above player status is one of a powertrip,certain people feed off this power.

The thing about Item Mall games,is that their goal is to make their money back early on,so they are real nice,then after that they become dicks,I would hope people wake up and NEVER support these garbage games,but there is always people with no money that will continue to join in.Item Mall games are like free trials,they figure to hook you in after a while so you will spend money,more so than any subscription.

YES Aeria games are all about item mall,you DO gain a large advantage using it and is dependant to use the other items like XP pots because around level 40 or so you start to get about .01-.02 xp per kill lmao.

So what i am saying is ,maybe this developer pissed off the OP,don't let that make a difference,DO NOT support ANY of the Item mall games period !.