Explain this to me ....

Why does it concern you so much that we state we are the first AL guild? you say your fed up with the lies we tell to people so tell me who you are protecting? why is it that you feel so strongley in posting? why not let it be and if it's pity you have for us then be pityful and keep your mouth shut! You are calling us immature but you were flaming! and please don't try and make it out as if you were protecting people you were simply flaming! ExGS is a great fun guild because were not so anal retentive that when we see som-one post what we did we won't get pissy about it!

The only reason you call us immature and and bad community is because we aren't submitting to your pointless rant!! if we were to say "Yes random stranger we were wrong" then you'd consider us doing the right thing .... Sorry mate but thats not how it is.

We are not arrogant at all! how are we being arrogant? by stating that we are the first western guild? .... arrogance would be saying "We are better then everyone else. seriously. No joke" are we doing that?! NO! At the end of the day we are not your busniess so stay out of it! We don't like pointless rants from pointless flamers so stay out of our busniess and lastly Why haven't you cancelled your internet yet?

Dear god, if this is the sort of drama-queen, knee-jerk reaction your guild is going to have to a little critcism, you arent going to have members (or a guild) for very long.
To run any sort of online guild (in any style of game) needs patience and diplomacy and a huge lump of 'thinking twice before you speak'.

Aside from that, very entertaining thread

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Originally posted by Eva-01

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Originally posted by superduck441

A guild is a group of players. The fact that in-game ExGS doesn't exist yet doesn't change anything about the fact that ExGS was the first guild. They were a group of players, planning to work together in AL. That's a guild. easy.

That said, I think you've been reacting childish and immature Lex. Good luck with your guild - I won't be part of it anymore.

Eagle Dawn

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Running away from one little argument? mk.

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 The real reason is probably because lmzz seems to be a racist. what he posted in my guild topic:
"guild leader is a dutch prick"

And he also mentioned my nationality in a previous reply, which wasn't positive either. the thing is, Eagle Dawn is also Dutch.

this is,ofcourse, a great example of the great and wonderful community of Exodus syndicate, and how much the leader cares about its members.

Racist eh? I guess your race is white, which I said nothing about. Get your facts straight. 2ndly, I dont care about jack if you say anything about my countrymen so blah. But you did critisize my age, which is why I stooped to your lvl.

In fact I dont care if youre a dutch, american or english prick. Youre just a prick period.

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Originally posted by lmzz
Racist eh? I guess your race is white, which I said nothing about. Get your facts straight. 2ndly, I dont care about jack if you say anything about my countrymen so blah. But you did critisize my age, which is why I stooped to your lvl.

In fact I dont care if youre a dutch, american or english prick. Youre just a prick period.

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then why the heck did you mention my nationality twice if you don't care? I didn't critisize your age, I critisized your behavior and compared it to your age. also, racism isn't only about black and white...

Why not, is it a secret? I didnt say dutch ppl are stupid. I could have called you a gameplaying prick but I just chose to say dutch prick instead. No go back to wherever you wanna affiliate yourself as and leave this thread alone.

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Originally posted by Gameloading

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Originally posted by Eva-01

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Originally posted by superduck441

A guild is a group of players. The fact that in-game ExGS doesn't exist yet doesn't change anything about the fact that ExGS was the first guild. They were a group of players, planning to work together in AL. That's a guild. easy.

That said, I think you've been reacting childish and immature Lex. Good luck with your guild - I won't be part of it anymore.

Eagle Dawn

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Running away from one little argument? mk.

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 The real reason is probably because lmzz seems to be a racist. what he posted in my guild topic:
"guild leader is a dutch prick"

And he also mentioned my nationality in a previous reply, which wasn't positive either. the thing is, Eagle Dawn is also Dutch.

this is,ofcourse, a great example of the great and wonderful community of Exodus syndicate, and how much the leader cares about its members.

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out of ONE of the people, if you meet any one, they are usually nice, and can usually understand what they are saying (pharo :P) And we dont know if he is racistor not, also, lex is a wonderfull leader, he cares about all of us and basically lives and breathes the clan.

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Originally posted by lmzz
Why not, is it a secret? I didnt say dutch ppl are stupid. I could have called you a gameplaying prick but I just chose to say dutch prick instead. No go back to wherever you wanna affiliate yourself as and leave this thread alone.

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No its not a secret, but you did use my nationality as an offence. maybe you didn't mean it that way, but you still did. you put my nationality right in front of an insult twice...what the heck were you thinking? it makes no sense you mention my nationality to start with, it has nothing to do with anything.

And maybe you didnt mean offense when you hijacked this thread, but you did. Get my point? Useless and unnecessary.

So, shall we move on?

Ok... this has all gotten way out of hand...

You have acomplished making the ExGS appear to total asses by changing words around and in fact changing your own words around to better the argument. "OH NO I DIDNT MEAN THAT I JUST MEANT THIS"...

Its old and im done with it allready...

I feel it  is unfair for the rest of the gaming community here on MMORPG.COM to get the wrong idea of ExGS without getting to know the members and the environment we provide.

ExGS simply stated to you that we feel we ARE the first western Archlord guild and that if u felt otherwise its YOUR opinion and we are in no place to change YOUR opinion...

BUT... here is the nice thing about OPINIONS... YOU can have your OWN...

And ExGS can have our OWN...

I mean come on now... Just drop it... Its not like the world has come to an end because ExGS said we are a "ARCHLORD GUILD"... this is ALL getting very childish and needs to end.. This topic is for recruiting... not for all this banter and throwing back and forth of PUBLIC degrating... U have something to say to the ExGS? Please PM either Lex or I (SuperDadAce) and we would be happy to have a CIVIL conversation with you.

You took a stand the second you posted your first comment...

ANd ever since you took that stand you have not cared to think of things in a different light...

WE ARE NOT YOU, AND WE ARE NOT YOUR GUILDMATES...

We feel differently about things and we see things differently...

Part of the reason people died in wars for YEARS was to give us all this RIGHT to our OWN opinions...

We have no desire to change YOUR opinion on "What is a guild or not" or "Whether or not ExGS was the first Archlord Guild"

We could care less... Its YOUR opinion and you are intitled to it...

So please.. Take your rants elsewhere, or bring them straight to us. No need to flood the boards of MMORPG.com with this nonsense anylonger.

Also as a member of the ExGS I apoligise to the gaming community here on MMORPG.COM for myself and for the other members of my guild involved in this little banter fest.

No it was not needed, and yes it should have ended a long time ago..

But, we tried to simply state our view on it and leave it behind but others on these boards seemed to be DETERMINED to make their point be heard, seen, and written on the 10 commandments....

We here in the ExGS take deep pride in our family... And attacking our guild as a whole as these people have done is unacceptable.

So anyways, Once again I say "I am sorry for those who had to hear and see the ExGS in this way" but our family is our greatest strength and we will not sit around calmly and let it be defaced.

And to the oppressors here on MMORPG.COM that seem to hate a group of people SOOO much that they know NOTHING about, I bid the farewell and wish you all the luck in Archlord or any other games you all might play. If our comment of being the FIRST ARCHLORD GUILD bothered you I apologise on behalf of ExGS, but I do not change our opinion.

We are the ExGS...

And we ARE the FIRST ARCHLORD GUILD!

And we are here to stay...

Ace

If you feel it as an opinion, then you should stop acting like its a fact. its that simple. the whole Idea about you being the first Archlord guild just because you made a forum topic is simply rediculous, and if you would have seen it from the sideline you would agree with me.The only reason you think its acceptable and normal is because it brings your guild on the bright side.  There are more archlord guilds that want the title of the first Archlord guild.

 My guild, for example. we don't really care if we become the first Archlord guild or not, but we DO want to give it a go for that title. we already are busy preparing to become the first Archlord guild, only to hear you say: "Sorry, not going to happen. despite all your efforts of planning and hard work, your not the first guild because we created the first forum topic" and thats the thing that bothers me.

you guys are taking out one of the most exciting aspects of being part of a brand new mmorpg by saying it. the TRUE first archlord guild, the one that actually worked hard for it won't get recognition because you make people believe YOU are the first archlord guild.

and thats what bothers me. You guys can be the first Archlord guild, I don't mind. its not jealousy. but Credit should be given to those who actually deserve it.

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Originally posted by Gameloading
If you feel it as an opinion, then you should stop acting like its a fact. its that simple. the whole Idea about you being the first Archlord guild just because you made a forum topic is simply rediculous, and if you would have seen it from the sideline you would agree with me. There are more archlord guilds that want the title of the first Archlord guild.

 My guild, for example. we don't really care if we become the first Archlord guild or not, but we DO want to give it a go for that title. we already are busy preparing to become the first Archlord guild, only to hear you say: "Sorry, not going to happen. despite all your efforts of planning and hard work, your not the first guild because we created the first forum topic" and thats the thing that bothers me.

you guys are taking out one of the most exciting aspects of being part of a brand new mmorpg by saying it. the TRUE first archlord guild, the one that actually worked hard for it won't get recognition because you make people believe YOU are the first archlord guild.

and thats what bothers me. You guys can be the first Archlord guild, I don't mind. its not jealousy. but Credit should be given to those who actually deserve it.

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K. Who cares any more. Also, you get botherd by what we say? THEN BEAT US AT IT. Shut up.

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Originally posted by Eva-01

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Originally posted by Gameloading
If you feel it as an opinion, then you should stop acting like its a fact. its that simple. the whole Idea about you being the first Archlord guild just because you made a forum topic is simply rediculous, and if you would have seen it from the sideline you would agree with me. There are more archlord guilds that want the title of the first Archlord guild.

 My guild, for example. we don't really care if we become the first Archlord guild or not, but we DO want to give it a go for that title. we already are busy preparing to become the first Archlord guild, only to hear you say: "Sorry, not going to happen. despite all your efforts of planning and hard work, your not the first guild because we created the first forum topic" and thats the thing that bothers me.

you guys are taking out one of the most exciting aspects of being part of a brand new mmorpg by saying it. the TRUE first archlord guild, the one that actually worked hard for it won't get recognition because you make people believe YOU are the first archlord guild.

and thats what bothers me. You guys can be the first Archlord guild, I don't mind. its not jealousy. but Credit should be given to those who actually deserve it.

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K. Who cares any more. Also, you get botherd by what we say? THEN BEAT US AT IT. Shut up.

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You guys, obviously. by the way, is swearing a standard with you guys or something? because thats all I see you do. "shut up this, shut up that"why don't you add something usefull to this topic when you reply?
Anyway, I'm done here. I hope you guys will get off your high horse and get real soon, because right now, your ruining a lot of fun for a lot of people. Everybody should get a fair chance at the title. and you refuse to give others that. instead of looking at me like a person who doesn't know what the hell he's talking, think about what I said.

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Originally posted by Gameloading

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Originally posted by Eva-01

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Originally posted by Gameloading
If you feel it as an opinion, then you should stop acting like its a fact. its that simple. the whole Idea about you being the first Archlord guild just because you made a forum topic is simply rediculous, and if you would have seen it from the sideline you would agree with me. There are more archlord guilds that want the title of the first Archlord guild.

 My guild, for example. we don't really care if we become the first Archlord guild or not, but we DO want to give it a go for that title. we already are busy preparing to become the first Archlord guild, only to hear you say: "Sorry, not going to happen. despite all your efforts of planning and hard work, your not the first guild because we created the first forum topic" and thats the thing that bothers me.

you guys are taking out one of the most exciting aspects of being part of a brand new mmorpg by saying it. the TRUE first archlord guild, the one that actually worked hard for it won't get recognition because you make people believe YOU are the first archlord guild.

and thats what bothers me. You guys can be the first Archlord guild, I don't mind. its not jealousy. but Credit should be given to those who actually deserve it.

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K. Who cares any more. Also, you get botherd by what we say? THEN BEAT US AT IT. Shut up.

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You guys, obviously. by the way, is swearing a standard with you guys or something? because thats all I see you do. "shut up this, shut up that"why don't you add something usefull to this topic when you reply?
Anyway, I'm done here. I hope you guys will get off your high horse and get real soon, because right now, your ruining a lot of fun for a lot of people. Everybody should get a fair chance at the title. and you refuse to give others that. instead of looking at me like a person who doesn't know what the hell he's talking, think about what I said.

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Swearing is a habbit of mine. Also, giving a chance, give me a break. It's not like when we say we are going to be the first AL in the game, is ruining any one elses chances. Basically you are saying that we are going to get it and no one else will have a chance. KTHXBAI

I dont know much about ExGs  i was a member for a few weeks...this whole ordeal pertaining to the first AL guild when US/Eu Al doesnt even exist is  a bit childish....and I joined ExGs because they claimed to be hardcore which is what I consider myself  but after reading these post made by its members * some of which are at the age of 14 by there own admission on ExgS website*  I feel its probbaly best Im not a part of the so called first AL guild.. ... even tho whom ever is the first really doesnt matter...what good does being the first do? if i made a guild called fluffy pandas eat pancakes woot woot ( FPEPWW) b4 anyone else simply because i met the guild creation reqs.. does that do anything for me?  NO it doesnt.. acomplishments in game will help a guild not what time of that guilds creation.. but hey its my comments not fact...take it as you will

IMO  guild leaders i follow should not ever lower them selves to the level of potential flamers...tho  what comments are made by others about ExgS  have merrit.. for weeks I proudly represented ExGs ..i shall not any more

insecurity plays a big part of alot of this..If a guiild was so secure ...why even respond to these comments?

and as a guild leader you set an example for the rest of the guild...a guild has a image...both have been tarnished IMO  

something for everyone who flamed..dissed...responded negativly in this post..even the ExGs members and including the non ExGS members...  *** the smallest dogs always bark the loudest** 

we all know what small dogs do....nuthin....but .. bark... big dogs  bite...and in this forums there is alot of barking from both sides...

and FYI    ive read ExGs has 120 members?  if they are all planing to play AL then that in its self will be the end of the so called first Western world AL guild   as there is a guild population cap  as shown here Via ExgS sources  http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g172/hijikata_jin/untitled-2.jpg ..having that many people in one AL guild isnt wise.. and the guild leaders abilitys reflect the guild capacity...IMO which at this point is quite low...lexion you bash.. you flame... you spend more time defending what you claim is fact then you do actually spending time learning of AL to better your guild IMO on AL forums ive seen you only post in the Guild section..yet you ask for active members on your forums...aside from me and draculia and eagle dawn who respresent  ExGs?  anyway  im not longer a member of ExGs being the type of people the gen.pop of ExGS is ..im sure all who read this will soon see a response to it...probbaly flaming me or someother  negatory statement  ...no matter  I do hope to see plenty of exgs in beta if im accepted and i hope to see them in retail when i finnaly get a card that can support it ^_^ and i still have respect for dracula...the main reason i was a part of ExGS for my very short time

Dear hijikata, either you get it or you dont, simple as that. Posting pics of our forums is a serious offense and you should know better. You havent been in the ExGS to know anything about us really, were you ever on Vent for example? No. Were you ever involved or gave opinions? No. To me, youre one of the invisible members and you leaving wont change anything.


For everyone else, I repeat, step out of our thread. I care less if you are bothered by the fact that we call ourselfs the first AL guild, its whiny and annoying and you know it.


"because right now, your ruining a lot of fun for a lot of people. Everybody should get a fair chance at the title. and you refuse to give others that. instead of looking at me like a person who doesn't know what the hell he's talking, think about what I said."

Holy hell Niels, what are you, five?? We´re not refusing you anything, whats wrong with you?? You said it wasnt about jealousy, or envy as its supposed to be in this case but the word is explained as this:

Wikipedia:

Envy is the desire for another's traits, status, abilities, station, or worldly goods. It need not be associated with an object; its salient characteristic is the unfavorable comparison of one's own status with that of another.


So why are you envious if you consider what we say a blatant lie? One or the other have to go.

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Originally posted by lmzz
Dear hijikata, either you get it or you dont, simple as that. Posting pics of our forums is a serious offense and you should know better. You havent been in the ExGS to know anything about us really, were you ever on Vent for example? No. Were you ever involved or gave opinions? No. To me, youre one of the invisible members and you leaving wont change anything.


For everyone else, I repeat, step out of our thread. I care less if you are bothered by the fact that we call ourselfs the first AL guild, its whiny and annoying and you know it.


"because right now, your ruining a lot of fun for a lot of people. Everybody should get a fair chance at the title. and you refuse to give others that. instead of looking at me like a person who doesn't know what the hell he's talking, think about what I said."

Holy hell Niels, what are you, five?? We´re not refusing you anything, whats wrong with you?? You said it wasnt about jealousy, or envy as its supposed to be in this case but the word is explained as this:

Wikipedia:

Envy is the desire for another's traits, status, abilities, station, or worldly goods. It need not be associated with an object; its salient characteristic is the unfavorable comparison of one's own status with that of another.


So why are you envious if you consider what we say a blatant lie? One or the other have to go.

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your right man...I appologize  for loggin onto a empty ventrillo server...80% of the time  and when there are the few 3 members on vent when I do log in..they are in the WoW2 channel..Im sorry for being a member who activly was logged into ExGs.com and was reading the valid post that I felt as a Guild member and Archlord to be gamer..im also even more sorry for being part of the Archlord community and wanting to share information about archlord..which is what that picture was..hint guy..this isnt some sort of competition..we are all in the same boat..wanting to beta test and play AL...Im sorry for representing your guild proudly even tho I knew nothing or very little about it..s the dedicated guild member I am...again I am sorrry for all the bad bad evil things i Did..and for the opinions i didnt give..even tho in several topics on ExgS i have posted my views..Plz re-erad your Al section of your Site Sir.Ex-guild leader...I might have been a invisible member of your guild..but look at the forums bro....count how many of your member represent your guild with some sort of pride...look back at how many times ive represented the guild as a so called invisible member...but you probbaly dont look at that do you?  after all your too busy bashing Dkshadow or ziant...your too busy defending yourself against a claim that doesnt really matter... ...take a moment...and re read this post....I dont bash you or Exgs  i dont dis you or Exgs and whilst  again  its possibly true my leaving wont have any effect just as me joing had no effect..other will look upon this...and a image will form of your guild...the actions and responses taken by exgs form a image  which depending on the person will have an effect...me leaving and my responses do how ever effect taht image..and images do change things..tho I still keep respect for you and for Exgs..for being on the AL community and for being a guild im sure you wont return that same respect to me..which is fine..but you cant walk across a burnt bridge

and instead of taking my critism * mind spelling im not good at it* and using it positivly and maybee try to change some of teh views on ExGs in the AL community ou just spurt more negative comments..this will be my final post in your FORUM section but good luck  with ExGs after all you got your members without any member such as my self repping your guild tag....and you continually grow without any assistance from  ex-invisilbe guild members such as myself this is good you will prosper...well  i hope we see each other in beta and if not definatly in retail  and I hope to see more then one member of ExGS ( VD)  representing your guild..but I suppose you clinging to that one ....and only one....saying of * the first western world Al guild* is enough representation

niguru...nigate....shinae........ and i do thank you for not being as rude to me as you were to others...lol im not as kind when it comes to words when im crossed ^_^

hijikata lets set something straight, heres some facts for you:

member : hijikata

Joined:  Jun 22, 2006

Total posts:  8

Call that alot? Not by ExGS standard. Im on Vent almost 24/7, as is at least 10 other ppl. Ive never talked to you on Vent and Ive asked around, no one else has ever spoken to you either.


Too busy bashing DkShadow and Ziant? I do believe they came to us first. When one of our members posted in their threads on archlordgame.com, I stepped in and asked them not to post anything derogatory in anyone elses recruiting thread, thats how I run my business and thats how I expect others to run theirs.

This is even more petty than the flaming going on. I could hardly make out that last post anyway. You made your choice, now leave.

OMG, did any of you pass from the 2nd grade.. Is this all you have to do,   man there are a lot of games out there go play one and Get off this as it has gotten OLD...

Point is WHO THE HELL CARES>> I really dont feel 90% of peeps or more give a flip one way or the other..

Boy, you can sure tell when the children are out of school.. as it is just kids that do this as a diet.. Go, play something and let this DIE...

You are all starting to sound like a bunch of OLD HENS CLUCKING and just making noise...

GIVE IT UP>>>>>

Well I stopped reading all that junk ect. after the 2nd page... GL to your guild and maybe KungPow will see you in game ;)