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Everquest II Forum » The Tavern (General) » The Official "We're Angry at SOE" thread

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  Stradden

Managing Editor

Joined: 7/08/05
Posts: 6729

 
OP  5/24/06 12:48:35 PM#1

Hi Guys,

It seems as though there has been quite a bit of SOE hate recently, and it has gotten to the point where it is taking over the forums for SOE games. As a result, I am creating this sticky where people can vent their frustrations on this subject.

Please do not continue to hijack other threads with this issue. Also, remember to have a look at our Rules of Conduct regarding what is ok to say and what is not.

Cheers,

Jon "Stradden" Wood, Community Manager

Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com

  cumbom

Novice Member

Joined: 8/06/04
Posts: 552

5/25/06 2:59:57 AM#2
I HATE SOE

Never again will they get a dime from me.

Hope I am still first on this thread.

SWG RIP
moctodumegws
Can't WAIT!

  Nikoz78

Advanced Member

Joined: 4/04/06
Posts: 940

Goonies Never Say Die!

5/25/06 11:10:25 AM#3
DOWN WITH SOE!! "SOE HATERS OF THE WORLD, UNITE!!"  lol


I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.

  Leasa

Novice Member

Joined: 5/02/05
Posts: 447

To all of you that think your parents are boring...They got boring to raise you !!

5/25/06 11:57:15 AM#4

Good Lord another Ghetto for SOE haters.  Why is this in the EQ2 catagory ???  Its bad enough having one in the SWG forum but here also ??

What next, Sticky for DDO haters ??  What about WOW haters ??

I think you have really lost it now.

Support Bacteria, its the only culture some people have.

  mangar

Advanced Member

Joined: 12/18/04
Posts: 267

5/25/06 6:25:09 PM#5

I hate SoE they beat me up, take my lunch money and stole my girlfriend.

 

Then they killed my puppy, ate all my food, called me bad names and then spanked me… OK so I kind of was into the spanking but Waaaahh I hate SoE

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  cumbom

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Joined: 8/06/04
Posts: 552

5/25/06 6:45:08 PM#6
I was thinking yesterday that it would be nice to have a place to send those who are considering playing an SOE game so that they can inform themselves on what they are getting into.

So I started a blog site called The Informed Gamer and I want to post a definitive record of what the users of SOE and SWG in particular have endured, and I am not only talking about gameplay but also customer service and technical support issues as well.

I don't like writing pure opinion, I would like to back it up with as much evidence as possible.  Any articles or even customer service tickets, stories, and what not would be appreciated, it can be posted here, pm'd, or later when I register an email address for this purpose I will include it here.

Also if anyone of you would like to contribute to the project please let me know.

SWG RIP
moctodumegws
Can't WAIT!

  Flem

Lore Seeker

Joined: 6/24/02
Posts: 2834

Come Get Some!!

5/25/06 7:10:16 PM#7
I Looove SOE, wait where am i, damn, wrong thread...ok where is the official "We Love SOE" thread.
  hercules

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/21/03
Posts: 4799

5/26/06 9:10:15 AM#8

I think they made a sticky for the SoE hater on all their games so its fitting EQ2 shoulde have one too.

But i love this forum.Since EQ2 is really one of the games SoE has handled well its so easy to finish off SoE haters here thus there are only a few who even dare try and they get blasted.

But SWG is another matter

  VicodinTaco

Advanced Member

Joined: 2/28/05
Posts: 679

5/26/06 3:45:47 PM#9

I enjoyed SWG when it first came out for about 2 months.  The quests were horrid, and the while the harvesting and crafting system was AWESOME, the final result of crafting was not.   Right when I thought about giving SWG a second try I started to hear how screwed up the game was.

I was REALLY pissed when EQ2 was first released.  What the hell was that?  Only able to sell if your on-line?  Since then the game has improved incredibly.

So I'm only a little angry at SOE.  SWG wasn't all that great to begin with so I cancelled, and EQ2 is a pretty good game. 

I can't wait to see all the crying/trolling etc. that's going to hit the fan when Vanguard comes out.  I'm not going to touch that game untill it's been out for 6-8 months (but that probably goes for any game).  I can GUARANTEE that the game will be released in the same fashion and quality as EQ2 was.  Do you think your going to have all the 3rd generation functionality promised to be in the game at launch?  Waiting even a month to realease a game for a few in game issues costs hundreds of thousands of dollars.  This one's being released with problems, just in time to ruin your Christmas

I'll let all you fanbois beta test the retail version of game for me. 

All that said, I am still looking foward to playing Vanguard. 

  Niber

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/27/05
Posts: 203

5/27/06 4:28:11 AM#10

Another SOE hater here. My experience is mainly with Everquest2. 

Things I hate:

  Tiny unfinished expansions I pay full price for. 

  Renaming old zones and calling them new ones.

  Level 10 Blobs that you'll see again at level 40, 50, 60 and 70.

  Laggy raid zones. (So much for instancing!)

  Poor itemization, yup, it doesn't matter if you raid, the items all stink. (SEE: Deathtoll)

  Raiding based on "required classes" not skill or strategy.

  PvP completely unbalanced, some classes are way better than others.

  Chinese themed expansion packs -- where's the fantasy!

  Constant class nerfs, who knows what your class will be tomorrow!

  Tradeskills, why bother? They're pointless.

  Poor communication from SOE on EVERYTHING.

  User Deleted
5/28/06 6:03:15 AM#11

Originally posted by Niber

Another SOE hater here. My experience is mainly with Everquest2. 

Things I hate:

  Tiny unfinished expansions I pay full price for. 

  Renaming old zones and calling them new ones.

  Level 10 Blobs that you'll see again at level 40, 50, 60 and 70.

Common problem in all MMO's

  Laggy raid zones. (So much for instancing!)

  Poor itemization, yup, it doesn't matter if you raid, the items all stink. (SEE: Deathtoll)

I have to agree with you on this one partially, the art in this really is not that good when it comes to items like weapons and armor. Everything looks so drab and blobby

  Raiding based on "required classes" not skill or strategy.

  PvP completely unbalanced, some classes are way better than others.

Yup, class balancing is a b**ch in all games. DAoC and almost all other PvP have been battling this from the start.

  Chinese themed expansion packs -- where's the fantasy!

Correct me if I am wrong but Chinese "fantasy" is just as fantasy as european? I guess if you are from China you might not to excited about that. 

  Constant class nerfs, who knows what your class will be tomorrow!

ug, SOE is a great fan of the 'revamp". I wish they would stop it.

  Tradeskills, why bother? They're pointless.

Howso?

  Poor communication from SOE on EVERYTHING.

Name me a company that is good lol. Horizons is the only game I know where the president of the company replies to players post.


  godpuppet

Novice Member

Joined: 12/06/05
Posts: 1428

5/29/06 2:53:59 AM#12
SOE have had some great game ideas thrown at them. But they always seem to **** up. SOE need to stop chasing the quick buck and learn this is a long term business. Treat your community right and they will ensure you $$$ to come.

Unfortunately SOE will never run out of money so it lies on management or new management to understand this simple fact, pick up the pieces and try to make things right.

They can start by fixing the goddamn bugs in these shitty games they keep making.

---

  cumbom

Novice Member

Joined: 8/06/04
Posts: 552

6/01/06 5:34:16 PM#13
As mentioned before:

I am writing a few articles for my Informed Gamer blog about SOE and the treatment of their customers.

If you want to share your stories with me for the article but don't want to post it here please feel free to send your testimonial to informedgamer@gmail.com

Thanks.

SWG RIP
moctodumegws
Can't WAIT!

  Niber

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/27/05
Posts: 203

6/03/06 8:19:59 PM#14

Originally posted by Torak

Originally posted by Niber

Another SOE hater here. My experience is mainly with Everquest2. 

Things I hate:

  Tiny unfinished expansions I pay full price for. 

  Renaming old zones and calling them new ones.

  Level 10 Blobs that you'll see again at level 40, 50, 60 and 70.

Common problem in all MMO's

  Laggy raid zones. (So much for instancing!)

  Poor itemization, yup, it doesn't matter if you raid, the items all stink. (SEE: Deathtoll)

I have to agree with you on this one partially, the art in this really is not that good when it comes to items like weapons and armor. Everything looks so drab and blobby

  Raiding based on "required classes" not skill or strategy.

  PvP completely unbalanced, some classes are way better than others.

Yup, class balancing is a b**ch in all games. DAoC and almost all other PvP have been battling this from the start.

I agree it's no easy task.

But to design your game around PvE then as an afterthought a year later put in a half hearted attempt at PvP to earn a quick buck doesn't give it justice.

Chinese themed expansion packs -- where's the fantasy!

Correct me if I am wrong but Chinese "fantasy" is just as fantasy as european? I guess if you are from China you might not to excited about that.

I wouldn't want a European expansion either.  I believe true fantasy must be rooted in fiction.

  Constant class nerfs, who knows what your class will be tomorrow!

ug, SOE is a great fan of the 'revamp". I wish they would stop it.

  Tradeskills, why bother? They're pointless.

Howso?

With the new "revamped" ez-craft system tradeskillers pump out product faster than it sells.  Most jewelry, armor, tailoring, and carpentry tradeskillers aren't even used because of dropped items being so much better.

  Poor communication from SOE on EVERYTHING.

Name me a company that is good lol. Horizons is the only game I know where the president of the company replies to players post.

I could name a few.  But I don't want this to turn into a [this game] vs SOE thread.  I'd perfer to focus on the points in EQ2 I dislike in hopes they one day improve.


Another thing I would like to include in my, "gripe list".

Poor NETCODE!  I'm not sure the exact terminonogy, so I use the one I remember from my FPS days.

I thought instancing was SUPPOSE to limit lag.  Not in Everquest 2, mob scripts, or more then one guild doing the same instance  will make some encounters completely unplayable.

Some other MMOs are supporting 40-50 or more players in a raid, EQ2's instancing has trouble supporting 2 24 man guilds running seperate zones at the same time!

For those people who are raiding T7 here's an example. The final guy in Lyceum sometimes broadcasts messages 4-5 minutes behind when he should or try running Vyemm with 2 or more raids on your server doing the same zone.  (Also see; Tarinax in Deathtoll)

  tevoyaostiar

Novice Member

Joined: 11/28/05
Posts: 4

6/04/06 5:29:36 PM#15

I was a player of SWG, and SOE really ruined the game i loved, but i have to say that now with EQ2 im quite satisfied.

Sure there is some people who still rather the poligonal/childish graphics and boring content of WoW against the amazing looking shiny armours and really extensive list of thing to do of EQ2, and I respect that, but come on, a post of "we're angry at SOE" in the EQ2 forums? I really think this is way out of character here, should be in other forum

  Lenval

Novice Member

Joined: 6/08/06
Posts: 1

6/10/06 1:43:12 PM#16

I've played a slew of mmorpg's and I've found SOE's customer service more than adequate compared to others.

In addition, I have felt more immersion in both EQ's than other games.

All of the reasons listed to hate SOE are customer opinions, just like my opinion of liking SOE.   So this thread does have a valid reason to exist.

  generis2

Novice Member

Joined: 6/07/06
Posts: 16

6/11/06 11:08:22 AM#17

EQ2 was fun for me for the first 15 months or so.  But the problem was that in order for them to chase WoW and that monster of a market-share machine, they were constantly changing things.  I do not mean just features but actual game mechanics (zone revamp, experience revamp, combat revamp, death penalty revamp, class revamp, TS revamp, travel revamp ... yadda yadda) you name it, they revamped it!  For good or bad these changes are, it just became a toll after a while to have to adjust and that's what killed the fun for me. 

Oh yeah, the biggest beef I had with EQ2 is the daily server reset (the down time is right smack in the center of Asian peak hours). 

These are actually all semi-small issues that added up to be a big problem over time that caused people like me to quit and also the cause of the dissapointment in SOE.

Never-the-less, I'll will be back for more of SOE with Vanguard!

  Nihilis

Novice Member

Joined: 10/22/04
Posts: 120

The wind, sharp as razors, whispers your name in its invisible labyrinth of hidden mystery.

6/18/06 1:20:30 AM#18
 I too have a large problem with $OE due to many reasons previously mentioned.  I got EQ2 when it came out and the game was horrid, it wasn't even finished.  $OE rushed it out the door to compete with WoW and ended up losing at least half of it's subscriptions within 2 months.  Now that $OE has finished the retail version of EQ2 it's pretty fun and I enjoy it as it's currently the MMO I play probably until LOTR comes out and I'll play that until WAR is released.

 I was excited about Vanguard as well but when I heard of $OE's involvement I was rather upset.  As a previous poster stated you know that $OE will pull the same crap they have with all their other games.  They're going to ship Vanguard unfinished and finish it 6 months later with the money you paid them FOR the retail version to already be completed.  As stated in a link posted it's like paying the downpayment on your car and paying each month while your car is shipped in pieces to you each month.

 I'll look into Vanguard a year from now when it's actually finished, if it wasn't for $OE I'd pick it up when it shipped instead of LOTR.

"Time.." I chuckled "I hold no secret to time, though it's mystery puzzles me. Deny it's existence and lie to myself not with hopes of a quickened pace."

  ccfallout

Apprentice Member

Joined: 6/27/06
Posts: 3

6/27/06 2:30:23 AM#19

Originally posted by Niber

Another SOE hater here. My experience is mainly with Everquest2. 

Things I hate:

  Tiny unfinished expansions I pay full price for. 

  Renaming old zones and calling them new ones.

  Level 10 Blobs that you'll see again at level 40, 50, 60 and 70.

  Laggy raid zones. (So much for instancing!)

  Poor itemization, yup, it doesn't matter if you raid, the items all stink. (SEE: Deathtoll)

  Raiding based on "required classes" not skill or strategy.

  PvP completely unbalanced, some classes are way better than others.

  Chinese themed expansion packs -- where's the fantasy!

  Constant class nerfs, who knows what your class will be tomorrow!

  Tradeskills, why bother? They're pointless.

  Poor communication from SOE on EVERYTHING.


I like this.  you complain that the classes are unbalanced.  so SOE tries to do something about it and you complain aobut them changing the classes.  lol.  damned if they do, damned if they don't.
  Niber

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/27/05
Posts: 203

7/03/06 11:34:22 PM#20

Originally posted by ccfallout

Originally posted by Niber

Another SOE hater here. My experience is mainly with Everquest2. 

Things I hate:

  Tiny unfinished expansions I pay full price for. 

  Renaming old zones and calling them new ones.

  Level 10 Blobs that you'll see again at level 40, 50, 60 and 70.

  Laggy raid zones. (So much for instancing!)

  Poor itemization, yup, it doesn't matter if you raid, the items all stink. (SEE: Deathtoll)

  Raiding based on "required classes" not skill or strategy.

  PvP completely unbalanced, some classes are way better than others.

  Chinese themed expansion packs -- where's the fantasy!

  Constant class nerfs, who knows what your class will be tomorrow!

  Tradeskills, why bother? They're pointless.

  Poor communication from SOE on EVERYTHING.


I like this.  you complain that the classes are unbalanced.  so SOE tries to do something about it and you complain aobut them changing the classes.  lol.  damned if they do, damned if they don't.


This is what you don't understand.  I'm guessing because you don't play or don't play a lot. So I'll attempt to explain this to you.

Brigands, Furys are unbalanced in PvP. Not many will argue, although I'm sure the degree can be argued.

So what do they do.. completely rewrite the way stuns work.  Balancing is good, when you have some kind of clue where balance is needed.  Throwing darts at a dart board and saying.. "X-class" is next to get nerfed is not the way to make your customers happy.

What is it, two years later? And they COMPLETELY change the way a key mechanic (stuns) work? Amazing. Balancing is one thing, but un-needed and un-called for nerfs to classes who aren't overpowered while other classes slip by is fustrating and counter productive.

I guess next time I have to write full paragraphs for each reason.



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