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Everquest II Forum » The Tavern (General) » SOE changes Gold membership plan

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  AwDiddums

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1/05/14 9:25:50 AM#21
Originally posted by aspekx
Originally posted by Kyllien

This is right from the email notification:

 

"

For EverQuest, EverQuest II, and PlanetSide 2: A new benefit allowing you to select one single item valued up to 2000 SC each month in each of the qualifying games -- EverQuest, EverQuest II and PlanetSide 2. Nearly all items within the games’ Marketplace will be available for this selection. Player Studio items, bundles and additional exclusions may apply. This new benefit must be claimed each month that you are a member as it will not carry over to subsequent months.
For DCUO: A similar benefit that grants a form of in-game currency called Loyalty Points. Each month you will be granted 500 Loyalty Points (worth $5 USD) that you will be able to use at a special Loyalty Vendor to purchase Marketplace items. Your Loyalty Points will stack – meaning you can save up Loyalty Points in order to make larger purchases – but you must log into the game at least one time each month in order to collect them. DLC packs will not be purchasable with Loyalty Points.
 

"

So it looks like the only thing that is changing is instead of getting 500 SC every month now you get 2000 SC every month.  With the catch that you can only use it on one item.

This is also the only change they are making so the other benifits of subscribing are still there. 

I guess the whole thing comes down to is $20 a month to spend worth the same as waiting 4 months to build up to the same $20.  Oh and if you have All-Access you potentially have up to $60 a month to spend ($20 a time in each game).  Before you only got 500 SC to use between all your games.

This is not a deal breaker for me.  But it also will depend heavily on what is offered in the marketplace.

ihave been a StationPass member off and on for a number of years, i have never received any more than one deposit of 500SC to my main account. im still confused by what you and Lok are claiming is going on. perhaps ive been bugged all this time and didn't know it.

 

also, i think a lot of ppl agree with you on seeing what's offered and making a decision.

 

in the end however, i really do believe SOE no longer cares about subs longterm. so all these ppl cancelling are probably exactly what they were hoping for. cancel sub => pay more in end in a cash shop.

Only 500 SC for the entire station pass?

I've stockpiled all the SC they give me each month for being a member, I don't use it at all across any of the games I currently have that use SC, however I do see this as a downgrade for all of the SoE games.

 

  Raxeon

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1/05/14 9:29:57 AM#22
if people just stopped buying formt eh shops for a couple of games then maybe they would go back to subs
  AwDiddums

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1/05/14 9:32:55 AM#23
Originally posted by Ravenwolfie
Originally posted by aspekx

basically, you will no longer rec'v your 500SC a month. instead you will get a coupon to purchase ONE item worth up to 2000SC. and oh ya, don't forget the restrictions: no bundles, etc.

 

personally, it's a clear move to rid themselves of subscribers. it is financially more feasible to goto Walmart get their 2000SC/15$ card and go from there.

 

i suspect this answers an earlier question i raised on the forums concerning payment models and EQN/L: they don't want your sub, because they are counting on you paying more for shop items.

 

and as i mentioned in an even earlier post: Here comes the nickled and dimed. once they remove the sub the customer has only two options buy what SOE requires or pressures; or they can find another game.

Well there is one use for this, assuming you can use the credits for your next month, you would only have to actually pay for your subscription every other month.

You can't use SC to buy a subscription, Kronos is the method to extend gaming time or to use your CC directly.

 

  trancefate

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1/05/14 9:35:48 AM#24

This just caused me to cancel my Station Pass. I am a DIE HARD SOE fan and this coming month will be the first time my subscription to their services will have had a lapse since EQ1.

 

The reason? This is obvious maneuvering to give an illusory beneficial effect to their customer base while actually saving them selves ~$5 a month by screwing customers.

 

P.S. There isn't anything IN the PS2 cash store you can give me, I have ALL the unlocks and I like the way my vehicles look. Also WTF would I want from the EQ2 Cash store!? I already have seven years worth of purchased cosmetics and endgame raid gear?

 

 

 

TLDR: I used to keep my sub active to stockpile the 500 points no matter what. Now I have canceled and am questioning whether these tactics reveal deeper implications about the quality of your upcoming title.

  Po_gg

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1/05/14 9:49:46 AM#25

I play only DCUO nowadays - and not even on Legendary at the moment - so I just followed the announcement as a curious bystander :)

As I see, the DCUO players on PC are mostly unaffected by this change, but of course only if every item will be available at the Loyalty vendor as well.

Players in EU will be even more unaffected, according to Radar:

https://forums.station.sony.com/dcuo/index.php?threads/2014-pc-legendary-membership-benefits-update.184918/page-10#post-2215362

  Soki123

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1/05/14 9:58:00 AM#26
Will we keep the already stockpiled amounts? Or are they taking that away too.
  aspekx

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OP  1/05/14 10:02:26 PM#27
Originally posted by Soki123
Will we keep the already stockpiled amounts? Or are they taking that away too.

no, they made it very clear that what you have you own. it's yours and it's not going anywhere.

"There are at least two kinds of games.
One could be called finite, the other infinite.
A finite game is played for the purpose of winning,
an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play."
Finite and Infinite Games, James Carse

  snowman22

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1/05/14 10:09:22 PM#28

why does no one ever do the math, for one toon, f2p and unlocking what you need will always be cheaper then buying game at launch price plus 3 months of subs, every time!

 

and you never feel the need to rush or play all the time to get your moneys worth

  Wighty

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1/05/14 10:26:29 PM#29

This is not rocket science SOE is changing this for their next iteration of games coming out.

 

SOE no longer offers 2x 3x SC and now they are no longer giving away SC for subbing. If you are an active participant in any or all of the titles this is not necessarily a bad thing... You are getting $20 a month worth of SC for a game per month as opposed to $5 worth.

 

Remember all games prior to PS2 have been designed as Sub games first and THEN changing to a cash shop model.

 

Their new games EQ N and EQ NL are designed from the ground up as a F2P model so giving away SC that can likely be applied to future titles is a bad financial move for them.

 

I have 50k SC banked as I have been an active All-Access subscriber for years and took advantage of the 2x/3x offers when they were available... I only hope at this point they don't change currency models for the future titles as I am a supporter of SOE and look forward to playing them.

 

Face it kids... this is smart business on their part to protect their future revenue stream and also offers ACTIVE players a fair compensation of $20 value to spend (use it or lose it) as opposed to a $5 accumulation.

 

On that note I may likely cancel my All Access due to low activity in their current offering.

What are your other Hobbies?

Gaming is Dirt Cheap compared to this...

  User Deleted
1/05/14 11:24:50 PM#30
I think most people saw this coming.  It's why I will never invest in a game that's "free" to play.  Give me a sub, so I know what to expect, both in what I pay and what I get.  With F2P, it's all smoke and mirrors.
  Ravenwolfie

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1/05/14 11:37:06 PM#31
Originally posted by snowman22

why does no one ever do the math, for one toon, f2p and unlocking what you need will always be cheaper then buying game at launch price plus 3 months of subs, every time!

 

and you never feel the need to rush or play all the time to get your moneys worth

Most EQ2 players have way more than one toon.

  Hokie

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Hey Devs, just so you know. The more you give us to play with, the more we play.

1/05/14 11:55:27 PM#32

As a Planet Side 2 player all its done in guarantee that when I take a break from playing I'll just cancel my sub. Then reactivate it when Im ready to jump into the game again. Which is usually 3 months on, 2 months off.

So they kinda fucked themselves out of a $30 sub in my case. Which adds up to like $90 a year, stupid if you ask me. I liked the fact that when I'd log in after a hiatus I'd have 1k to 1.5K of Station Cash waiting for me.

No reason to give them $15 when Im on a break if I dont get something back for it.

 

Ohh and for those of you too ignorant to understand whats coming down the road, I'll let you in on a little secret.

Expect to see items on sale for 2200 or 2500 Station Cash. You know, so you are forced into spending some of your own money to take advantage of that great deal.

There is no way they are going to go from giving $5 to $20 worth of Station Cash unless they get something out of it by doing so.

"I understand that if I hear any more words come pouring out of your **** mouth, Ill have to eat every fucking chicken in this room."

  aspekx

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OP  1/06/14 12:38:39 AM#33

that's part of the problem as well, this SC voucher can NOT be added to SC you already have or purchase. it's a voucher for ONE item that costs 2000SC or less.

 

no bundled items so the Heritage Armor sets are out as well as any bundle sets of decorating items. (whether you like it or not EQ2 consists of two audiences: decorators and raiders.)

 

so let's review here:

Subscribers get to 

1. move their AA slider

2. use the Broker

3. use the mail

4. slight xp bump

5. slight mounted speed bump (which at 10 years in you can imagine how meaningless that is.)

6. 7 character slots free

 

and that's pretty much it. as long as an F2P'r buys the xpacs they get everything that a subscriber does.

 

which is why i agree with an earlier post here and it's something ive said before: they don't want your sub anymore. they believe they have found the goose that lays the golden egg, ie., Cash Shop run games.

 

this is why EQN/L is not going to have a sub, as pointed out earlier in the thread, it's also why PS2 did not have a sub. they really are looking to nickel and dime their playerbase as the best means to monetize their game portfolio.

 

(do you remember that nice little harvesting tool that you get with your Alpha EQL package? you bought that. do you really think they won't be selling something even better down the line? and if the Cash Shop is the only means of dealing with the game then you can bet they are going to push the envelope of P2Win as close as they think they can get away with.)

 

i will be surprised if subs survive past 2015 and the launch of EQN.

 

i read a quote on here once a number of years ago i believe in which Smedley stated that he wanted SOE to move in the direction of F2P for all of their games. well here it is.

 

here's the problem: i have never had any opposition to F2P games, until now. i have played F2P games, ones which let you grind out points ingame or purchase them (Turbine), and ones that simply have a cash shop and you pay up front, as well as the Rift style where even the free gamers get little rewards for logging in every day and where some items are still solely accessible through gameplay (mounts and such).

 

SOE believes they are opening their games up to a wider audience, and they may very well succeed in that, but i think i am beginning to see the edge of an upcoming pushback by consumers against their model of F2P payment.

"There are at least two kinds of games.
One could be called finite, the other infinite.
A finite game is played for the purpose of winning,
an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play."
Finite and Infinite Games, James Carse

  Ridelynn

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1/06/14 12:59:03 AM#34

I don't think this is an attack against the subscription.

This may have something to do with upcoming EQN/EQL, but I doubt that even, as those aren't even in full Beta yet, and we won't see EQL out and about as a released product for months yet.

What this is about is the people who horde SC then blow it when the big sales are on. I know a lot of people in EQ1 that just wait for big bag bundles to go on sale (like they were recently for the holidays), then unload their SC wad getting a bunch of them at once at a discount. With the new method, this won't work - you can't get a bundle in the first place, and the biggest bags are usuallyjust over 2000 SC even when on sale.

I do tend to agree, in a few months time, we'll see the really desirable stuff going for just over 2000 SC (or, in the case of bags, it already is), to make sure you have to dig into your wallet.

All in all, I don't really mind anyway - the change probably will have me buying more junk from the SC Store - just because I have to use or lose the credit, and a couple of free XP pots or so a month I won't just throw away. But it won't have me spending cash any more cash on SC.

  Maelzrael

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I like games.

1/06/14 1:13:49 AM#35
This is why I'll be in Wildstar instead of EqN. SoE has proven time and time again that they are all about making money and care little for what makes the players happy. Until Swtor, I considered they're FTP model the worst one available. They just seem really greedy and they ruined Swg. :P

  Rekindle

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1/20/14 6:22:56 AM#36
Originally posted by Maelzrael
This is why I'll be in Wildstar instead of EqN. SoE has proven time and time again that they are all about making money and care little for what makes the players happy. Until Swtor, I considered they're FTP model the worst one available. They just seem really greedy and they ruined Swg. :P

 

SOE time and time again has proven themselves to be a good AAA game provider. Get over the r@#$@# swg thing already. All of the companies ONLY care about making money.  You think they want to be your friend? 

 

Measure the game on its quality and whether their sub options work for you or not but to suggest SOE is a bad company because they are seeking profits is an antiquated statement.  You want to see crap games? Look at half the Asian grinders advertised on this site.

  Nadia

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1/20/14 6:31:58 AM#37

regarding what Op posted,

Smed revised what will happen with subs  (for the better)

https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/index.php?threads/2014-membership-update-from-smed.166604/

 

  DamonVile

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1/20/14 6:36:36 AM#38
Why don't people ever just read the official post about it instead of going all chicken little about a change ?

There's a saying about evolution and why we have two eyes and two ears but only one mouth. Clearly it didn't see the internet coming or it never would have given us ten fingers to type with.

  cheyane

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1/20/14 6:41:15 AM#39

What is with this jumping all over the bandwagon and not even reading or checking things properly so tired of these drama queens.

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  Po_gg

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1/20/14 7:00:51 AM#40
Originally posted by DamonVile
Why don't people ever just read the official post about it instead of going all chicken little about a change ?
Originally posted by cheyane

What is with this jumping all over the bandwagon and not even reading or checking things properly so tired of these drama queens.

Lol.

While I only posted once in it, about how the change will affect DCUO (so a bit offtopic), and with it I'm not the most suited person to step up in the other's defenses, this jumping all over the bandwagon comment was hilarious :)

 

This thread ran after the first letter. There were two Smed statements after the posts in this thread, where SOE changed the initial plan, in some parts exactly due to threads like this all over the web. (he even said "Thanks for the feedback. We listened.")

So, obviously this thread couldn't reflected to those changes, since it was stopped by that time. You maybe missed the necroing, and just jumped onto the bandwagon of commenting :)

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